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Muslim Brotherhood, Nazis and Al Qaeda [Speech by John Loftus]
Navy SEALS.com ^ | August 25, 2004 | Jewish Community News, & John Loftus

Posted on 08/26/2004 1:04:56 PM PDT by 68skylark

Speech by John Loftus, former U.S. Deputy Attorney General

Holocaust Remembrance Day Yom Ha Shoah - 2004

It always seems a little strange to have an Irish-Catholic talking about Yom Ha Shoah.

I had an unusual education in the Holocaust. When I was working for the Attorney General, I was assigned to do the classified research about the Holocaust, so I went underground to a little town called Suitland, Maryland, right outside Washington, D.C. and that's where the US Government buries its secrets - - literally.

There are twenty vaults underground and each vault is one acre in size. Anyone see the movie “Raiders of the Lost Ark”? The last scene of that movie is what the underground vaults are really like, only not as organized as they are in the movie. And in those underground vaults I discovered something horrible.

I learned that many of the Nazis that I had been assigned to prosecute were on the CIA payroll, but the CIA didn't know they were Nazis because the British Intelligence Service had lied to them. What the British Intelligence Service didn't know was that their liar was Kim Philby, the Soviet communist double agent -- a little scandal of the Cold War. But our State Department swept it all under the rug and allowed the Nazis to stay in America until I was stupid enough to go public with it.

What do you do when you want to go public with a story like this one? You call up “60 Minutes.” We had a great time. Mike Wallace gave me 30 minutes on his show. For a long time, it was the longest segment that 60 minutes ever did. When the episode about Nazis in America went on the air back in 1982, it caused a minor national uproar. Congress demanded hearings, Mike Wallace got the Emmy award, and my family got the death threats. It was a great trip.

Then a funny thing happened. Over the last 25 years, every retired spy in the U.S. and Canada and England all wanted me to be their lawyer, for free of course. So I had 500 clients, they paid me $1 apiece. So I am the worst paid lawyer in America, but among the better employed.

Let me give you an example. This year a friend of mine from the CIA, named Bob Baer wrote a very good book about Saudi Arabia and terrorism, it's called “Sleeping with the Devil.” I read the book and I got about a third of the way through and I stopped. Bob was writing how when he worked for the CIA how bad the files were.

He said, for example, the files for the Muslim Brotherhood were almost nothing. There were just a few newspaper clippings. I called Bob up and said, “Bob, that's wrong. The CIA has enormous files on the Muslim Brotherhood, volumes of them. I know because I read them a quarter of a century ago.” He said, “What do you mean?”

Here's how you can find all of the missing secrets about the Muslim Brotherhood -- and you can do this too. I said, “Bob, go to your computer and type in two words into the search part. Type the word “Vanna,” V-a-n-n-a. He said, “Yeah.” Type in “Nazi.” Bob typed the two words in, and out came 30 to 40 articles from around the world. He read them and called me back and said, “Oh my God, what have we done?”

What I'm doing today is doing what I'm doing now: I'm educating a new generation in the CIA that the Muslim Brotherhood was a fascist organization that was hired by Western Intelligence that evolved over time into what we today know as al Qaeda.

Here's how the story began. In the 1920's there was a young Egyptian named al Bana. And al Bana formed this nationalist group called the Muslim Brotherhood. Al Bana was a devout admirer of Adolph Hitler and wrote to him frequently. So persistent was he in his admiration of the new Nazi Party that in the 1930's, al Bana and the Muslim Brotherhood became a secret arm of Nazi Intelligence.

The Arab Nazis had much in common with the new Nazi doctrines. They hated Jews; they hated democracy; and they hated the Western culture. It became the official policy of the Third Reich to secretly develop the Muslim Brotherhood as the fifth Parliament, an army inside Egypt.

When war broke out, the Muslim Brotherhood promised in writing that they would rise up and help General Rommell and make sure that no English or American soldier was left alive in Cairo or Alexandria.

The Muslim Brotherhood began to expand in scope and influence during World War II. They even had a Palestinian section headed by the grand Mufti of Jerusalem, one of the great bigots of all time. Here, too, was a man - - The grand Mufti of Jerusalem was the Muslim Brotherhood representative for Palestine. These were undoubtedly Arab Nazis. The Grand Mufti, for example, went to Germany during the war and helped recruit an international SS division of Arab Nazis. They based it in Croatia and called it the “Handjar” Muslim Division, but it was to become the core of Hitler's new army of Arab fascists that would conquer the Arab peninsula from then on to Africa -- grand dreams.

At the end of World War II, the Muslim Brotherhood was wanted for war crimes. Their German intelligence handlers were captured in Cairo. The whole net was rolled up by the British Secret Service. Then a horrible thing happened.

Instead of prosecuting the Nazis - - the Muslim Brotherhood - - the British government hired them. They brought all the fugitive Nazi war criminals of Arab and Muslim descent into Egypt, and for three years they were trained on a special mission. The British Secret Service wanted to use the fascists of the Muslim Brotherhood to strike down the infant state of Israel in 1948. Only a few people in the Mossad know this, but many of the members of the Arab Armies and terrorist groups that tried to strangle the infant State of Israel were the Arab Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Britain was not alone. The French Intelligence service cooperated by releasing the Grand Mufti and smuggling him to Egypt, so all of the Arab Nazis came together. So, from 1945 to 1948, the British Secret Service protected every Arab Nazi they could, but they failed to quash the State of Israel.

What the British did then, they sold the Arab Nazis to the predecessor of what became the CIA. It may sound stupid; it may sound evil, but it did happen. The idea was that we were going to use the Arab Nazis in the Middle East as a counterweight to the Arab communists. Just as the Soviet Union was funding Arab communists, we would fund the Arab Nazis to fight against. And lots of secret classes took place. We kept the Muslim Brotherhood on our payroll.

But the Egyptians became nervous. Nasser ordered all of the Muslim Brotherhood out of Egypt or be imprisoned, and we would execute them all. During the 1950's, the CIA evacuated the Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood to Saudi Arabia. Now when they arrived in Saudi Arabia, some of the leading lights of the Muslim Brotherhood like Azzam, became the teachers in the Madrasas, the religious schools. And there they combined the doctrines of Nazism with this weird Islamic cult, Wahhabiism.

Everyone thinks that Islam is this fanatical religion, but it is not. They think that Islam -- the Saudi version of Islam - -is typical, but it's not. The Wahhabi cult was condemned as a heresy more than 60 times by the Muslim nations. But when the Saudis got wealthy, they bought a lot of silence. This is a very harsh cult. The Wahhabiism was only practiced by two nations, the Taliban and Saudi Arabia. That's how extreme it is. It really has nothing to do with Islam. Islam is a very peaceful and tolerant religion. It has always had good relationships with the Jews for the first thousand years of its existence.

For the Saudis, there was a ruler in charge of Saudi Arabia, and they were the new home of the Muslim Brotherhood, and fascism and extremism were mingled in these schools. And there was a young student who paid attention - - and Azzam's student was named Osama Bin Ladin. Osama Bin Ladin was taught by the Nazis of the Muslim Brotherhood who had emigrated to Saudi Arabia.

In 1979 the CIA decided to take the Arab Nazis out of cold storage. The Russians had invaded Afghanistan, so we told the Saudis that we would fund them if they would bring all of the Arab Nazis together and ship them off to Afghanistan to fight the Russians. We had to rename them. We couldn't call them the Muslim Brotherhood because that was too sensitive a name. Its Nazi cast was too known. So we called them the Maktab al Khidimat il Mujahideen, the MAK.

And the CIA lied to Congress and said they didn't know who was on the payroll in Afghanistan, except the Saudis. But it was not true. A small section CIA knew perfectly well that we had once again hired the Arab Nazis and that we were using them to fight our secret wars.

Azzam and his assistant, Osama Bin Ladin, rose to some prominence from 1979 to '89, and they won the war. They drove the Russians out of Afghanistan. Our CIA said, “We won, let's go home!” and we left this army of Arab fascists in the field of Afghanistan.

Saudis didn't want to come back. Saudis started paying bribes to Osama Bin Ladin and his followers to stay out of Saudi Arabia. Now the MAK split in half. Azzam was mysteriously assassinated apparently by Osama Bin Ladin himself. The radical group -- the most radical of the merge of the Arab fascists and religious extremists -- Osama called that al Qaeda. But to this day there are branches of the Muslim Brotherhood all through al Qaeda.

Osama Bin Ladin's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, came from the Egyptian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, the results of a Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

There are many flavors and branches, but they are all Muslim Brotherhoods. There is one in Israel. The organization you know as “Hammas” is actually a secret chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood. When Israel assassinated Sheik Yassin a month ago, the Muslim Brotherhood published his obituary in a Cairo newspaper in Arabic and revealed that he was actually the secret leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza.

So the Muslim Brotherhood became this poison that spread throughout the Middle East and on 9/11, it began to spread around the world.

I know this sounds like some sort of a sick fantasy, but go to your computer and type in the words “Vanna,” V-a-n-n-a and the word “Nazi,” N-a-z-i, and you will see all of the articles come up. Those are all the pieces of information that the CIA was trying to hide from its employees. It did not want them to know the awful past. So, in 1984, when I was exposing European Nazis on the CIA payroll, at the same time they were trying to hide from Congress the fact that they had Arab Nazis back on the payroll to fight the Russians -- a stupid and corrupt program.

So, when Bob Baer studied his files, he was just stunned. A whole generation: the current CIA people know nothing about this. And believe me, the current generation CIA are good and decent Americans and I like them a lot. They're trying to do a good job, but part of their problem is their files have been shredded. All of these secrets have to come out.

So, of course, my clients in the intelligence community said, “Well, what are you doing?” They gave me an example. They said, “Here's how the Saudis finance these groups. The Saudis have established a group of charities on a street in Virginia. It's 555 Grove St., Herndon, Virginia.” So I said, “OK the Saudis are terrorists, so what?” These charities fund Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda. The Saudis are getting tax deductions for terrorism. They have set up front groups so all the terrorists groups in the U.S. and the front groups get the Saudi money as a charitable donation.

I said, “You're kidding me.” Nope. And they told me that right near where I lived in Tampa, Florida was one of the leading terrorists in the world. There were these two professors at the University of South Florida. One had just left -- and he was now in Syria -- and he was the world head of Islamic Jihad. His number two, the head of Islamic Jihad in the Western Hemisphere, was Dr. Sami al-Arian, who is still employed as a professor at the University of South Florida. You've got to be kidding. This can't be true.

Yes, these guys are raising money all across America and shipping it to Syria to go down to Palestine, the Palestinian areas, and hire suicide bombers to kill Jews. They sent me the videotapes. There was Professor al-Arian on stage and one of his friends gets up and says, “Now, who will give me $500 to kill a Jew? There are people standing by in Jerusalem who will go out in the street and stab a Jew with a knife, but we need $500.” And he said, “All of this money will go to the Islamic committee for Palestine.” And that is the front group in the United States for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

So I had all my friends in the FBI and CIA send in these files. I said, “Why haven't you prosecuted this guy? You've known about him since 1989.” “We'd love to. We've tried to prosecute him but we were told we couldn't touch him because he gets all of his money from the Saudis, and we are all under orders not to do anything to embarrass the Saudi government.”

I said, “I don't mind embarrassing them.” You know what I did? I donated money to the charity that was the terrorist fund, because under Florida law, that gave me the right to sue the charity to find out where my money was going. It was hilarious.

In early March, 2002, I drafted a long lawsuit exposing Professor Sami al-Arian, naming all the crimes he'd committed, all the bombings in Israel, the fundraising in America with terrorism. I mentioned how his money got to him from the Saudis and how the Saudis had convinced our government not to prosecute him for political reasons. Because of my high-level security clearances, everything I write is sort of classified material and has to be sent back to the government before publication, for censorship. So I sent my long lawsuit complaint to the CIA, and they loved it. They said, “Oh, great. We don't like the Saudis either. Go sue them.”

Three days later two FBI Agents showed up at my door, saying, “You know, there are only 21 people in the U.S. government that knew some of this information, and now you're 22. How did you find out?” I said, “I'm sorry, I can't tell you, attorney-client privilege.” That's why my clients pay me $1.00 each.

The day before I went to file the lawsuit, I got a frantic phone call from the United States Department of Justice. They said, “John, please don't file the lawsuit tomorrow. We really are going to raid these Saudi charities. We're going to close them down. Just give us more time.” “Oh yeah, you're going to raid them. That's what you told me in January - - and again in February, and now it's March. You want more time? I'll give you until 4:00 o'clock tomorrow. I'm filing my complaint at 10:00 a.m., so that at 4:00 p.m., I'm going to release the address of the Saudi charities. Back tomorrow. I filed my lawsuit at 10:00 o'clock, and told the press I was going to hold something back for a little bit.

At 10:15, the U.S. Government launched Operation Greenquest, a massive raid on all the Saudi charities in homes and businesses, and in one hour we shut down the entire Saudi money-laundering network in America.

From March 20, 2002 to the present, the government has found more and more evidence seized in those archives on that single raid that day. The evidence was so compelling that Professor al-Arian is no longer giving his speeches. He is now in federal prison awaiting trial. His accomplice, Hammoudeh, has also been indicted. Some 32 different people have been indicted in the United States as a direct result of these efforts.

But not the Saudis -- not the Saudis.

A month after I filed my lawsuit against al-Arian, I did it: I caused some trouble. I invited some 40 of the top trial lawyers in America to come down to St. Petersburg, Florida. Boy, did I have a deal for them. I wanted them to put up millions of dollars of their own money -- I'm poor, I had no money to give them -- but I wanted to do something for America.

These are lawyers like Ron Motley that had won billions of dollars in their lawsuits against the tobacco industry and the asbestos industry. I said, “What I want you to do is look at the evidence I've collected. It's the same Saudi banks and charities that funded Sami al-Arian that also funded al Qaeda.” I said, “I want you to bring a class action in Federal Court in Washington on behalf of everyone who died on Sept. 11th. I'm going to work for free and collect all the evidence, introduce you to the experts, provide all the exhibits and documents . . . and we have to do this for America.”

The lawyers studied all the documents I collected, and on August 15, 2002, they filed the largest class-action lawsuit in American history in the Federal District Court in Washington D.C., asking for one trillion dollars damages against the Saudis. The lawsuit said essentially that all these Saudi banks had one thing in common. They were bribing Osama bin Ladin 300 million dollars a year to stay out of Saudi Arabia and go blow up someone else.

Well, on 9/11, we found out we were someone else, and the Saudis had to pay for their negligence. So that lawsuit is coming along very well.

And more and more people in the CIA and FBI are sort of using me as a back channel to get our information. So, believe it or not, they've actually given me my own TV show now on Sunday mornings on FOX TV nationwide. I'm on at 11:20 eastern standard time. And ABC Radio has given me a national radio program, but I'm on at 10:30 at night and it's past your bedtime.

What I've become in my old age is a teacher. Twenty-five years ago I was a lot younger, a lot thinner, but now every day I get 500 to 1,000 e-mails from honest men and women around the world from the intelligence community.

And we have to end the evil in this world. We have to recognize that al Qaeda simply didn't spring up on its own. The evil route was Nazism. The al Qaeda Doctrine is the same as the Arab Nazis held. They hated Jews, they hate democracy, and they hate Westerners for Western culture. Al Qaeda is nothing more than the religious expression of Arab Fascism. We allowed this branch of the Nazi trunk to survive, to flourish, and it has come back to haunt us.

We must do a better job. Look at these children. They are our legacy. If we are to keep our children safe, we must teach them the lessons of the past. Every generation should know what these candles mean. Not only that one of the greatest tragedies in the history of the world really happened, but the evil that caused it -- Nazism -- survived because we didn't fight hard enough. We didn't finish the job.

But we must tell our children that in every generation the men and women of America have stood side by side with our Jewish, Christian, and Moslem brothers. We have risen up together against hatred. America is united now.

We will win the war on terror, and we will finish the job that these soldiers and survivors started more than a half-century ago. We must set the standard that to teach a child to hate is the worst form of child abuse. We must work together to end racism in our children's lifetime. We must teach our children to remember the Holocaust and be proud, so proud of those who survived and inspired us with their courage. In their name, in their honor, let us go forward and fight together. NEVER AGAIN


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; baer; balkans; bobbaer; goldenchain; johnloftus; muslimbrotherhood; nazis; sleepingwiththedevil; vanna
I'm honestly not familiar with the author. He could be a solid source, or maybe not. Does anyone else have reactions?

I've become a little more interested in the Muslim Brotherhood in the past few days -- I live just down the road from Notre Dame University. They were going to have a certain Muslim Professor come to teach, but his visa was denied by Homeland Security. The professor, Tariq Ramadan, is reported to be related to the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood.

1 posted on 08/26/2004 1:04:59 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

ping


2 posted on 08/26/2004 1:06:09 PM PDT by escapefromboston (the real Green Lantern Returns!)
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To: 68skylark
Loftus is kind of a wacky self-promoter who loves to simplify, leap to conclusions and make grandiose statements.

But he's always an interesting read.

3 posted on 08/26/2004 1:14:58 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: 68skylark

Loftus rocks. IMO, he's solid but often painted as a liberal.


4 posted on 08/26/2004 1:16:42 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: 68skylark
And the CIA lied to Congress and said they didn't know who was on the payroll in Afghanistan, except the Saudis. But it was not true. A small section CIA knew perfectly well that we had once again hired the Arab Nazis and that we were using them to fight our secret wars.

If you want to know more about the CIA and Afganistan, I recommend picking up "Ghost Wars".. author's name escapes me at the moment. Two interesting things stand out.. MI6 as well as the CIA were heavily involved in that conflict, and MI6 couldn't understand why we were arming the mujadeen with Stingers... guess that came back to haunt us. Another is an exchange between a Soviet intelligence agent and a CIA agent in which the Soviet agent basically said, "you know, they'll turn on you in a heartbeat". Guess we thought we knew better.
5 posted on 08/26/2004 1:18:35 PM PDT by Bulwark
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To: oceanview

FYI


7 posted on 08/26/2004 1:22:30 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: 68skylark; Dajjal

The propaganda minister for the Muslim Brotherhood in the 50's and the 60's, Sayyid Qutb, is known as the "Trotsky of the Islamist movement." His writings have inspired many modern terrorists movements, including Al Qaeda.


8 posted on 08/26/2004 1:25:26 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: alberuni
Yeah, I realize that family connections don't necessarily determine how someone thinks. That's your point, right? But in this case it's interesting anyway.
9 posted on 08/26/2004 1:34:26 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

The author is a very solid researcher who has written a number of interesting books about Communist use of Nazi, Catholic, and Western agents against their own governments.


10 posted on 08/26/2004 1:35:25 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: alberuni

From another thread.....my post

One should not visit the sins of the father on the kid, but the son of the founder of the Brotherhood? This guy had advocated stoning for cheating wives, albeit with conditions to satisfy the naive. I view him as the enabler of jihad, all dressed nice and all, softspoken, ostensibly rational but very very smart.

AQ is simply an extension of the MB, long sheltered in Saudi.

Remember, Zawahiri was an MB'er. Osama's mentor Azzam was also MB.


11 posted on 08/26/2004 1:36:00 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Bulwark

Ghost Wars BUMP! Steven Coll.

Also, James Risen and Milt Bearden's The Main Enemy is worthwhile.


12 posted on 08/26/2004 1:36:53 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: 68skylark

Muslims can cite incidents of usury and betrayal by European World Powers.

Unfortunately, we the USA will suffer the back-lash as the "Infidel Crusaders". Didn't the original Crusaders come from Germany and France?

Germany and France get a free pass. Islam, Naziism, Thugocracy, Dictatorship--all have more in common to the ME than does America.


13 posted on 08/26/2004 1:39:25 PM PDT by jolie560 (hE)
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To: Bulwark
"Guess we thought we knew better."

Obviously there was blowback, but the belief that we were wrong to arm the mujahadeen is itself grievously wrong. The Soviet disaster in Afghanistan does not happen without the Stingers and without the disaster the Soviet Union does not fall either as it did or when it did.

Asking if it was wrong to arm the mujas is like asking if it was wrong to send the Sovbiets 3/4 million trucks, 8500 Sherman tanks. 7,000 P39 & P 40 aircraft to help them fight their Great Patriotic War against the Nazis. BTW we sent aid BEFORE we were at war. What was the result? 50 years on the nuclear mousetrap until Ronald Reagan, Bill Casey brought down the house. Arming the mujas was no small part in that effort.

It's very possible that some power we are enlisting to help us with al Queda will come back to bite us in the future. But since we can't see the future we can only deal with one enemy ata time.

15 posted on 08/26/2004 2:57:19 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (" You have never tasted freedom my friend, else you would know, it is purchased not with gold, but w)
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To: alberuni
The Muslim Brotherhood is definitely the father of all the Islamist groups. It's been around forever. Because it has always been virulently anti-communist. . . .

I always thought that radical Muslims are strongly anti-communist. But when I read about Prof. Ramadan (the guy who was denied a visa to teach at Notre Dame) it sounds like he's building a philosophy that's more or less compatible with Marxism. So that makes me wonder. Am I mis-understanding his work? Is he not a radical Muslim? Are radical Muslims changing their doctrine?

For example, here's one article that I'm using for background: Tariq Ramadan's Two-Faced Islam. The West Is the Land of Conquest

16 posted on 08/26/2004 3:41:17 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

Sayyed Quttub and Maududi (who started the JamaatIslaami in Pakistan), while anticommies, overlaid their islami with the Vanguard prole rhetoric and organistational skills of the Marxistts to galvanise their followers.

THey haven't changed, We overlooked it for decades because they were a bulwark against COmmunism.

Ramadan is building on the sayings of these two, layering it with enough PC feely good rhetoric now, but, essentially supporting AQ which styles itself as the VanGuard, Tipof the Spear of the drive to worldwide Wahhabism.


17 posted on 08/26/2004 3:45:06 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: alberuni
He doesn't seem very militant or likely to be connected to terrorism.

I've just started learning a little about Dr. Ramadan, and I am a long way away from reaching the conclusions you've reached about him.

I suspect that Homeland Security probably has some information that isn't public (although the public information is worrisome enough). I think I trust their judgment on this matter -- much more than I trust the ND administration to make the right decisions.

19 posted on 08/26/2004 5:00:23 PM PDT by 68skylark
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BTW we sent aid BEFORE we were at war.

Not to the Soviets. We only did lend-lease with the UK prior to our entrance to the war. Lend-lease was extended to the Soviets on June 11th, 1942, which I hope you realize is after we entered the war.

It's very possible that some power we are enlisting to help us with al Queda will come back to bite us in the future.

By "some power" I hope you mean the Saudis, because it will no doubt come back to bite us in the future.
20 posted on 08/26/2004 5:59:42 PM PDT by Bulwark
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To: 68skylark

He knows his stuff and has connections in OGA's--is behind the 9/11 suit against saudi arabia and other things.


21 posted on 08/26/2004 6:01:41 PM PDT by rang1995
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I would think Pakistan in collusion with either China or North Korea would be the future problem. The Paks have a history of renegade cooperation with both. Some kind of move by the Paks while China makes its move on Taiwan in '08 is my guess. BTW my apologies it was the Brits who sent aid immediately after 22 June '41, and some of their aid was in the form of U.S lend lease, most particularly P39 aircraft for which the Brits had no use, but which could be used, as America discovered in the Solomons, as excellent ground support aircraft.


22 posted on 08/26/2004 7:18:40 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (" You have never tasted freedom my friend, else you would know, it is purchased not with gold, but w)
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To: 68skylark

BTTT.


23 posted on 08/26/2004 10:47:33 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberalism is a Hate Crime)
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To: xkaydet65
I would think Pakistan in collusion with either China or North Korea would be the future problem.

When it all comes down to it, I don't think China poses a threat. Our economies are just too intertwined, and what's bad for us is bad for them. We'll have disagreements, but the economic cooperation is just too much to overlook.

You're right about the Pakistanis and North Koreans, but don't forget the Saudi's. They sit on the largest oil reserves in the world, and they're a very corrupt regime with a past history of funding terroism. If that government fell, we'd be in tons of trouble.

As an aside, there was also a form of reverse lend-lease I guess. We received quite a few mosquitoes, spitfires, etc., and the rights to manufacture the Merlin engine (best aircraft engine of WWII), and an aircraft carrier for the Pacific fleet! Remember, until the Mustang/Thunderbolt came into service, American fighter pilots flying out of the UK had to fly Spitfires. The lightning was disliked by our pilots for some reason, and there wasn't anything else in the inventory that was the equal to the 109/190. The Brits also sent the russians a ton of their own ships (up to and including battleships).
24 posted on 08/27/2004 7:07:19 AM PDT by Bulwark
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To: 68skylark; escapefromboston; wideawake; swarthyguy; Bulwark; alberuni; freeperfromnj; Pyro7480; ...
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25 posted on 08/27/2004 10:27:36 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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Bump
I've read John Loftus's book, The Secret War Against The Jews. It mostly focus about Nazis in the Middle East. I read in the book that it talks of how Kim Philby, a Communist helped Nazis escape to the Middle East by smuggling them out. Also, the book mentions of Nazis heading to Palestine and Saudi Arabia even. I read that Nazis did go to Iran and perhaps likely Iraq.


26 posted on 09/04/2004 8:42:47 PM PDT by Ptarmigan
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