Bill That Criminalizes Speaking Against Homosexuality Passes CA State Assembly

American Family Association ^ | Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:07 AM | Don Wildmon

[fuzzy122]

From: American Family Association
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:07 AM
To: *************
Subject: URGENT: Call Gov. Schwarznegger today to oppose SB 1234

Bill That Criminalizes Speaking Against Homosexuality Passes CA State Assembly

URGENT: Call Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Today To Oppose SB 1234!

Please call Governor Schwarzenegger TODAY - 916-445-2841 - and urge him not to sign SB 1234. Tell him that you believe all crimes should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law but SB 1234 could be interpreted by courts to make religious speech a crime if the "victim" considers it a threat. It is very important that Gov. Schwarzenegger's phone rings today!

Consider what has happened in Canada since passing a "hate crimes" law that includes gender. It is no longer permissible in Canada to speak critically about homosexuality over the airwaves. Even the quoting Scriptures that condemn homosexuality can be illegal in Canada because of "hate crime" legislation.

In Sweden a pastor was sentenced to 30 days in jail for preaching a sermon in which he taught that homosexuality is wrong. This was the first case in which Sweden's "hate speech" law was enforced against a church. During court proceedings, the public prosecutor played a tape recording from the sermon. According to the church newspaper, he justified the arrest by saying, "One may have whatever religion one wishes, but [ the sermon ] is an attack on all fronts against homosexuals. Collecting Bible [ verses ] on this topic as he does make this hate speech."

Under SB 1234, individuals could claim that someone expressing their sincerely held beliefs presents an "intimidating" threat, punishable under the law. Even various forms of peaceful conduct, such as prayer vigils outside abortion clinics, could potentially be considered a "threat of force."

SB 1234 has now been passed to the Governor's desk for his signature. It is very important that you call him today - 916-445-2841 - and ask him not to sign SB 1234 into law.

Please forward this important alert to all of your family members and friends in California and urge them to call TODAY - 916-445-2841.

Thanks,

Don

Don Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association +++++++++

[fuzzy122]

Alert to CA Freepers!

Stay Strong
Fuzzy

[Pyro7480]

Strike this down as unconstitutional if it passes!

[Bikers4Bush]

These attacks on the free speach of religions are alarming.

Eventually there will be a physical backlash against the gay activists, they have to realize that.

[stainlessbanner]

Even the quoting Scriptures that condemn homosexuality can be illegal in Canada because of "hate crime" legislation.

[ml/nj]

bad-news-for-you ping

[isthisnickcool]

The Fudgecicle Protection Act.

[goldstategop]

I love liberals. They're so honest in their contempt for the First Amendment. The next step will be to declare any criticism of liberal views a "hate crime."

[Unam Sanctam]

Where the heck are the ACLU and all those Lefties who say the Patriot Act is destroying our civil liberties?

[ladtx]

Bill That Criminalizes Speaking Against Homosexuality Passes CA State Assembly

Are their panties in a twist because Arnold already called them "girly-men"?

[GunnyHartman]

"Eventually there will be a physical backlash against the gay activists, they have to realize that."

There already is, it's called AIDS.

[dirtboy]

A rather interesting contradiction:

Existing law provides that no person, whether or not acting under color of law, shall by force or threat of force, willfully injure, intimidate, interfere with, oppress, or threaten any other person in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him or her by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States because of the other person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, gender, or sexual orientation, or because he/she perceives that the other person has one or more of those characteristics.

So if a gay doesn't like the words of a Christian against homosexuality - that person can feel threatened and charge that a hate crime was committed - but that action in turn deprives someone of the right of free speech because of their religion.

Fascinating.

[ItsOurTimeNow]

- Homosexual Agenda PING -

Here it comes...

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Strike this down as unconstitutional if it passes!

That's what everyone said about CFR.

[Puppage]

Bill That Criminalizes Speaking Against Homosexuality Passes CA State Assembly

WELCOME TO SWEDEN

Oh, and feel free to besmirch heterosexuals until the cows come home.

[TOUGH STOUGH]

WOW!!!!! This is terribly dangerous. I keep bumping this thread.

[Pyro7480]

Very true. What will it take for these oligarchs to get the picture that we don't tolerate this!?

[Brilliant]

California does not have the same love for freedom that the United States has.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Heck, they don't even need to feel threatened. They can just feel interferred with or oppressed. This should be a joke.

[Bikers4Bush]

I would agree for the most part but AIDS tends to be more specific to the male (such as it is) side of that community.

I was speaking more to the point that the suppression of the right to speak will result in physical confrontation.

[Joe 6-pack]

I guess the 12 heteros left in CA better really watch their backsides now!!

[elbucko]

Are their panties in a twist because Arnold already called them "girly-men"?

Yes. And if you saw the "Kalie-fourn-yah" legislature, you would see that the men wear panty-hose and the women shave their faces.

[johnb838]

I expect what's coming is a version of the bible that endorses homosexuality and fornication. And that will be the only "approved" version.

[GunnyHartman]

"I was speaking more to the point that the suppression of the right to speak will result in physical confrontation"

Agreed, and more hate crime arrests for normal folks that finally lose their cool.

[FourtySeven]

Eventually there will be a physical backlash against the gay activists, they have to realize that.

Nothing could work more to their advantage than that.

[Bikers4Bush]

Exactly.

[ApesForEvolution]

Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, Gay, GAY AMERICA!

All queer, all the time!

Just put some ice on that lip, America!

[bluebunny]

I guess old liberalterian Dick Cheney will come out in support of this bill. Can't be impeding on their precious freedom!

[Mach9]

Line's been busy . . .

[Bikers4Bush]

That all depends on whether or not it's viewed as people fighting for their right to free speech.

Regardless, I think that it's their intent to illicit that exact respone in order to have more laws passed to benefit only them.

[snarkytart]

I agree.

The US Supreme Court has already ruled before that "hate speech" is protected under the constitution.

We have a constitution that strongly protects speech, other countries do not.

[ApesForEvolution]

No Shiite...what a freaking load. RATS and their RAT COURTS run amock...

[Bogolyubski]

Do you really think that the 9th Circuit will find this unconstitutional? Or, Sandra Day O'Connor, Kennedy, Souter, Breyer, Ginsburg, and Stevens? Just who is going to strike down this law as unconstitutional if Schwarzenegger signs it?

I am really amazed by the number of folks in denial about the agenda that is clearly evident. 'Oh, surely it can't happen here!' This is a blatant step towards totalitarianism.

We'll no doubt be "reassured" by Country-Club RINOs that evrything will be OK because they'll try and make an exemption for religious groups. I wonder how many illegal aliens and other foreign nationals (who have no business voting, bu nonetheless vote in great number in every CA election) voted for the legislators who passed this outrage?

[ApesForEvolution]

Nobody here can hear you B...sorry, you've entered the RINOfication Zone...your screams even won't be heard..."and then they came for the Christians"...

[Mach9]

Email: http://www.govmail.ca.gov/

[concerned about politics]

Forcing normal people to think contrary to their conscience creates hate.
Hate creates violence.
Violence creates war.
Those who say they're using political correctness to save man kind have done more harm to this world than any war in world history, and the damage is just getting started.
Neighbor is rising up against neighbor, town against town, state against state, nation against nation.
All for the desire of a few who want to engage in sin without consequence.

Will it be worth it?

[jcb8199]

The contradictions abound--the gay person *willfully* intimidates, interferes with, oppresses and threatens the anti-gay person by crying foul...

[Redbob]

Next will be a law making it illegal to think badly of queers...

[fuzzy122]

Email HIM! NOW!

[fuzzy122]

Email HIM! NOW!

[David M. Brooks]

In the summary of the legislation linked to I didn't see any suggestion that speaking against homosexuality per se would be criminalized. It does seem to expand the realm of "hate crimes" and tries to force the police to charge more people with them, so it's bad enough.

In the "arguments against" section some group made the argument that all crime has within it an element of hate; an idea to which the California legislature seems indifferent.

[Publius6961]

I plan on a lot of civil disobedience!

Start building more jail cells.

[fuzzy122]

"...I didn't see any suggestion that speaking against homosexuality per se would be criminalized."

Again, the problem is that it makes it easier for activist judges to quiet their opposition's voices!

[kellynla]

Well I guess if RINOld signs the bill into law then the Bible will be banned too!!!

[Mockingbird For Short]

bttt

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

We protect hate speech and pornography. We do not protect religious or political speech, apparently. So this one is anyone's guess. It's arbitrary.

[fuzzy122]

God bless you for your service and sacrifice for our country.
I appreciate it very very much and so does my teenage son.

[overwhelmedbylife]

How long does the governor have to make a decision? And if he does sign this, when would it go into effect? I don't know a lot about law--and am just curious as to the time frames we are dealing with.

[kellynla]

You're very welcome!
I was proud to serve.

Semper Fi,
Kelly

[CounterCounterCulture]

Free speech for thee
Not for me

[paulsy]

will they also create a law that forbids Christian bashing by gays, muslims and Berkely professors?