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Edwards Sued Red Cross Three Times - Vanity
ABC John Stossel and The New York Times ^ | August 25, 2004 | eartotheground

Posted on 08/25/2004 7:04:36 PM PDT by eartotheground

I know this sounds like a joke but I am not kidding. Edwards sued the American National Red Cross three times in the 90's apparently and obtained a confidential settlement in each case. Anybody have any more info?


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KEYWORDS: americanredcross; democrats; edwards; elections; healthcare; hiv; kerry; lawsuit; lawsuits; malpractice; medicine; physicians; redcross; tortreform; triallawyers; vicepresident
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1 posted on 08/25/2004 7:04:37 PM PDT by eartotheground
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To: eartotheground
Do a google for red cross mismanagement. Could be any number of things. There's a book called Bad Blood about some (apparent, haven't looked into it) tainted blood scandal. That could be it.
2 posted on 08/25/2004 7:09:57 PM PDT by lelio
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To: eartotheground

This will test the loyalties of many misguided Freepers who believing rumors and wives tales, have an intense dislike for the Red Cross.


3 posted on 08/25/2004 7:11:14 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: bert

Rumors and old wives tales? Do you remember what happened after 9/11? The Bloody X solicited donations for the victims of 9/11, but then kept the money for other things.


4 posted on 08/25/2004 7:15:00 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: eartotheground
Uh, oh. This could get ugly, seeing as how the President of the American Red Cross from 1991 to 2000 was North Carolina's other Senator, Elizabeth Dole.

Of course, Edwards will chase an ambulance anywhere, anytime. h

5 posted on 08/25/2004 7:24:26 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (I used to be schizophrenic, but we're fine now.)
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To: bert

I think that was United Way who fumbled the money and gave a bunch to totally bogus groups, etc.


6 posted on 08/25/2004 7:27:19 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: bert
The issue with red cross is old, but it had to do with overhead. They were paying exorbitant salaries etc.
7 posted on 08/25/2004 7:28:49 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: eartotheground

team bush hasn't even started on this silly little man yet, but his time is coming.


8 posted on 08/25/2004 7:30:30 PM PDT by smonk
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To: eartotheground

From what I understand, due to Edwards work, several of these hospitals were driven out of business leaving people without care.


9 posted on 08/25/2004 7:30:50 PM PDT by I still care (Have you heard about the Democrat cocktail? It's ketchup with a chaser.)
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To: xm177e2

"Rumors and old wives tales? Do you remember what happened after 9/11? The Bloody X solicited donations for the victims of 9/11, but then kept the money for other things."

Exactly... and then they just didn't "get it" and continued to refuse to allocate funds where the intent of the donor had been clearly identified.


10 posted on 08/25/2004 7:31:38 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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To: bert

The dislike for the Red Cross was the fraudulent use of funds collected after 9/11, PLUS the fact that they were handung money to the Taliban while we were fighting in Afghanistan. They were openly helping our enemies with our donations.

Fairy tales? Do your research.


11 posted on 08/25/2004 7:35:46 PM PDT by datura (If Kerry wins, we all lose. BIG TIME!! Invest in steel, copper, and lead - while you can.)
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To: xm177e2; bert

If 9/11 was the only high jinks for that organization over the many years it might be excusable, as blatant as that was.

Our family history with it started in previous wars. "A man with an experience is not at the mercy of a man with a bias". Too much mismanagment experience for too little result.


12 posted on 08/25/2004 7:47:33 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: Spirited

The suits were for HIV transmission by blood prior to HIV testing. Red Cross settled these suits because; 1) it would cost too much to defend, 2) jury trials are crap shoots where you can lose big, 3) these suits would be reported widely tarnishing the image of the Red Cross, 4) the publicizing of these suits would sully the reputation of E Dole (this is only speculation, numbers 1, 2 and 3 are facts).


13 posted on 08/25/2004 7:55:47 PM PDT by AZFolks
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To: eartotheground

Edwards sued the Red Cross? I knew there had to be something I liked about him.


14 posted on 08/25/2004 8:29:36 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: bert
Here is my personal experience with the Red Cross....

In 1996, my home was totally underwater for 3 days following a flood. Everything we owned was destroyed.

The Red Cross came in, made a lot of media appearances when they first arrived.

Finally a few hours later, they set up concession stands where they charged victims and rescuers alike 2.00 for a can of coke, and 4 dollars for a sandwich that was either two pieces of white bread, with a slice of cheese, or bologna, or a pimento cheese sandwich.

But hey, the cookies were free, as long as you only wanted two of them.

The second the media left the area, so did the Red Cross.

The Salvation Army on the other hand, kept away from the media. I personally watched one of them tell the media that they did not have time for tv appearances, they had people to take care of and then walked away.

They brought sub sandwiches, cold drinks and chips. They provided bottled water. We were not allowed to pay them anything. They refused to take it, saying that we could give a donation later, once we got back on our feet, IF we wanted to. They made it clear that they did not expect anything from us in exchange for their help.

They made up cleaning kits that had various cleaning solutions, a sturdy bucket, and a couple of brushes and scrubbers, along with rubber gloves. They drove around and distributed these to every family.

For a full week after the media left, the Salvation Army stayed there with us.

They fed us, they helped us clean up, they prayed with us and they were there for us.

The Red Cross did absolutely nothing more than what I told you.

The Salvation Army was incredible.

After my experience with the Red Cross, I can say with relative certainty that the "rumors" as you call them, probably aren't rumors at all.
15 posted on 08/25/2004 11:45:46 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: Spirited
If 9/11 was the only high jinks for that organization over the many years it might be excusable, as blatant as that was.

The nickname "The Bloody X" dates back to WWII. This sort of @#%#^$ goes way back. I thought the most effective argument against "The Red Cross is as pure as the driven snow" would be an incontrovertible example that was recent and still bitter in our memories.

16 posted on 08/26/2004 2:51:33 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: texasflower

Your report is consistent with what I've heard for years about the Red Cross and the Salvation Army. (I love the Salvation Army!)


17 posted on 08/26/2004 2:57:43 AM PDT by maryz
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To: texasflower
I am soooo happy to read your post.

I never knew any of this about the Red Cross. I did hear a little about them mismanaging the 911 money.

I am happy because just two weeks ago I cleaned three of my closets out and I had ten bags of new to hardly worn nice clothes, some were designer clothes as well.
I was trying to decide which charity to give them to, and someone suggested the Red Cross. Then at the last minute I called the Salvation Army to come get them because I remember my mom telling me they helped her and my grand mom out when she was younger.

I am glad I changed my mind and gave them to the Salvation Army now that I have read this thread.


You Freepers Rock! I learn something new everyday on this website!
18 posted on 08/26/2004 5:44:56 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: texasflower

You lie.


19 posted on 08/26/2004 10:42:02 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: bert

Nice retort. Now, would you care to respond with something resembling factual debate to counter this personal story, or will the BS personal attack be your only response?


20 posted on 08/26/2004 10:54:36 AM PDT by MortMan (Complacency is an enemy sniper)
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To: bert

As I recall it was the same here during the wildfires last year in San Diego. The Red Cross took money and then didn't pay it back out and every firefighter said that the Red Cross charged through the nose for water or anything else that was needed while the Salvation Army exhausted themselves doing every thing they could for free.


21 posted on 08/26/2004 12:40:41 PM PDT by Higgymonster
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To: bert

You think that's a lie?

Give me one reason that I would lie about something like that. Do you think you are important enough to me to cause me to sit down and write a lie?

No, every single word of that is true. Every word.

I can't believe you called me a liar. You've got a lot of nerve.

You must work for the Red Cross.


22 posted on 08/26/2004 5:30:13 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: snarkytart

I am thrilled to find out that you donated to the Salvation Army.

They were so great with us after the flood. I will love them forever!


23 posted on 08/26/2004 5:35:24 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: maryz

Me too!


24 posted on 08/26/2004 5:39:03 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: texasflower

Perhaps lie was too strong an admonition.

You are more like John Kerry and his Christmas in Cambodia. Like the Christmas in Cambodia seared into his mind that never happened, the Red Cross consession selling $2.00 cokes is also fantasy.


25 posted on 08/27/2004 10:59:45 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: bert

We used to donate blood until the Red Cross put in the Mad Cow provision for people who'd spent a certain amount of time in Europe during the specified time period. We told the RC the next time they called to ask us to donate that we could no longer do so per the new provision. We continued to receive calls from them to donate for months afterwards. We kept telling them we could no longer do it. One person with the RC we spoke to suggested we donate anyway, that the Mad Cow rule was no big deal. We gave her a piece of our mind and we haven't heard back from the Red Cross since.


26 posted on 08/27/2004 11:04:42 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: texasflower; bert

I know how to solve this. Texas, simply provide a link to a news article about this and Bert will apolgize.


27 posted on 08/27/2004 11:11:25 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: mewzilla
I used to donate blood as often as I could, starting when I was 17. Then they passed this rule. It said anyone who had spent more than 6 months cumulative anywhere in Europe since 1980 was ineligible. Since my family is from Demark and we used to travel every year, I was well over that limit.

The rumor I heard was that the rule was designed to eliminate a large body of donors to create an artificial blood shortage. Anyone know if there's any truth to this?

And while we're at it, anyone know another way to donate blood?

28 posted on 08/27/2004 11:14:22 AM PDT by Obi-Wandreas (Dedicated to the shameless pursuit of silliness)
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To: bert

How do you know that? Were you there when it happened?


29 posted on 08/27/2004 11:17:30 AM PDT by MamaB (mom to an angel)
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To: bert

Every word is true. How dare you accuse someone you don't know of lying?

How dare you compare me to Kerry.

Why are you doing this?


30 posted on 08/27/2004 4:17:46 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: AppyPappy

A news article? This was my own personal experience with the Red Cross.


31 posted on 08/27/2004 4:18:46 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: bert

Why are you being such a jerk to Texasflower?


32 posted on 08/27/2004 4:28:46 PM PDT by Rebelbase (John Kerry, sign form 180 .)
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To: texasflower

My husband suggested a contribtion to the ARC for Hurricane Charley relief. I told him it was a lovely thought, but make the check payable to the Salvation Army.


33 posted on 08/27/2004 4:33:26 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (Charter member Broken Glass Republicans (2000))
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To: bert

How would you know? Were you there during the flood? The Red Cross is known for not exactly being a "non-profit" organization. Sorry, Elizabeth.

John Kerry would have gone to prison if he had been in Cambodia when he said.


34 posted on 08/27/2004 4:40:42 PM PDT by madison10
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To: texasflower

Oh. Well, I guess we just have to believe it happened although it would be nice if there were some small amount of evidence.


35 posted on 08/27/2004 5:54:11 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

What sort of evidence do you want? That the flood occurred?

That I lost my home AND business in it?

Or that the RC charged us 2.00 for a coke?

I was a little too busy to read the papers that month and save any articles on the off chance an idiot would question me about it 8 years later.

Sorry you think I am a liar. That however is your problem.

NOT MINE.


36 posted on 08/27/2004 9:17:53 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: Trust but Verify

Good deal! Your money will be put to much better use.


37 posted on 08/27/2004 9:19:06 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: texasflower; maryz; datura; snarkytart; MortMan; Rebelbase
"my home was totally underwater for 3 days following a flood"

I am sympathetic for your disastrous loss.

I would like to learn a little more about the circumstances. "Totally under water"....... does that mean the water completely covered the roof?

Or does that mean the water flooded  the yard and surrounded the house.

Does it mean that the rising flood entered the house and covered the floors?

How high did the water rise within the house?

38 posted on 08/29/2004 6:36:17 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: lelio

bttt


39 posted on 08/29/2004 6:37:32 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Can't we all just get along here?


40 posted on 08/29/2004 6:41:22 AM PDT by JusPasenThru (Meow mix--ask for it by name.)
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To: eartotheground

I was riding my bike around a trailer park after Hurricane Charlie to look at the damage.

I watched as this lady in a sedan marked with the Red Cross logo stopped her car in front of this house that had a tree laying on the roof. A family of about 4 or 5 people were standing out front resting, as it appeared they had been trying to clean-up some of the damage.

The RC lady walked over to this little girl of about 4 or 5 years old, spoke to her for a minute and then took her hand. She then escorted the girl back to her vehicle, where she took out a teddy bear and gave it to the little girl.

I have no feelings against the RC one way or another. I don't know enough about their past actions to form one. But I would ask that everyone keep in mind that as you read posts that rail against the RC organization, there are volunteers that want to do nothing more than help.


41 posted on 08/29/2004 6:56:07 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Not Fonda Kerry in '04 // Vets Against Kerry)
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To: bert

Please back off of Texasflower and stop being such a jerk. I mean it. STFU.


42 posted on 08/29/2004 10:53:39 AM PDT by Rebelbase (John Kerry, sign form 180 .)
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To: bert

I lived near the San Jacinto river you jerk.

What did I tell you bert? That's right. I told you UNDERWATER.

I said, underwater and I meant underwater.

My house was completely submerged for three days. The roof was covered for three days.

Do you get it?

Why are you doing this and what the hell does this have to do with your orginal question about the Red Cross's 2.00 soft drinks?


43 posted on 08/29/2004 3:40:32 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: Rebelbase

Thank you.


44 posted on 08/29/2004 3:57:51 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the Rapture, the Bush White House will be unmanned.)
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To: texasflower; Rebelbase

In honor of the Republican Convention I'm taking leave of absence from this thread till next week.


45 posted on 08/31/2004 2:19:04 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: texasflower; maryz; datura; snarkytart; MortMan; Rebelbase; eartotheground
The question has been asked.... why are you doing this?

The answer is simple. I can not let such a blatant misrepresentation of the truth about a valuable American organization stand unchallenged.

The truth is that the American Red Cross does not charge for disaster aid. The American Red Cross does not sell sandwiches or $2.00 cokes at disaster concession stands. The red Cross does not run concession stands at disasters.

The truth is that the Red Cross disaster vehicles, the ERV's have signs to the effect..... Everything is free, a gift of the American people.

All American Red Cross disaster relief and food  to victims and various relief workers, including emergency medical units working in the area, is paid for with donations from an appreciative American public.

Apparently there are those who are not only not appreciative of relief but have chosen to slander their benefactor.

 

 

46 posted on 09/09/2004 5:15:44 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: bert

The Red Cross is a worthless organization. Every word I said is true.

I would really appreciate it if you would stop calling me a liar.


47 posted on 09/09/2004 5:30:11 PM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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To: texasflower; maryz; datura; snarkytart; MortMan; Rebelbase; eartotheground
In a disaster the American Red Cross is the agency officially charged with disaster relief, including mass care. The American Red Cross  maintains 24/7 365 disaster response capability in 50 states. Although disaster relief responsibility is a quasi governmental function and other official members of the disaster relief team are governmental agencies, the American Red Cross is not a government funded organization. With the exception of local grants,  The Red Cross relies on private donations for funding. The American Red Cross does employ paid staff, but the majority of persons involved in disaster relief efforts are volunteers who have extensive training in their specialized task area. 

The disaster is managed by local chapters all across the country until a certain level of families involved is reached. At that point relief efforts  becomes a national responsibility and the national American  Red Cross resources are brought to bear. 

Early on, within hours of the disaster Red Cross damage assessment teams begin to survey the disaster area to determine the extent and to develop a rough feeling for resources required for the relief effort. Disaster trained volunteers called up locally and nationally. 

In a disaster involving many families a headquarters organization is established very close to the disaster area to manage the various different efforts. These efforts include establishing shelters, establishing and coordinating food preparation area, receiving the Emergency Response Vehicles coming in from around the country, dispatching them to areas where needed, finding each and every family and learning their needs. Finding and providing food and shelter, providing trained nurses to interview and take care of medical needs, lost prescriptions, glasses or other such medical needs. Managing the volunteers coming in from across the country involves a personnel officer. Local purchasing the materials required to support the effort requires trained purchasing and logistics volunteers. The press is keenly interested in what is happening and volunteers skilled in dealing with the various media begin the effort to tell the story of what is happening and to alert the affected families as to where they may seek food, shelter and relief. The headquarters will also contain a individuals who conduct a fund raising effort.  The headquarters will not be closed until the disaster work is over.

After the initial hours of immediate relief, families are provided resources to assist in a comeback.  Mass care teams establish centers  within the disaster affected area to interview the people and provide relief in the form of vouchers that can be spent to provide food, clothing and other necessities. 

The initial efforts to bring order to a chaotic scene are short lived. Some degree of order begins to emerge and lives can begin to take on the responsibility for the new but changed conditions. The various American Red Cross mass care teams remain in the area to insure that people have the necessities of life. 

It should be noted that total destruction of one's living place can not be completely resolved. A disaster is a life changing event. It should also be noted again that everything provided in an American Red Cross disaster relief effort including food, drink, cleanup kits, prescriptions drugs, eye glasses, vouchers for clothing and personal needs, and other relief too numerous for mention are free, a gift of the American people. 

These few paragraphs are an attempt to draw on imperfect knowledge to describe a very dedicated and complex organizational capability. Since no two disasters are the same, each response is different and the responding staff and volunteers are different. The response is however made in accordance with advance planning and training. The ease with which the American Red Cross reacts to catastrophic events is the result of long experience, highly trained and dedicated volunteers. The American public understands the need and always responds with disaster relief funding. They do not allow fellow Americans  to go begging when all their personal resources are wiped out.

48 posted on 09/12/2004 4:34:53 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: bert

Bert. I demand you leave me alone.

My experience with the Red Cross is exactly as I told you and I am not willing to be part of your never ending harassment.

Stop now.


49 posted on 09/12/2004 9:59:24 PM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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To: eartotheground
For the record, in September of 2004, the state of Florida was struck by four major hurricanes.

In its official capacity as disaster relief agency the American Red Cross pre positioned volunteer and staff disaster relief teams and the emergency response vehicles in northern Florida, Georgia and Alabama.They opened shelters in advance of the storms. They were in position in affected areas as soon as the storms passed.

The responded as they always do providing food, shelter and comfort to the affected people.

As of this writing in October, many are still there. They have worked very hard. They routinely work 12 and 14 hour days, 6 days a week during a three week assignment.Volunteers recieve no salary for their effort.Red Cross staff are on temporary assignment fron their home chapters and are poaid as usual.

There have been 25,000 or so Red Cross disaster people respond directly to the location, supported by thousands more their home chapters and the Disaster Operations Center in northern Virginia.

The Florida hurricane events in 2004 and the actions of these dedicated American Red Cross volunteers belie the fallacious allegations throughout this thread.
50 posted on 10/12/2004 2:01:53 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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