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Transcripts of captured US POW's in N. Vietnam, brought back by VVAW during visit to Hanoi
FBI Files, Winter soldier ^ | From FBI files on VVAW

Posted on 08/24/2004 5:32:45 PM PDT by stockpirate

There are about 10-15 letters that the Vietnam Veterans Against the War brought back from North Vietnam. The letters were written by American POW's.

Reading these letters makes one wonder what they endured before doing what they were told.

And Kerry and the VVAW gave their captors what these men bled to not give them.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aidandcomfort; elections; kerry; sbv; torture; vietnam; vvaw; waronterror
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The link will take you to the doument the text starts on page 173. If you back up to about 165 there is some interesting information there.
1 posted on 08/24/2004 5:32:47 PM PDT by stockpirate
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To: stockpirate
Kerry owes these men apology
2 posted on 08/24/2004 5:35:29 PM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; BykrBayb; LakeLady; bridgemanusa; Darksheare; Dr Snide; faithincowboys; ..

ping


3 posted on 08/24/2004 5:36:18 PM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: stockpirate
I can hardly wait for the Swifties to bring out the file film of Adm Denton using his eyes to blink out "TOURTURE" in Morse Code right in front of his NVA guards/assailants and then have the Adm come on and talk about Kerry. Now that would leave a mark.
4 posted on 08/24/2004 5:43:37 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: stockpirate

Thanks for the ping!


5 posted on 08/24/2004 5:52:21 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: SandRat

Please explain this story...


6 posted on 08/24/2004 6:02:01 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: SandRat
Let's not forget that there are probably POW's that were never returned and kerry has assisted in keeping them prisoners.
7 posted on 08/24/2004 6:06:10 PM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: stockpirate
Kerry owes these men apology

Kerry owes the dead ones even more than that.

8 posted on 08/24/2004 6:06:56 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom ("Anyone who calls Moore a Dumb $#$@$ is okay with me." -areafiftyone)
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To: Jewels1091
IF you're speaking of the now Admiral Denton (Ret.) I can tell you a little about that and I'm sure other Freepers can tell even more. Basiclly the NVA and VC made what was shown about aBu-Ghareb look like childs play.

If you're speaking of the story posted the Hanoi Jane crowd went to North Vietnam and their "hosts" made the POWs in the "Hanoi Hilton" write letters for the Hanoi Jane crowd to bring back read the letters carefully and search for meanings between the lines. It had to be that way as the NVA had to "approve" the letters before letting the POWs give them to the Hanoi Jane crowd. Kerry was and still is a part of that crowd.
9 posted on 08/24/2004 6:10:44 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Too bad some of these men can't have a face to face with spoiled little jane and tell her what her actions brought upon their bodies....


10 posted on 08/24/2004 6:12:51 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: proudofthesouth

Still believe there are several still there.
There are several known POWs that never made it home, and there is no accounting for them. Then we have the MIAs.
Most Communist governements are paranoid and use people as pawns. There are still quite a few missing WWII vets that the Russians were "holding" for us till the end of the war.
North Korea is even more paranoid.
The whole document should be required reading in High School.
I know I won't sleep well tonight having read most of it. I had forgotten how bad things in the US were back then.


11 posted on 08/24/2004 6:13:14 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (Kerry is Toast du Francai')
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To: proudofthesouth
ooh,.... good point! Plausible deny-ability as the witness can't be cross examined. Does that sound a little Clintonesque?
12 posted on 08/24/2004 6:13:18 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: stockpirate; Dawn_USAF; CheneyChick; ODC-GIRL; The Sailor; kjfine; Old Sarge; USAF_TSgt; ...

Traitor Kerry PING


13 posted on 08/24/2004 6:16:00 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: All

Kerry reached out to Robert "Friar Tuck" Brant Cdr., USN (RET) Sunday night 8/22/04,
just hours after former Sen. Bob Dole publicly challenged Kerry to apologize to veterans.

Brant was skipper of the #96 and # 36 boat and spent time with Kerry in Anm Thoi.
Kerry and Brant slept in the same quarters,
and Brant used to put Kerry back to be at night when Kerry was sleepwalking.

http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc98.htm

KERRY: "Why are all these swift boat guys opposed to me?"

BRANT: "You should know what you said when you came back,
the impact it had on the young sailors
and how it was disrespectful of our guys that were killed over there.

[Brant had two men killed in battle.]

KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in '92,

I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties,

I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."

ROT IN HELL HANOI KERRY!

The New Soldier by John Kerry and Vietnam Veterans Against the War

FREE Download of The New Soldier by John Kerry
and and Vietnam Veterans Against the War

Print and distibute the book that John Kerry "forgets" to mention!

The one book he refuses to bring up.

"honor" John Kerry

Help America know what a "hero" he was at the Winter Soldier
scam he and Jane Fonda pulled on the USA when he came home.

Make sure Kerry "fans" get their copy!


http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Inro.pdf
http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier.pdf
http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Epilogue.pdf


14 posted on 08/24/2004 6:17:37 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree, sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: Jewels1091

he-he-he, a while back when she was trying to get her workout togs into some of the major chains she just couldn't get any of them to pick up her line. Turned out some of the buyers that actually made the decisions were Nam vets - or so the story goes.


15 posted on 08/24/2004 6:20:06 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: All

Here's some pertinent kerry history!!!!

Below is excerpted statements to Congress, 22 April, 1971 by Lt. John F. Kerry USNR(Inactive Reserve Status).



"Mr. KERRY. My feeling, Senator, is undoubtedly this Congress, and I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but I do not believe that this Congress will, in fact, end the war as we would like to, which is immediately and unilaterally and, therefore, if I were to speak I would say we would set a date and the date obviously would be the earliest possible date. But I would like to say, in answering that, that I do not believe it is necessary to stall any longer. I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."

Furhter paired down to:

"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points..."(kerry and his VVAW negotiated in Paris with the then enemy.)

Stated by kerry to Our U.S. Congress which is in the Official Congressional Record, 22 April, 1971.

I'll let ALL of you think your own thoughts about this, however, I cannot for the life of me, picture kerry in any elected office, never mind being Commander in Chief!!!!

Why kerry was not indicted, tried and convicted for Treason and Sedition under the appropriate Articles, We will never know.

The Media SHAMELESSLY hides this TRUTH(In the Congressional Record, dated 22 April, 1971) from the Public!!!! They are equally Treasonous and Seditionous as kerry is!!!!This Blatant Example of the media shows that we no longer have a FREE and TRUTHFUL Press(Straight ALL the Way LEFT of Center)!!!!

kerry had his VVAW which led to the deaths of thousands or hundreds of thousands of deaths in Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia after he and his VVAW accomplished their mission in getting U.S. withdrawal in South Viet Nam. kerry and his VVAW forever tarnished the image of U.S. Viet Nam Vets!!!!

The Democratic Party is no longer the Democratic Party!!!! For them to select kerry and his two forunners Clinton and Gore show they have become the party of our enemies!!!!

We cannot ALLOW this to STAND!!!!

Defender2

Some More Interesting historical news about kerry:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091943/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1160580/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1165078/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1181426/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1181954/posts

Some of kerry's friends listed below:

http://www.cpusa.org/

http://www.dsausa.org/

DSA's "Progressive Caucus" Links below:

http://bernie.house.gov/pc/

http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp

They are the Enemy Within!!!!

I have at least one or two interesting posts about said such subject matter, below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1165983/posts

And see:

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

More: Communist Party Backs the RATS!!!! below:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1171176/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1172055/posts


More!!!! Socialists(DSA) backs kerry!!!! Below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1179854/posts

More of the Enemy within!!!!

Even More!!!! Red China Backs kerry!!!! See Below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1180437/posts


Avoid the Socialists/Communists backed johns(not capitolised on purpose) like the Plague!!!!

Flush the Socialists/Communists/Enemies Loving johns(Prince johns wanting to be King johns) down the john!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh!!!! And Two More:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1192105/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1191742/posts

D2

P.S.
CNN = Communists News Network!!!!
MSNBC = Matthews Sucks Nothing But Communists!!!!
CNBC = Communists, Nothing But Communists!!!!
NBC = Nothing But Communists!!!!
CBS = Communists Bull Sh*t!!!!
ABC = ALL Bullsh*t Communists!!!!
BBC = Bill's Bullsh*t Communists!!!!
TBS = TASS Bull Sh*t!!!!
PBS = Pravda Bull Sh*t!!!!
C-SPAN1 = Communists-Socialists Aided Network #1
C-SPAN2 = Communists-Socialists Aided Network #2
Al Jazeera = Global Terrorists Media Outlet Network

Fairweather whichever way the wind blows(like kerry, o'reilly) FOX sometimes rocks!!!!

The Mighty Maja Rushie, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity RULE the Airwaves!!!!

D2


16 posted on 08/24/2004 6:21:51 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

ole Yellow Stain! He ran, the only PB of several that did, and then came back. Even the WashPost says so with a diagram no less.


17 posted on 08/24/2004 6:22:04 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: stockpirate

Are you telling me.... you are telling me... that those (un-nameable) ...actually went to North Viet Nam, who was, being funded by communist Russia, at the time, I just read that on another site.... that they went to N. Vietnam to get and bring back letters from American soldiers in prisoner of war camps? This is so outrageously horrible.... my blood pressure is way up, I know. Why, can't we get this out? why????


18 posted on 08/24/2004 6:22:06 PM PDT by onyx eyes
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To: stockpirate
Oh Geez!

I had forgotten about those letters. I read them when the VVAW brought them back and they were published someplace, I can't recall.

I don't even want to see them again. They were horrible and gave me nightmares thinking about what they must have endured.

Kerry must go down hard!

19 posted on 08/24/2004 6:23:40 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: onyx eyes
Why, can't we get this out? why????

Because academia has been fully infiltrated by communists and they've been really successful in indoctrinating their prodigy.

20 posted on 08/24/2004 6:25:14 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; PhilDragoo; Ragtime Cowgirl; Cindy; SusanTK; AdmSmith; Valin; ...





Want to join in the fun? Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!

21 posted on 08/24/2004 6:30:00 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: stockpirate

22 posted on 08/24/2004 6:52:44 PM PDT by T Minus Four (http://www.anbg.gov.au/flags/semaphore.html)
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To: T Minus Four; stockpirate

Oops, that last aimed at Kerry.


23 posted on 08/24/2004 6:54:15 PM PDT by T Minus Four (http://www.anbg.gov.au/flags/semaphore.html)
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To: stockpirate

These letters are very hard to read. My stomach is so knotted up. My eyes are so full of tears. I keep having to take breaks from it.


24 posted on 08/24/2004 6:57:04 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: stockpirate

I found an interesting page, as you said I would. Thanks much. I saved it to file.


25 posted on 08/24/2004 6:58:15 PM PDT by onyx eyes
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To: proudofthesouth
Let's not forget that there are probably POW's that were never returned and kerry has assisted in keeping them prisoners.

Yes, that involves Kerry's harsh words and actions against the MIA groups that lobbied for government action to find thier missing soldiers..
Kerry accused them of being "publicity hounds"... and worse...

It is my hope that the Swift Boat Vets, POW's et al., will create an ad concerning this aspect of John F'n Kerry's Senate career as well..

26 posted on 08/24/2004 7:11:21 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: YaYa123; Interesting Times; stockpirate; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; PhilDragoo; Ragtime Cowgirl; ...
 

See this page for very interesting audio / video. Files on left of page are revealing in the context of the antiwar movement. Video files are large. Right click to download, for viewing and study.

http://www.viet-myths.net/homepage.htm

Examining the Myths of the Vietnam War

A Conference,
under the auspices of The RADIX Foundation,
which took place at Simmons College,
300 The Fenway, Boston MA, 26-29 July 2004


http://www.viet-myths.net/sessionlist.htm
List of Sessions
1 0900-1045 26 Jul Keynote Address Denton (video)
2 1100-1245 26 Jul Hollywood and the Vietnam War Lanning
3 1330-1515 26 Jul Winter Soldier Investigation Swett
4 1530-1715 26 Jul The Real Vietnam Veteran Burkett
5 1800-2100 26 Jul From Vietnam to Iraq Sherman
6 0830-1015 27 Jul War Stories I – The View from the Field Sherman
7 1030-1215 27 Jul War Stories II – The View from HQ McLeroy et al
8 1315-1500 27 Jul The So-called “Anti-War” Movement Friedman
9 1515-1700 27 Jul PTSD, Agent Orange, and Race Hopewell/Spey
10 1800-2100 27 Jul Teach In -- 2004 Taylor
11 0830-1015 28 Jul The Aftermath in SE Asia Turner
12 1030-1215 28 Jul The Culpability of the Media Droge/Willey
13 1315-1500 28 Jul Teaching the Vietnam War Laurie et al
14 1515-1700 28 Jul POW/MIA issue – Fact, Fiction and Spin Bell/Veith
15 1800-2100 28 Jul The Vietnamese Point of View SE Asian Community
16 0830-1015 29 Jul The Legacy of the Vietnam War Lomperis
17 1030-1215 29 Jul The Myth of the Returning Warrior Sherman



27 posted on 08/24/2004 7:35:26 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: All
I read these letters from the Winter Soldier page link to the FBI PDF document. Those letters were nothing more than pure propaganda written by the NVA captors. The people in VVAW should have been shot for treason.

There is a lot of interesting stuff in that document, in fact enough to warrant a separate thread that I plan to begin in a few minutes. Please look for it.
28 posted on 08/24/2004 8:18:08 PM PDT by AaronInCarolina
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To: stockpirate

Print out and wear as a Campaign Button or go HERE to print.

29 posted on 08/24/2004 8:20:21 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All
Hey Tonk! Did you just see him on Comedy Central's Jon Stewart's Daily Show?

Unreal.

Rebroadcast tonight midnight on Comedy Central. Also again tomorrow, probably at 6 pm Cebtral time tomorrow (Wed.)
Easterners and Westerners - figure out time zones, lol)

Rather funny, ain't it. Kerry shows up after all the hoopla - on a self-proclaimed FAKE news show? 20 year olds in the audience applauding Kerry. Well, I for think young voters should for sure vote! However, if young voters think Jon Stewart's program is for real, heaven help us all. I watch it for the laughs. Yes, I know he is for sure LIBERAL. But, I still get a laugh occasionally.


LOL! I'm laughing myself to sleep tonight!
30 posted on 08/24/2004 8:51:00 PM PDT by JLO
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping!


31 posted on 08/24/2004 10:09:26 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!!!


32 posted on 08/25/2004 3:10:19 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: onyx eyes

FBI files indicate the VVAW was funded by the Communist Party of America, and by the Communist party of a country in Europe!


33 posted on 08/25/2004 3:55:44 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: onyx eyes; BykrBayb

go to page 190 of the link for the letters and it is the meeting in KC where they planned to assassinate 7 US sentors.


34 posted on 08/25/2004 3:58:55 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: stockpirate

Bump


35 posted on 08/25/2004 4:00:41 AM PDT by The Mayor (God gives grace for this life and glory in the life to come.)
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To: stockpirate

AS a nation where free speech is (supposed) to be permitted -- why cant we have a copy of this circulated in the mainstream internet? Or somewhere? We have to fight back -- George Soros and co. are determined to take our government out from under us and make us bound to his philosophies or his cause as probably a slave to the communist party still in existance from the KBG.


36 posted on 08/25/2004 6:26:19 AM PDT by onyx eyes
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To: onyx eyes

We do have free speech, that does not mean that the opposing press is going to write what we want them to. It also doe not mean we have a right to be heard. If people don't want to hear the truth we cannot make them listen, but there is a price to be paid, loss of liberty.


37 posted on 08/25/2004 6:41:22 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: stockpirate

Like right about now, this morning on CNN, (I don't watch CNN, just graze to see what the stations are doing) -- they have the "news" that Sen. Max Clelland is hauling 8 or 9 senators and vets out to Crawford to hand a letter to Pres. Bush to sign, to get the Swifties off the air. Stock, I have to get back to work (in my home, tho) -- but if you can tell the others to watch. Like, today, also, there is a news story about a lawyer that helps the bush campaign, then -- in the lower middle of the article, finally says that "although Kerry has a number of lawyers who are helping his campaign, as well as giving advice to the moveon.org. and the other kerry PACs." This is grossly unfair. help me spread the word to our fellow freepers, please.


38 posted on 08/25/2004 8:02:03 AM PDT by onyx eyes
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To: stockpirate
Nice find.
39 posted on 08/25/2004 8:06:27 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

go to page 190, it is very interesting.


40 posted on 08/25/2004 8:09:44 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: ProudVet77

Which document are you referring to? Haven't there been a couple of books written on this topic? I think I have one of them but have yet to read it because I know it will infuriate me and make me extremely ill.


41 posted on 08/25/2004 6:55:11 PM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: onyx eyes

Worse than those letters, were the ones slipped to Jane, from the prisoners. They slipped her some notes to give to their families....Jane turned the notes over to the VC!


42 posted on 08/29/2004 10:11:17 PM PDT by tuckrdout (I am here because abortion use to be illegal.)
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To: proudofthesouth

I have not forgotten.

Full disclosure:
I did not serve in Vietnam.
No one I knew served in Vietnam.
No one I knew protested Vietnam.

But I think we should turn Kerry & crew over to
the Israelis just to "make 'em talk" (<-- troll bait.)

Hey, if Kerry & co. can turn over our safety &
sovereignty to the UN, why can't we ask for help
from an ally in the War on Terror? After all,
we don't wanna be 'unilateral'. (<-- purina troll chow)

Kerry is lying slime. We should pick up the rock he
crawled out from and see who else is scurrying around
under it. Like half the Democratic Party & MSM (TM)

Please read tag line before responding!


43 posted on 08/29/2004 10:23:52 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

And to think, I never thought we would see worse demorats than Bubba and Hitlery. Now we have this $#@$%^&**%@#@ kerry! On the other hand, Hitlery will proably be the worst of the worst if she ever gets the nomination.


44 posted on 08/30/2004 5:32:47 PM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: onyx eyes

I was nothing more than a little kid and can remember what Hanoi Jane did. I may not remember exact name and dates but as each story is brought to the fore front something else gets triggered.

I had one teacher even then who thought Jane Fonda walked on water and made it a daily current events assignment to find 1 article on her to show us that America is not always right and that we should have never been in Vietnam. I hated that women then and I hate her now. That was the only class I got an F in for refusing to believe my own brother was what she was spouting off.


45 posted on 08/30/2004 5:42:37 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: proudofthesouth

Nooooo. We're going to not have a Democrat Party, anymore. We're going to work together to rid ourselves of this scourge. Then, the remaining party will toe the line, or it too will be replaced or gone.
(in case you wonder, this is just one of the ideas of how we can improve our government and have a say in our affairs.)


46 posted on 08/30/2004 8:27:53 PM PDT by onyx eyes
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To: stockpirate

VFW Magazine Feb 2004

Season still open on Vietnam vets - Now hear this: brief news items of interest to veterans and their families
In total contrast to Time's Person of the Year, veterans of the Vietnam War are still Hollywood's all-purpose villains. Instead of praise, they are vilified in Tinsel Town. TNT's Word of Honor, which aired in December, came up with a preposterous plot where a 1st Cavalry Division infantry squad in February 1972 massacres the French medical staff of a Red Cross hospital near Hue.

The producers managed to dredge up every negative stereotype about Vietnam, including My Lai, drugs, rape, suicide, violent rage, long hair, mutiny and mayhem. One of their own described the men in his unit as "neanderthals washed up as the dregs of society for the Army." The unit's CO was called a "disgrace and dishonor to the Army" by a current day officer.

Their defense for committing this "crime against humanity" was temporary insanity: The men did not believe in the war and had "lost their minds for their country" for one day, according to Hollywood's skewed script.

In a like-minded manner, newspapers have emphasized a 1967 atrocity. Headlines screamed: "Rogue GIs Unleashed Wave of Terror in Central Highlands," "Elite U.S. Unit Killed Hundreds of Vietnamese Civilians," "Slaughter in Vietnam Reported" and "Vietnam War Atrocities Weren't Punished." A New York Times story appeared Dec. 28.

On the upside, B.G. "Jug" Burkett, author of the 1998 book Stolen Valor, was recognized for countering such disparaging stories. He received the Army's Distinguished Civilian Service Award from former President George H.W. Bush at the Bush Library in College Station, Texas. "The people who served in Vietnam are the finest troops we ever produced," Burkett said.

VFW Magazine
March 2003

A `long way home' for the truth about Vietnam veterans: for two Vietnam veteran film producers, the quest to convey the facts about vets of that war has become their personal crusade. But those in the "mainstream" media are determined to perpetuate the negative stereotypes - award-winning documentary television series deals with the Vietnam War
Susan Katz Keating
Shortly after receiving a prestigious international award last year for producing a documentary television series, three Colorado-based filmmakers thought that our nation was finally ready to hear their message about the Vietnam War and its veterans.

"For too long, America has been given a distorted view about Vietnam" says director Calvin Crane, whose four-part series, The Long Way Home Project, takes particular aim against negative misconceptions about Vietnam veterans. "We wanted to cut through the myth and the fantasy, and tell the truth after all these years."

Winning the highest award for a documentary television series at the 2002 Houston International Film Festival seemed like a turning point. "The award gave credibility," Crane says. "We thought, `This is great. Now we can get the message out.'"

Instead, Crane and his two Flickers Films partners--producer Christel Crane and executive producer Robert Martinez--encountered consistent rejection from television media buyers.

"Over and over again, the media gatekeepers told us the series was too positive," Martinez says, "They said we didn't have balance."

Imbalance of another type prompted the trio to produce their series.

Successful Vet the Norm

Martinez and Crane, who both served in Vietnam, came home from the war to a country that denigrated their service. Crane's wife, Christel, saw that same denigration applied to her father, also a Vietnam veteran.

As the years progressed, Martinez and the Cranes inwardly seethed as cultural views about Vietnam veterans solidified around a negative stereotype.

In society's eyes, the Vietnam veteran became a homeless misfit, so deeply scarred by his wartime experience that he could not lead a happy, productive life. Worse yet, society imagined the Vietnam veteran as a violent psychotic in the mold of Rambo, Sylvester Stallone's characterization of a deranged Vietnam veteran who turns his explosive rage on society.

Vietnam vets have long complained of the offensive misrepresentations.

"It's an insult to good people," says Brad Bradshaw, a Fairfax County, Va. magistrate who served as a navigator on board an AC-130 gunship over Vietnam. "To make us out as crazed animals--that's just wrong."

Veterans also have long known the truth about their own.

Jan Scruggs, founder of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C., points but that Vietnam veterans are among the most successful members of society. Their ranks include FBI Director Robert Mueller; AOL founder James Kimsey; and E*Trade CEO Christos Cotsakos.

"Veterans have succeeded in areas ranging from law enforcement to the clergy," Scruggs says. "The successful veteran is the norm." And yet, he adds: "The image of the troubled Vietnam vet pervades American popular culture."

In 1999, Calvin and Christel Crane--fed up by still another television show depicting negative views of the Vietnam veteran--decided to take action.

"We knew that someone had to speak the truth," says Crane. "So we decided to do it." On his first tour in Vietnam in 1968, Crane served as a photographer with the 4th Psychological Operations Group. Throughout 1969 until May 1970, he was a photojournalist assigned to MACV.

The couple scoured documents from the National Archives and Records Administration and other sources, and gathered statistics that proved what they instinctively knew: The Vietnam veteran is a stable, valuable member of society.

(Such statistics were compiled by the Houston Vietnam Veterans Leadership Program and read into the Congressional Record on Oct. 1, 1982.)

The Cranes found that as of 1985, for example, eight of every 10 Vietnam veterans were married to their first spouse. Of that number, 90% had children. Also in 1985, 30% of Vietnam veterans had attended college, as compared to 24% of their non-military peers. In 1994, the unemployment rate for all men over age 18 was 6%; for Vietnam veterans, the rate was 3.9%.

The Cranes compiled other eye-opening statistics. For example, in contrast to the myth perpetuated by Platoon (Oliver Stone's 1987 film) that servicemen in Vietnam indulged in murderous, dope-fueled misdeeds, the vast majority behaved admirably. Nearly all--97%--were honorably discharged from the service. Today, 90% who saw heavy combat say they are proud to have served.

Additionally, the Cranes found, the Rambo-inspired myth of the Vietnam veteran as criminal is pure fiction. Numerous studies have concluded that a statistically insignificant number of Vietnam veterans landed in prison after returning home.

Assembling the Team

Freshly motivated to puncture the stereotypes, the Cranes loaded their film equipment into a van and set off with their three children and dog on a 13,000 mile trek to find other Vietnam veterans. The Cranes planned to film the veterans, and to show them as the successful, well-integrated men that they are.

Along the way, the couple met Colorado businessman Bob Martinez, a Vietnam veteran who was distraught that his daughter's school had presented as fact the discredited Platoon. Martinez realized: "If we don't tell the truth, it's never going to get told."

Martinez worked out of Pleiku with the 4th Psychological Operations Group, assisting U.S. and South Vietnamese units from October 1969 to September 1970.

Martinez sold his construction company to help finance the project, becoming Flickers Films executive producer.

While on their travels, the filmmakers also encountered Pulitzer Prize-nominated historian and author Lewis Sorley, who in turn offered to help. Sorley put the Cranes in touch with some of the most noted figures of the Vietnam War. Soon, the Cranes were conducting interviews with the likes of James R. Schlesinger, the former defense secretary; Charles S. Whitehouse, who served as the United States ambassador to Vietnam; and retired Lt. Gen. William J. McCaffrey, who was deputy-commanding general of the Army in Vietnam from 1970-72.

"Talking to these people was quite something, to someone who served in the Army as an E-6," Crane says.

The interviews also were somewhat providential, Martinez says. "These noteworthy, credible participants are the last living people who can give testimony on what happened."

Significantly, Ambassador Whitehouse died about one month after being filmed.

Crane and company compiled their valuable archival footage into the series of four episodes.

Opposition Insists on Anti-War Perspective

The first episode, Men versus Myth, addresses misconceptions about men who served in Vietnam. The second part, How We Won the War, shows battlefield victories that are commonly portrayed as defeats. How We Lost the War depicts the Left's wartime betrayal of America. The fourth episode, The New Diaspora, shows the struggles of the Vietnamese people who were left to deal with the aftermath of their country's defeat by Communist forces.

The series earned high praise from historians and veterans alike. Former Persian Gulf War commander, retired Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, agreed to appear on camera as a host in the beginning segment of each episode.

In his introduction, Schwarzkopf says: "The Long Way Home Project will give all viewers a powerful new perspective on the events that shaped that war and the men who fought it."

But media buyers simply did not agree. They wanted the perspective of the North Vietnamese and the American anti-war protestors--a perspective the filmmakers say has been well presented.

"They've had their say," Martinez says. "But we have another story that needs to get out to the American public."

Opposition to Man versus Myth has been pronounced. Major cable outlets--PBS, CNN, The History Channel, Discovery, Questar and MSNBC--have been approached with similar results. The terms "balance" and "tone" often arise. One producer rejected it because the video was "too flag-waving."

Still, progress is being made. In addition to winning awards, project producers have garnered appearances on various news programs. The American Enterprise Institute sponsored a screening last Veterans Day and Our American Heritage Education Foundation includes the video set in its package distributed in high schools.

Such public exposure will help resolve the memory of Vietnam, what Christel Crane terms "the lump under the carpet of American history."

Says Calvin Crane: "We must have an accurate understanding of our own history, particularly the history of why we fight wars." Otherwise, he adds: "We can't move forward."

And then?

"Our endeavors will fail"

To learn more about this project, contact: Calvin A. Crane, The Long Way Home Project, P.O. Box 664, Castle Rock, CO 80104; (800) 945-2478.

SUSAN K. KEATING is director of special projects for the Freedom Museum in Manassas, Va. She also is author of Prisoners of Hope: Exploiting the POW/MIA Myth in America (1994).






47 posted on 08/30/2004 8:34:05 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: boxerblues

I know. And, there are more people like us, me and you, who have memories of those years, than the democrats even know of.


48 posted on 08/30/2004 8:35:42 PM PDT by onyx eyes
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To: Fedora

ping for 47, I thoght this may be of interest to you.


49 posted on 08/31/2004 1:31:41 AM PDT by stockpirate (Real issue is Kerry attended meeting where VVAW discussed killing 7 US Senators! 11/71)
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To: stockpirate

Thanks! Sounds like a movie I'd like to see.


50 posted on 08/31/2004 11:37:45 AM PDT by Fedora
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