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Plot Thickens After Checking Records (Kerry Silver Star V Device Questioned by Chi. Sun-Times)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | Friday, August 27, 2004 | Thomas Lipscomb

Posted on 08/27/2004 4:41:58 AM PDT by kristinn

In the midst of the controversy between the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and Kerry campaign representatives about Kerry's service in Vietnam, new questions have arisen.

The Kerry campaign has repeatedly stated that the official naval records prove the truth of Kerry's assertions about his service.

But the official records on Kerry's Web site only add to the confusion. The DD214 form, an official Defense Department document summarizing Kerry's military career posted on johnkerry.com, includes a "Silver Star with combat V."

But according to a U.S. Navy spokesman, "Kerry's record is incorrect. The Navy has never issued a 'combat V' to anyone for a Silver Star."

Naval regulations do not allow for the use of a "combat V" for the Silver Star, the third-highest decoration the Navy awards. None of the other services has ever granted a Silver Star "combat V," either.

Fake claims not uncommon

B.G. Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself, received the highest award the Army gives to a civilian, the Distinguished Civilian Service Award, for his book Stolen Valor. Burkett pored through thousands of military service records, uncovering phony claims of awards and fake claims of military service. "I've run across several claims for Silver Stars with combat V's, but they were all in fake records," he said.

Burkett recently filed a complaint that led last month to the sentencing of Navy Capt. Roger D. Edwards to 115 days in the brig for falsification of his records.

Kerry's Web site also lists two different citations for the Silver Star. One was issued by the commander in chief of the Pacific Command (CINCPAC), Adm. John Hyland. The other, issued by Secretary of the Navy John Lehman during the Reagan administration, contained some revisions and additional language. "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself... ."

One award, three citations

But a third citation exists that appears to be the earliest. And it is not on the Kerry campaign Web site. It was issued by Vice Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, commander of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam. This citation lacks the language in the Hyland citation or that added by the Lehman version, but includes another 170 words in a detailed description of Kerry's attack on a Viet Cong ambush, his killing of an enemy soldier carrying a loaded rocket launcher, as well as military equipment captured and a body count of dead enemy.

Maj. Anthony Milavic, a retired Marine Vietnam veteran, calls the issuance of three citations for the same medal "bizarre." Milavic hosts Milinet, an Internet forum popular with the military community that is intended "to provide a forum in military/political affairs."

Normally in the case of a lost citation, Milavec points out, the awardee simply asked for a copy to be sent to him from his service personnel records office where it remains on file. "I have never heard of multi-citations from three different people for the same medal award," he said. Nor has Burkett: "It is even stranger to have three different descriptions of the awardee's conduct in the citations for the same award."

So far, there are also two varying citations for Kerry's Bronze Star, one by Zumwalt and the other by Lehman as secretary of the Navy, both posted on johnkerry.com.

Kerry's Web site also carries a DD215 form revising his DD214, issued March 12, 2001, which adds four bronze campaign stars to his Vietnam service medal. The campaign stars are issued for participation in any of the 17 Department of Defense named campaigns that extended from 1962 to the cease-fire in 1973.

However, according to the Navy spokesman, Kerry should only have two campaign stars: one for "Counteroffensive, Phase VI," and one for "Tet69, Counteroffensive."

94 pages of records unreleased?

Reporting by the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs points out that although the Kerry campaign insists that it has released Kerry's full military records, the Post was only able to get six pages of records under its Freedom of Information Act request out of the "at least a hundred pages" a Naval Personnel Office spokesman called the "full file."

What could that more than 100 pages contain? Questions have been raised about President Bush's drill attendance in the reserves, but Bush received his honorable discharge on schedule. Kerry, who should have been discharged from the Navy about the same time -- July 1, 1972 -- wasn't given the discharge he has on his campaign Web site until July 13, 1978. What delayed the discharge for six years? This raises serious questions about Kerry's performance while in the reserves that are far more potentially damaging than those raised against Bush.

Experts point out that even the official military records get screwed up. Milavic is trying to get mistakes in his own DD214 file corrected. In his opinion, "these entries are not prima facie evidence of lying or unethical behavior on the part of Kerry or anyone else with screwed-up DD214s."

Burkett, who has spent years working with the FBI, Department of Justice and all of the military services uncovering fraudulent files in the official records, is less charitable: "The multiple citations and variations in the official record are reason for suspicion in itself, even disregarding the current swift boat veterans' controversy."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bgburkett; combatv; kerry; medalfabricator; militaryrecord; silverstar
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1 posted on 08/27/2004 4:41:58 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

* bump *


2 posted on 08/27/2004 4:43:28 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: kristinn

All this, and we haven't even gotten to the part about the VVAW yet. :-)


3 posted on 08/27/2004 4:44:35 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: kristinn

Is this guy a staff writer? Or a columnist?


4 posted on 08/27/2004 4:46:35 AM PDT by The G Man (Mass. Democratic Senators ... always running off whenever one of their passengers goes in the water!)
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To: Cboldt

What could the rest of the documents contain? The Kerry 'rope a dope strategy'?


5 posted on 08/27/2004 4:46:40 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Howlin

I love the smell of TRUTH in the morning! it smells like French toast.


6 posted on 08/27/2004 4:47:29 AM PDT by EllaMinnow (swimming through the blogosphere)
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To: kristinn

Woohoo!!! The best part of this story is that it is published in the MSM. Liberals in Chicago will be getting nauseous over breakfast reading this one.


7 posted on 08/27/2004 4:48:18 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (http://www.angelfire.com/ultra/terroristscorecard)
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To: kristinn

OOOOPS!


8 posted on 08/27/2004 4:48:26 AM PDT by Centaur (Never practice moderation to excess.)
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To: kristinn

Kerry's Record: The gift that keeps on giving.


9 posted on 08/27/2004 4:48:47 AM PDT by pt17
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To: The G Man

It doesn't look like he is a staff writer from the end of the article. This was in the paper's news section-not the columnists' section.


10 posted on 08/27/2004 4:49:11 AM PDT by babaloo
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To: Cboldt

Didn't some Navy officer, Admiral, I think, commit suicide over something like this a few years ago? Not to worry, though; no need to put Kerry on suicide watch. He has no shame.


11 posted on 08/27/2004 4:53:08 AM PDT by isrul
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To: Howlin
All this, and we haven't even gotten to the part about the VVAW yet. :-)

All this and we haven't gotten to the Paris meetings yet. All this and we haven't gotten to the denial of any American POW's still in VietNam and the shredding of records in order to hurry normalization of relations with Hanoi yet. :^)

Prairie

12 posted on 08/27/2004 4:53:41 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (sKerry is sKrewwy.)
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To: kristinn
The media will quickly decide not to shield Kerry anymore. He is a lost cause.

The Clinton Administration was crippled by his lies.
Gore lost in 2000, in part because people saw him as unprincipled.
Kerry is both a liar and unprincipled.

And Hillary wants to run in 2008? Can the Dems take another scoundrel as their Presidential Nominee? I think her hopes are actually sinking now too.

13 posted on 08/27/2004 4:54:28 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column)
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To: kristinn

The truth is poison to John Kerry.


14 posted on 08/27/2004 4:55:29 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: kristinn
Kerry is being caught in lie after lie after but still insists on making Vietnam the centerpiece if not the sole basis for his candidacy.

Kerry is a fraud who has no record of accomplishment in the Senate that he willing to even discuss with the American people and apparently his war record is, at the very least, questionable. He continues to run on a record of 4 months as a junior grade officer on a Swift boat in Vietnam and insists these 4 months have made him more qualified to lead the nation than a President who has lead us through 3 years of a worldwide war on terror.

I think Maureen Dowd wrote the wrong book. Kerryworld: Enter at Your Own Risk would have been a super seller.

15 posted on 08/27/2004 4:56:36 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: kristinn
Kerry's Web site also carries a DD215 form revising his DD214, issued March 12, 2001, which adds four bronze campaign stars to his Vietnam service medal. The campaign stars are issued for participation in any of the 17 Department of Defense named campaigns that extended from 1962 to the cease-fire in 1973.

However, according to the Navy spokesman, Kerry should only have two campaign stars: one for "Counteroffensive, Phase VI," and one for "Tet69, Counteroffensive."


... and the lie gets bigger and bigger.
16 posted on 08/27/2004 4:57:20 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: isrul
Didn't some Navy officer, Admiral, I think, commit suicide over something like this a few years ago? Not to worry, though; no need to put Kerry on suicide watch. He has no shame.

Yes, Admiral Boorda. For -wearing- a medal with a combat "V" that others had said was unearned. I suspect Admiral Boorda had more going on his life, but the impending press scrutiny "pushed him over the edge."

17 posted on 08/27/2004 4:59:30 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: babaloo
just pure spec on my part, but given the very late discharge
date i would suspect that his military record details his anti war activities with dates, times, places, and names. IMHO it would be very ironic if Nixon's preoccupation with with DNC dirty tricks turned out to be justified based on activities that JF'nK was part of.
18 posted on 08/27/2004 4:59:49 AM PDT by blue_nova
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To: isrul
Admiral Jeremy Boorda
19 posted on 08/27/2004 5:00:04 AM PDT by martin_fierro (_____oooo_( )_oooo_____)
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To: kristinn

Drip... drip.... drip...


20 posted on 08/27/2004 5:00:46 AM PDT by Nick Danger (www.swiftvets.com www.wintersoldier.com www.kerrylied.com)
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To: kristinn
I am the son of a Silver Star Medal recipient and he told me once that "those type of medals come with a lot of blood, guts and luck". Never with a "V". When you are awarded the country's third highest award for Valor there should be no question about it. Just as with the Medal of Honor or Navy, Distinguished Service Cross and Air Force Cross a Silver Star has to have corroboration by witnesses. The separation between the three medal is the fine line of valorous conduct by the individual. In fact many Navy Cross, AC or DSC recipients have had their medals upgraded to the Medal of Honor. The bottom line is that these medals are not usually questioned for their veracity because a witness usually submits someone for an award. In my father's case it was his battalion XO whom I have personally spoke with a few years ago.
21 posted on 08/27/2004 5:01:03 AM PDT by Warrior Nurse (Black & white liberals practice intellectual apartheid when in comes to black conservatives!)
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To: kristinn

Great post. bttt


22 posted on 08/27/2004 5:01:19 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Yeah, I have a 1998 signup date. So?)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
What could the rest of the documents contain? The Kerry 'rope a dope strategy'?

Given the demeanor of all the parties involved (O'Neill, Gardner, Thurlow, O'Dell), the eyewitness accounts of some that the media ostensibly puts in the Kerry camp (Rood, Lambert - whose stories put them in agreement with the Swiftees, on close examination), and Kerry's reaction; I don't think this is a Kerry rope-a-dope.

23 posted on 08/27/2004 5:03:49 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: kristinn

I served from '69-'72, and knew guys who won medals. My attitude was "good for them", but the most common commentary soldiers made about medals was "with a Silver Star and a dime, you can get a cup of coffee". I saw alot of valor that went unrecognized, and some medals awarded that were unwarranted. Winning medals wasn't the point and it doesn't separate the heroes from the every day grunt. Getting my ass home in one piece was all I ever wanted. As far as I'm concerned, the heroes are on The Wall. The only recognition that meant anything is what your buddies thought of you, and the only glory in war is not letting them down. Period. The rest is fluff.


24 posted on 08/27/2004 5:04:25 AM PDT by Spok
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To: kristinn

John F*ckin' embellished his medals. I mean the ones he tossed before he kept them? Well it goes to show when it comes to his wartime record, the man's a complete braggart.


25 posted on 08/27/2004 5:04:27 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: kristinn

Ouch! That's gonna leave a (another) mark!


26 posted on 08/27/2004 5:04:51 AM PDT by PilloryHillary (Kerry lied while good men died. JohnFKerrysucks.com)
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To: kristinn

I addressed this issue on the 20th here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1195373/posts

Does anyone know when it was first mentioned by the media or elsewhere?


27 posted on 08/27/2004 5:06:23 AM PDT by Wu
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To: kristinn

BUMP!


28 posted on 08/27/2004 5:07:10 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: Cboldt
I don't think this is a Kerry rope-a-dope.

I think it is but the dope being roped is Kerry. Why in god's name are his advisers telling him to continue to use this Vietnam strategy? There really is only one answer, they do not want John Kerry to win.

29 posted on 08/27/2004 5:07:53 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: isrul
Didn't some Navy officer, Admiral, I think, commit suicide over something like this a few years ago?
Col Hackworth hands his hands in this as well.
30 posted on 08/27/2004 5:08:20 AM PDT by boxerblues
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To: hflynn

close tags </i>


31 posted on 08/27/2004 5:08:58 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: kristinn

32 posted on 08/27/2004 5:10:08 AM PDT by wolicy_ponk (Kerry, follow me no closer than 1000 yards, or I'll teach you what a real purple heart is. -T.Peck)
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To: kristinn

I see you started a thread first and wanted to get this comment in before going to work:

And to think Pete Dawkins lost to Lautenberg primarily because Dawkins had
a campaign pamphlet that stated he had two tours in Nam when he had only one.


33 posted on 08/27/2004 5:13:27 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: kristinn
Kerry, who should have been discharged from the Navy about the same time -- July 1, 1972 -- wasn't given the discharge he has on his campaign Web site until July 13, 1978.

That's the first I've heard of a late discharge. I'm sure Doug Brinkley will come up with some Republican scape goat to blame for it.

34 posted on 08/27/2004 5:14:14 AM PDT by ravinson
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To: isrul

But Hillary could always Foster him.


35 posted on 08/27/2004 5:18:11 AM PDT by mywholebodyisaweapon
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To: kristinn

He's not the only one:

http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/mov-soldier.html


36 posted on 08/27/2004 5:21:47 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Imagine whirl peas)
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To: EllaMinnow

LOL! Good morning, Red. I'm getting ammunition to use at work this morning. ;-)


37 posted on 08/27/2004 5:22:23 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: EllaMinnow

Er, I should be more specific. Not real ammunition ... just facts for debating any liberals I should meet today.


38 posted on 08/27/2004 5:25:13 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: Cboldt

A few days before I was to be released (after returning from my second Vietnam tour)I had a chance to see the DD 214 that was prepared for me. It was full of typo's so I asked for another 214 form and sat down and typed in myself. The 214 allows the placement of medals so I filled my 214 out and, not anticipating I would be running for President someday, did it correctly.

It seems to me that things were a little loose back then and someone who lacks a moral compass, like Kerry, could have changed his 214 "just a little". I think he did or had someone do it for him, inasmuch as a V on a Silver Star is bogus.


39 posted on 08/27/2004 5:25:37 AM PDT by svxdave (Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
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To: BunnySlippers

I'm stuck at home with a daughter with a sprained knee, so all I can be is a keyboard warrior. I'm in a mood to spread some truth!


40 posted on 08/27/2004 5:31:56 AM PDT by EllaMinnow (swimming through the blogosphere)
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To: EllaMinnow

Surfing around:

But Mr Brinkley rejected accusations that the senator had never been to Cambodia, insisting he was telling the truth about running undisclosed "black" missions there at the height of the war.

He said: "Kerry went into Cambodian waters three or four times in January and February 1969 on clandestine missions. He had a run dropping off US Navy Seals, Green Berets and CIA guys." The missions were not armed attacks on Cambodia, said Mr Brinkley, who did not include the clandestine missions in his wartime biography of Mr Kerry, Tour of Duty.

"He was a ferry master, a drop-off guy, but it was dangerous as hell. Kerry carries a hat he was given by one CIA operative. In a part of his journals which I didn't use he writes about discussions with CIA guys he was dropping off."


41 posted on 08/27/2004 5:48:57 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: kristinn
The page you requested cannot be found.

Do you have a better link?

42 posted on 08/27/2004 5:49:23 AM PDT by jellybean (Support Swift Boat Veterans For Truth)
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To: kristinn; Hon; neverdem

Hey!

We were writing about these things 12 weeks ago!


43 posted on 08/27/2004 5:51:22 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!))
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To: Howlin
Kerry: "What I was doing was so secret that even 'I' didn't know what I was doing."
44 posted on 08/27/2004 5:51:42 AM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: kristinn
We need to start a pool for guessing the day the media turns on Kerry en-mass.

The Media Arm of the Democratic Party are scum sucking parasites who will bail off their "host" once its been bled enough.

I'm going with Oct. 5th.
45 posted on 08/27/2004 5:53:24 AM PDT by Rebelbase (John Kerry, sign form 180 .)
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To: Spok

Dead On!!!!!

and J Fin Kerry let us all down. The BOY has no HONOR. He has lost the right to even be called a man.


46 posted on 08/27/2004 6:00:10 AM PDT by USVet6792Retired (Liberals in the open...adjust fire...over!!!!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
We were writing about these things 12 weeks ago!

That's why we're all so cranky! We're so far ahead of this story, we're losing patience, waiting for the rest of the country to catch the hell up.

47 posted on 08/27/2004 6:01:57 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: jellybean
http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lips27.html

This works.

48 posted on 08/27/2004 6:03:36 AM PDT by Tarheel (Almost time for basketball!)
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To: Tarheel; All

here's an old article:
http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/02/27&ID=Ar00800

This guy can write, gets picked up by media, and seems to like looking into Kerry stuff...we need his e-mail address...


49 posted on 08/27/2004 6:13:38 AM PDT by bitt
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To: bitt

'JWR contributor Thomas H. Lipscomb, the founder of Times Books, is a contributing columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times and The New York Sun, where a shorter version of this story first appeared.'

tom@digitalfuture.org, schmooze@jewishworldreview.com


50 posted on 08/27/2004 6:16:55 AM PDT by bitt
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