Skip to comments.Bush and I in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron from 1970 to 1971. (my title)
Posted on 08/24/2004 3:06:29 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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Didn't think an open letter from a citizen is against posting rules. I tried to include the link, but was only allowed to excerpt. I'll try again if this is a problem.
Wow! God bless you, Col. CAMPENNI! Thank you for speaking up.
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This sounds familiar; is it from a while back? Do you have a link?
Bump for later read
I would like the link, as I want to send it to others and I want them to know that this is authoritative. Thanks!
Gee, I didn't know that Bush flew with the New York Air National Guard.
Thanks for posting this great personal observation by: COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired)
U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard
Besides, in the cold war against the USSR, interception of Soviet bombers was a primary mission of our military. Viet Nam was not the only war going on in 1971: the cold war was also very very real.
Good God you have the eyes of a Hawk, I had to squint really hard to read that ... good catch though!
Anyone know which ribbons Bush is wearing in that photo?
So what you are saying Colonel, is that Lt. Bush was AWOL? </MSM mindmeld>
The first one is the Air Force Citation ribbon. I am uncertain about the second without a color picture.
Thanks for the link.
Several months ago I called this gentleman and spoke to him. He is 100% legit.
This is a repost of a letter that was on FR in the Feb time frame.
Oops, should have done a more thorough search. Still, because it is a open letter, and therefore I believe public domain, I posted the entire letter.
Luke Skywalker's FRIENDS strike back!
I heard Kerry saying today that he enlisted in the Navy, that unlike Bush, he volunteered. Well, Kerry enlisted in the NAVAL RESERVES, which is just like the Army and Air Force NATIONAL GUARD. The only problem for Kerry was that he was activated after he completed OCS while Bush was not. So if Bush joined the National Guard to "get out of serving", so did Kerry.
The one on the left is the Air Force Outstanding Unit Award. The one on the right appears to be the Expert Marksmanship Ribbon, but it's hard to tell for sure without seeing the colors.
I do suggest that everyone go back to the original post to read the commentary from our first go around on the subject though. I also recommend a visit to the aerospaceweb.org link in #17, repeated here for your convenience: Q and A- F-102, Vietnam & George W. Bush
The National Guard was a refuge from Viet Nam duty for many. That's the way it was. That doesn't mean everyone joining the National Guard sought an easy pass. Many did though. It was a way to dodge military service in Viet Nam during the Viet Nam War for the sons of the well connected and college graduates. Like marriage and having children, college was given a deferment only while attending and maintaining passing marks. They could be drafted, but it seldom occurred. Single men not attending college were much more likely to be drafted.
Only GW Bush knows what was on his mind during this period. I sure don't. Repeating again that I was one of four brothers that escaped the draft by the only means that was respectable. We enlisted directly into the armed forces. We have wartime issues with both John Kerry and GW Bush.
I'd prefer to see the Viet Nam era put behind us and get down to the issues of today. Time is short and there are too many major issues not being discussed.
Thanks for the ping Tonk.
The F-102 in question is a static display aircraft at Ellington Field, Houston Texas. It was placed on display in honor of then Gov Bush after he was elected Gov. Static display aircraft are provided by the Air Force out of storage areas, its the same intercepter that the President flew while assigned to the 111 FIS in the early 70's.
Quick, send this to Christine Matthews. He challenged anyone, ANYONE! to provide someone who could support Dubya's military record.
That's 2 Christine! No wonder your show is the bottom of the barrel of cable TV - all TV in fact.
He still looks like a wiseass pilot.
Time is short and there are too many major issues not being discussed.
The most important one for me is CHARACTER. Or don't you think that is an important item to be discussed?
Air Force Outstanding Unit Award, and Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon.
This is exactly the reason people are questioning Kerry pushing his four months in Viet Nam. What about what's on the plate today, Mr. Kerry? He doesn't want to talk about his record or his plan after he is elected. That is the whole problem.
Thank you so much for linking that! I had missed it before. Off to mark it for future reference.
"Single seaters" are all like that.
Question: Did George Bush have a nick name? Pilots do that don't they? What was his?
"I'd prefer to see the Viet Nam era put behind us and get down to the issues of today."
NOT until Kerry answers for his actions AFTER he came back.
Kerry reached out to Robert "Friar Tuck" Brant Cdr., USN (RET) Sunday night 8/22/04,
just hours after former Sen. Bob Dole publicly challenged Kerry to apologize to veterans.
Brant was skipper of the #96 and # 36 boat and spent time with Kerry in Anm Thoi.
Kerry and Brant slept in the same quarters,
and Brant used to put Kerry back to be at night when Kerry was sleepwalking.
KERRY: "Why are all these swift boat guys opposed to me?"
BRANT: "You should know what you said when you came back,
the impact it had on the young sailors
and how it was disrespectful of our guys that were killed over there.
[Brant had two men killed in battle.]
KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in '92,
I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties,
I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."
ROT IN HELL HANOI KERRY!
The New Soldier by John Kerry and Vietnam Veterans Against the War
FREE Download of The New Soldier by John Kerry
and and Vietnam Veterans Against the War
Print and distibute the book that John Kerry "forgets" to mention!
The one book he refuses to bring up.
"honor" John Kerry
Help America know what a "hero" he was at the Winter Soldier
scam he and Jane Fonda pulled on the USA when he came home.
Make sure Kerry "fans" get their copy!
"Phony Vietnam veterans alleged in books
Guenter Lewy's 1978 book America in Vietnam (pages 316-317) and B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley's Stolen Valor (Verity Press, Inc., Dallas, Texas)(pages 113, 131-137) contain similar information about alleged flaws in Lane's book. Neither book, however, refutes any of the testimony given during the Winter Soldier Investigation.
Lawyer and leftist activist Mark Lane was one of the organizers of Winter Soldier. In 1970, Lane had published a book called Conversations With Americans purporting to be interviews with Vietnam veterans about war crimes, containing Vietnam tales of atrocities. Reporter Neil Sheehan showed some interviewed in Lane's book had never served in Vietnam and others had not been in the situations they described. Lane admitted he did not check military records, as confirmation of details was not relevant. Lane later confirmed these militarty records.
The following are often falsely listed as being participants in Winter Soldier, but were actually in Lane's book instead. This confusion is probably due to Stolen Valor having an explanation of Lane's history within the section on Winter Soldier.
Chuck Onan, stock room clerk in Beaufort, S.C.
Michael Schneider, deserted in Europe and deserted again in the USA.
Terry Whitmore, was in an unpopulated area of Vietnam.
Garry Gianninoto, medical corpsman at battalion headquarters.
VVAW leader and Winter Soldier co-organizer Al Hubbard lied about being an officer, and sustaining war injuries - but he never testified at Winter Soldier .
According to the investigative work of Burkett, Lewy and others, there were many imposters, liars, and plain nutjobs who infiltrated the ranks of the anti-war movement, and, in some cases, testified to war crimes and atrocities that never occurred in order to get attention, sympathy, and, in one documented case, medals and honors."
Haha, You caught that too!