Montreal man downed u.S. Plane, CSIS told

National Post ^ | Aug. 27, 2004 | Stewart Bell

[realpatriot]

Don't tell me you'll be surprised.

Please tell me that.

Don't make me tell you something like gullible isn't listed in the Webster dictionary.

Don't do this to me.

[RobRoy]

>>Don't know how reliable the source is, but the terrorism involved with that crash seemed about as obvious as the double Russian crashes the other day.<<

I thought that was just a wierd coincidence?


</sarcasm>

[Blood of Tyrants]

I twould be hard for him to smuggle a bomb aboard and blow up the plane since he wasn't even on board.

Final passenger list:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/a300crash/story/0,11165,592701,00.html

[jaydubya2]

On avweb.com, search for 587.


By Mary Grady
Newswriter, Editor

In his report, Hess notes that the "pedal/rudder sensitivity of the A300-600 at the airspeed at which the AA 587 accident occurred is the highest of all comparative transport aircraft." For example, compared to the Boeing 767, the A300-600 pedal/rudder sensitivity is seven times greater, and it is 10 times greater than the preceding models in the Airbus series, the A300-600B2 and B4, Hess reports. "The sensitive nature of the rudder/pedal system is a plausible candidate for a control system property conducive to a PIO," the report says. "One has a very powerful aerodynamic surface ... activated by one of the most powerful muscles in the human body, commanding a pedal/rudder system that is considerably more sensitive than that of any comparable aircraft," the report says. The report is still under consideration by the NTSB. "It's [Hess's] opinion. It's not the board's opinion at this point," NTSB spokesman Ted Lopatkiewicz told Reuters last week. Hess elaborates that rudder pedals are operated by a pilot's strong leg muscles -- capable of exerting over 400 pounds of force -- and he says those muscles lack the sensitivity to accurately command relatively small forces.

A response from the French Air Accident Investigation Bureau (BEA) questions Hess's conclusions. The BEA disagrees with some of Hess's assertions and says some of his data is inadequate. The Hess report does, however, "provide a springboard for questions that may lead to an understanding of this event," the BEA concludes. Airbus officials also have defended the rudder system, noting that Airbus models have flown for millions of hours without rudder pressure being an issue. The NTSB's final report is expected this spring.

[maestro]

But,.......the whole (long) weekend?

[dinasour]

This doesn't surprise me in the least and I'd like to see an investigation into this matter

I live in Connecticut, and often listen to NYC radio, and I remember this distinctly. Coming so close after 9/11 I was literally brought to tears. It was seared into my memory, to coin a phrase.

For the first few hours after the crash, one of the anchors at WCBS, who is somewhat of a flying buff, was actually allowed to commit journalism.

They had on air, multiple, credible people who described an in flight explosion and breakup. Heck, an engine was found in Long Island Sound.

Then faster than you can say, "John Doe #2" the eyewitness accounts disappeared (and way before anyone had time to actually examine anything) only to be replaced with the cover story: jet wash, bad bolts, tail "just fell off". Bad things just happen sometimes, y'know.

I'm tired of the government covering stuff up to protect us.

And I'm getting angry. They seem to think they must, otherwise we might just do something horrible, like profile someone, or defend ourselves or or families.

[jaydubya2]

Also...

If this plane was brought down by a bomb, don't you think Airbus would be screaming that there poorly designed aircraft was not at fault?

[Sacajaweau]

I'm looking at a calendar. November 12, 2001 was a Monday!

[Alberta's Child]

Anybody who takes an international flight out of JFK Airport in New York City is crazy. Just go back over the last ten years and see how many airline crashes with specious causes have originated there. I can think of four of them right off the top of my head.

1. TWA Flight 800
2. Egypt Air Flight 990 (the one that was -- or wasn't -- a suicide mission by the pilot or co-pilot)
3. That SwissAir flight that crashed off the coast of Newfoundland
4. American Airlines Flight 587

[SittinYonder]

"Jdey" isn't on the passenger list. Could've used an alias.

[Joe Hadenuf]

I have always felt that the government covered that incident up because the public was still reeling from the 9/11 horror and the airline industry lobbyists were in a panic.

Agree.

[maestro]

Yep!.........

.......'INS'.......

naw

/sarcasm

[Sacajaweau]

These guys thrive an aliases. Usually, they are close to ONE of their names though out of order in some way. Regardless, one would have to know something about each passenger and confirm it was them (which takies ALL the bodies to do). In the meantime, there was supposed to be video taken from a booth. We never heard anymore about it. Think "Classified"!!

[Brytani]

Not according to this passenger list

http://www.guardian.co.uk/a300crash/story/0,11165,592701,00.html

[Alberta's Child]

If this plane was brought down by a bomb, don't you think Airbus would be screaming that there poorly designed aircraft was not at fault?

Unless Airbus was provided with a very generous U.S. government contract soon afterwards. Someone mentioned that this was the case with Boeing in the aftermath of the Flight 800 crash.

[Sacajaweau]

The real oddball on the list is Yamil Jerez.

But the question is: Where is Jday?

[Sacajaweau]

I love it when they put these little "mysterious source" tidbits out. Always look at them as "bait".

[redwhit]

Whoops. My bad - you are absolutely right. Please don't tell my wife . . .

[Blood of Tyrants]

The vertical stabilizer was fished out of the bay two miles from the crash scene. If any other parts were fished out of the bay, it is because the aircraft was yawing at over 300 mph and the wind tore chunks off. Sorry, I don't believe this one was terrorism.

Now Flight 800 is a completely different story.

[Right_Handed_Writer]

"When and where was he seen last?"

"Jdey's image was first widely circulated by U.S. officials in January 2002. He is thought to have left Canada for good in November 2001,"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/ussecurity/fbi_wanted.html

But a reported sighting with another well known most wanted in May of 2004:

"Samuel Mac, manager of the Denny's in Avon, isn't happy with the response he got from the FBI when he reported that two of them ate at his restaurant Wednesday...Mac said two men - he subsequently identified them from their photographs as Adnan G. El Shukrijumah and Abderraouf Jdey - came into Denny's, which is just off Interstate 70, about 8 p.m."

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E53%7E2177173,00.html