Posted on 08/27/2004 1:56:01 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
Edited on 08/27/2004 7:57:36 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
In a third television ad by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, one of John Kerry's crew members accuses the presidential candidate of lying, charging he falsely claimed to have spent Christmas in Cambodia in 1968.
Foregunner Steve Gardner, who served on Kerry's PCF [Patrol Craft Fast] - 44 in Vietnam in late 1968 and early 1969, is the only one of 10 former crew members to reject Kerry's plea to campaign for him.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has 254 of Kerry's former colleagues in Vietnam, including every officer who served in the chain of command above him, contending Kerry is unfit to be commander in chief.
In the ad, Gardner refers to the claim Kerry has made for 35 years, including from the Senate floor in a 1986 speech in which he said, "I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting in a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States tell the American people I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have the memory which is seared – seared – in me. … "
Gardner says:
"I spent more time on John Kerry's boat than any other crew member. John Kerry has not been honest. He has been deceitful."John Kerry claims he spent Christmas in Cambodia in 1968, and that is categorically a lie. Not in December, not in January, we were never in Cambodia on a secret mission, ever."
On August 11, Fox News Channel reported the Kerry campaign "has been forced to admit errors" in Kerry's statement to the Senate, and also in a 1979 Boston Herald article.
John Hurley, the national director of Veterans for Kerry, said, "I don't know that anyone can actually say whether or not they were in Cambodia. [It is a] very watery area. It is – there's no sign that says welcome to Cambodia. It is – it is obviously dusk and getting darker, and so they were in those waters."
FNC reported Kerry's campaign also says he was in Cambodia on a different mission with Navy Seals, but can provide no date for that mission.
Stated Hurley: "He was five miles into Cambodia, but what's happened is these two stories have gotten confused."
Hurley says Kerry was simply mistaken about the date of his incursion.
"I think that he knows that he was under fire in Cambodia," he said. "I think the date is what's inaccurate, that it was just not Christmas Eve Day."
The swiftboat vets' second ad, released at the beginning of this week to play in Ohio, West Virginia and Wisconsin, features former POWs charging Kerry with betrayal for accusing them of war atrocities during his testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971.
The first TV commercial quoted Kerry's Vietnam comrades calling him a liar, questioning his honor, accusing him of misrepresenting his actions for medals and attacking his character.
As well as all 3 Swiftvets.com ads!
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A link to the third ad.
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video3.html
the third ad is not as powerful as the second but gets the messgae across that Kerry cannot be trusted.
And more ads on their way -- God Bless the Swifties.
Heard him on the Rush Limbaugh show. Powerful witness!
Now, who are we going to believe 254 highly credited serviceman or the 9 that Kerry bought.
Me too. And I couldn't agree with you more about Steve Gardner. Powerful witness and genuine war hero.
a JH2 BTTT !!
Thanks for bumping the thread.
You are welcome....gotta get the "morning crew" up to speed....
"I don't know that anyone can actually say whether or not they were in Cambodia."
Um, Mr. Hurley, didn't someone you know "actually say" they were in Cambodia - 'twas seared in his memory.
I am listening to Terry McAulliff on Cspan..accusing Bush piously about Ginsburg giving legal advice to Swift Boat .blah blah..calling him ultra right wing Republican that governs from extreme far right.
Slamming Bush and Cheney for not going to Vietnam..Invoking previous attacks on McCain..More people are exposed for their lies,speaking of swift boat vets"who were not with him"..We will respond in kind!..Kerry who risked his life will not stand for it....!Criticizing Bush for being in cahoots with ads.
Dodging effect the ads are having on Kerry..saying they are in great shape...."Swift Boat ads..others dirtiest, nastiest in his 25 years of politics...They love money,power....Invoking Herbert Hoover/depression...
I am watching the biggest liar in the dem party call the swift boat veterans for truth liars..and I need a Pepcid!
If you are willing to wade through a thousand links, I have a file on Loathsome Terry right here:
-Liars-- and Sleaze, Incorporated... ( my files on the clintons and friends )--
Terry McAuliffe -- wasn't he the locoweed who said 'He's gone!' of Gov. Jeb Bush back in August, 2002? ;-) And who said Election Night, November 2002, was a banner night?
My admiration for the strength to sit and listen to McLowlife for that period of time.I wouldn't take his millions to be reduced to such a double-talking peg of instability.He's led his own party to destruction.
Backhoe..my ears are being soothed with the sounds of Ed Gillespie speaking about Kerry...It is music after Terry the sleaze master...Thanks for the link, but I have only so much I can take!
Regarding the Swifties, Terry McAuliffe ain't fit to wash their feet.
#16..Gillespie is bringin' it to them!..I love it ..Healing.
Amen!...
I agree. They need to hit back on what he said about vets when he got back. Preferably with the POWs who were tortured because of him.
As I see it, the SWBV ad campaign can do a good job of making it look like Kerry was dragged to Nam unwilinglingly (true), chose the swift boats because he thought they'd be safer (also true), started thinking about how he could use the war to his political advantage as soon as he got there (true as well), took three quick purple hearts and bugged out, then came back and tried to use his "heroics" to push a radically leftist agenda that caused us to pull out of Southeast Asia leaving millions to die under communism.
That's pretty much how I see it too.In a nutkerryshell.
As well as all 3 Swiftvets.com ads!
Amazing what a handful of men holding nothing but the truth in their hands can accomplish. Like Henry the V.
Nail on the head.
STELLAR!!!!
Thanks for the link.
Your post deserves its own thread. Excellent.
"in a nutshell" but kerry's a nutcase so nutkerryshell should have been "kerryshell" which is more interesting but even less decipherable. Time for sleep,maybe.
The ad is not as good as the second. They need to keep running the second. As for Kerry - this was a memory seared - seared - roasted and branded into him, and turning point in his life. Why he heard Nixon saying how no one was in Cambodia, even before Nixon took office. That's some memory.
So - yeah - KERRY LIED! But could Kerry have been operating across from Cambodia, in subsequent weeks? Sure. He was reassigned to An Thoi on 5 JAN 1969. It would have been a day's journey to get back up the Mekong past Sa Dec. Plus the Navy's own patrols were still north of there to prevent any 'incursion'.
But not out of An Thoi. That was located at the tip of an island just a few miles south of the Cambodian coast, and which island literally puts a bump in the line marking Vietnamese territorial waters. Go just a mile or so north of the island, or basically in any direction except south down by the 'tip', and you're technically in Cambodia, in 1969. An Thoi was a few miles out to sea, but opposite the roughly half mile or so wide mouth of a river where on the Vietnamese side a small cove was ringed by a small hamlet/town, called Ha Tien, which had a small Naval base of its own at the point for these patrol craft. They would continue up the river to what they started calling Bernique's Creek (because he went up there to thwart a VC operation, but shouldn't have, in OCT 68, just before Kerry arrived). I would assume everyone out of there, or out of Ha Tien, would have, at one point, been on the river across from Cambodia; on that 'creek', on that river.
So could Kerry have EVER been in Cambodia, or technically in Cambodian waters. SURE! Easily. He could have just have cruised up the island's coast, and then cut back down through Cambodian waters, just to say he did. But as for Cambodia itself, and going up that river, or five miles inside even, that's different. In fact, Bernique was awarded for taking initative in his unauthorized mission up that river. But he was called on the carpet in Saigon for it, nonetheless. The boats were not supposed to go up into Cambodia. That may have begun to change a year or so after Kerry left. But he got there just after Bernique was awarded, and simultaneously got into trouble. So, it's very unlikely he went on his own, certainly without orders to do so.
And that's not what Kerry said, all those years. He didn't say he patrolled out of An Thoi, past Ha Tien, and up Benique's Creek. He said he was up the Mekong, from Sa Dec, on Christmas Eve and Day, five miles up the Mekong past the border, into Cambodia. He simply made it up. And what's worse, he made it up to influence American foreign policy, in favor of America's enemies, then, and even later during the Reagan Adminstration. That's why his fraud is particularly loathesome and dishonorable.
The Swifties keep bringing it on! John F*ckin' keeps being hit hard. Now THAT's what I call taking the Kerry Campaign apart piece by piece. I can't wait soon enough for the next commercial.
I'd be glad to post a thread with your links, full credits to you -- just say the word.
Me neither ;-)
Aye, laddie, that he did. Missed by about 13 points. Polls were much like GW's until after the debates. I think I see a repeat of sorts coming.
Me too :-)
I have the Information Overload problem, myself- you wade through all the details and just get numb from all the sleaze.
Maybe 50/30 now and if any police or good people get blown up by professional demonstraitors/terrorists maybe 70/20.
Bookmarked..I like the second one best.
If I could scream this stuff from the roof tops I would.
I walk around the office reading "Unfit for Command".
And if anyone gives me that "look". I stop and challenge them.
GOD help us there are so many ignorant people WALKING UPRIGHT just like you and me!
Stay Strong
Fuzzy
You are too kind.
Stay Strong
Fuzzy
See #31 -- let me know.
I've heard the screech of metal and the smell of burning brakes, the sKerry Campaign is coming apart fast. Let's KEEP UP THE PRESSURE!
As George Patton said, "We're not going to hold ground, we're going to GAIN ground! We gonna grab the Hun by the nose and kick him in the A$$!"
Let's PUMMEL Hanoi John until 3 Nov!
Then, get ready to battle EVIL when Hitlary steps to the plate in 08!
Mathews went ballistic against Michell Malkin who quoted a passage from UNFIT which said Kerry's first PH came as a result of a "self-inflicted" wound.
Both truths which Kerry's campaign, but not Kerry, have backed away from. (Translation: tacit admission that Kerry's claims were bogus/lies.)
Spinner Mathews et al have some Big Time apologizing to do, but don't hold your breath waiting; you'll suffocate.
Great tagline! :-)
Thanks. I figured I suffered more than Hanoi John did with that minute fragment of shrapnel embedded into the third layer of skin!!!
hehehehehehehe
Have you read Ann Coulter's latest gem? It's an absolute KILLER PIECE. She totally eviscerates Matthews, as only she can. ;-)
I can't say whether or not I was ever in Cambodia but I can say I was drunk more than once in San Antonio, Texas. If someone took me to Cambodia, for a secret mission on those occasions, I do not remember.
Yeah, but Kerry is also claiming to have ferried Navy SEALS into Cambodia. This pretty much rules out a simple "drive across the border and out again" type excursion.
It is not meant to have emotive power. It is meant to move the debate forward. Kerry has done everything possible to obscure and confuse people about what really happened. The Cambodia issue is extremely simple. Focusing on it cuts through a lot of the smoke. Once you prove Kerry lied once, it's easier to get people to think he's lying about other things too.
This will not be remembered as a major ad, and they won't play this ad for a long amount of time, but it serves its purpose. (also, it shoots down the idea that none of the SBVfT were on Kerry's boat)
I never miss reading Coulter! Or Mark Steyn. Or Charles Krauthammer. I finished UNFIT in ONE day! George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John O'Neil and Brit Hume are my heroes. Their words and opinions are seared....seared..in my brain. LOL
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