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Driver's Licenses for Illegal Aliens Bill PASSES Again (California State Senate)
The John and Ken Show (KFI 64.0 am, Los Angeles) | truthkeeper

Posted on 08/27/2004 5:34:34 PM PDT by truthkeeper

Well guys, "One Bill Gil" Cedillo snuck this monstrosity in as an attachment to some bill the state senate just HAD to pass. (The official story, anyway.) John and Ken just announced that it passed 21 - 14 moments ago, despite an impassioned, intelligent plea against it by Tom McClintock. The bill now moves on the entire assembly, where it is also expected to pass.

So it looks like Arnold will have a bill to either sign or veto after all.

Once more into the breach.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab2895; aliens; driverslicense; driverslicenses; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; insanity; sb1160
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1 posted on 08/27/2004 5:34:36 PM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: truthkeeper

The California Legislature makes the Illinois Legislature look good and that is a hard act. Here in Illinois we refer to a politician as "honest" if, once he has been "bought" stays "bought".


3 posted on 08/27/2004 5:52:34 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (Kerry: Like Gruber from McHale's Navy TV - Always after a Purple Heart)
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To: Tacis

Does the CA governor have line item veto?

If he does, than Arnold can sign the bill this was attached to and just cross out the license for illegals part.

Do we know what bill did they attach it to?


4 posted on 08/27/2004 5:52:55 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: Tacis
Can you image the consequences?

Follow the money. Major backer in all states is the transportation industry. With licenses they can inflate the labor market with supply and undercut the wages of Americans and legal residents in the transportation industry.

Insurance cos. also involved, but they want to gain more premiums, they're not aiming to reduce the "cost" of their own labor.

If labor "costs" can't be reduced by outsourcing, illegals will be insourced. Unique to the transpotation industry, from trucking to pizza delivery, is the barrier of licenses. That wall protecting Americans is being undermined for short term profits.

5 posted on 08/27/2004 5:53:00 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

Geez doesn't it mean anything to be a citizen? 75%+ want these illegals out of here!!!


6 posted on 08/27/2004 5:54:09 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Shermy

The mexican truck drivers are already on the roads in CA through the NAFTA legislation....


7 posted on 08/27/2004 5:55:29 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: kellynla; nickcarraway; Sabertooth; Carry_Okie

Ping


8 posted on 08/27/2004 5:56:40 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: television is just wrong
Geez doesn't it mean anything to be a citizen?

Yes. You are a "cost."

9 posted on 08/27/2004 5:57:55 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: truthkeeper

Our borders are not secure. There is no damn way the illegal alien license can be limited to Mexican invaders since the ACLU will inevitably invoke the 14th Amendment to allow ENERY illegal to get a license.

Best advice to non-Californians: TELL YOUR STATE LEGISLATURES TO >>> BAN <<< CALIFORNIA LICENSEES FROM DRIVING IN THEIR STATES!!!!! This will force the issue to the US Supreme Court and then we'll see if the USA will perish from the earth.


10 posted on 08/27/2004 5:58:10 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Free Tibet...from Communist China!)
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To: Shermy
If labor "costs" can't be reduced by outsourcing, illegals will be insourced.

Exactly. Poverty is increasing in this country because the third world in invading and middle class America is being squeezed out. Why pay a decent wage to Americans when you can hire illegals for cheap?

11 posted on 08/27/2004 5:58:28 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: Shermy

????


12 posted on 08/27/2004 6:02:06 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: truthkeeper

Will the terminator veto it?


13 posted on 08/27/2004 6:02:27 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: FairOpinion

Arnold can just veto the whole bill.


14 posted on 08/27/2004 6:07:05 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: television is just wrong

"????"

Supply and demand.


15 posted on 08/27/2004 6:07:54 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: ElkGroveDan

I know Arnold can veto the whole bill, but if the bill is something very popular, it's harder.


16 posted on 08/27/2004 6:09:31 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: truthkeeper
Well guys, "One Bill Gil" Cedillo snuck this monstrosity in as an attachment to some bill the state senate just HAD to pass. (

No he just did a "gut and ammend". He took an existing bill and Senate Rules let him cut and paste the language to SB 1160 into AB 2895 (Nunez).

It passed because they have the votes in the Senate, period. The bill must now be heard in the Assembly by the end of business tonight. Stay tuned to KFI. A little bird told me they will get the live feed as soon as it comes up.

The bill will pass the Assembly, but Arnold has said that he has not changed his position on this. It can't hurt to keep the heat on though. If you have a Democrat Assemblyman in California, they are in their offices until late tonight. Call them and give them a piece of your mind. Don't bother your GOP reps though. No one on our side is going to vote for this and they have a thousand other things on their plates right now.

17 posted on 08/27/2004 6:12:14 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: FairOpinion

Nope, that's all it is.


18 posted on 08/27/2004 6:12:41 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: truthkeeper
"One Bill Gil" Cedillo snuck this monstrosity in as an attachment to some bill the state senate just HAD to pass.

You mean like the majority of legislation across this country that wouldn't otherwise pass, but gets tacked on to some supposedly vital legislation to sneak it by?????

Is this suppose to come as any sort of surprise.

19 posted on 08/27/2004 6:13:18 PM PDT by TheBattman (http://www.swiftvets.com/)
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To: TheBattman

That's not how it happened. They didn't need to. The Dem majority just brazenly supported the drivers license bill, nothing more, nothing less.


20 posted on 08/27/2004 6:15:06 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: television is just wrong

"????"

Sorry, you replied to my "Yes. You are a "cost.""

It's a sarcastic comment how Americans are treated.


21 posted on 08/27/2004 6:18:18 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: truthkeeper

"...despite an impassioned, intelligent plea against it by Tom McClintock."

Once again Tom proves his effectivness ...


22 posted on 08/27/2004 6:18:40 PM PDT by RS (Just because the SwiftVets are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: television is just wrong

I think the answer to your question is abundantly clear. We're here to pay the bills and be told that we're not intelligent enough to comprehend the big picture.

I may not like reality, but at least I know what reality is.


23 posted on 08/27/2004 6:20:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: FairOpinion

"Does the CA governor have line item veto? "

Dosen't matter, whatever the damn bill they pasted it onto it should be vetoed -

Veto the whole thing Arnold - force THEM to go back and pass the "must-pass" again...


24 posted on 08/27/2004 6:21:31 PM PDT by RS (Just because the SwiftVets are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: DoughtyOne

While they are in the ivory tower out of touch with the reality of what we deal with.


25 posted on 08/27/2004 6:23:47 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: truthkeeper
Did they have to use "ghost votes" to get this one? Last night they "revoted" a ban on .50 firearms. It initially failed 36 to 37. On the "revote", the RATS walked over to empty desks (missing assembly members) and voted yes. Major league fraud.

Arnold is anti-gun, so I expect him to sign the fraudulently passed bill.

26 posted on 08/27/2004 6:25:33 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: television is just wrong

...exactly right.


27 posted on 08/27/2004 6:26:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Myrddin
Did they have to use "ghost votes" to get this one

Looks like it was another use of the "gut and amend" process, which has been controversial for years since it bypasses all of the public comment rights that are afforded by the operation of the committee process. (But since when do the Dems believe in hearing what we, the "ignorant public" have to say?) The Assembly's been standing by to receive this bill all afternoon.

28 posted on 08/27/2004 6:31:20 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: ElkGroveDan

AB 2895 was a domestic violence bill stuck in the Senate Appropriations committee. Did they spring it out of committee today prior to doing the gut and amend? If so, there were two votes.


29 posted on 08/27/2004 6:38:18 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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Folks, this bill has little or nothing to do with driving. You are not going to see a rush of aliens heading to driving school or buying insurance.

Cedillo still insists there can be no distinguishing mark on the license indicating illegal status. Also, all it takes to get one is a damn Matriculas Consulares -- and even the Mexican government doesn't accept them as legit ID.

This is about putting what passes as our defacto national ID into the hands of illegal aliens so they can hide in plain sight.


30 posted on 08/27/2004 6:40:54 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: PeterFinn

TELL YOUR STATE LEGISLATURES TO >>> BAN <<< CALIFORNIA LICENSEES FROM DRIVING IN THEIR STATES!!!!!


... and don't forget the other States that already allow them to get licenses... North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, Utah and Texas


31 posted on 08/27/2004 6:41:33 PM PDT by RS (Just because the SwiftVets are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Cedillo moved to change ALL the language in the bill in committee. Then Senate rules sent the bill directly to the Senate floor "without Reference to File (worf as they call it here) which means they take it up immediately. Since it has been ammended it needs to go back to the Assembly. I believe it is in Assembly Public Safety right now, and before the night is out it will be voted on by the floor (and it will pass, they have the votes).


32 posted on 08/27/2004 6:44:16 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: truthkeeper

Everyone in California... time to call Arnold and remind him what happened to Davis when he went against the will of the vast majority on this issue.


33 posted on 08/27/2004 6:47:23 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: ElkGroveDan

I don't doubt that they have the votes. The debate should be interesting, though. It appears they're in recess until 7:15 at the moment.


34 posted on 08/27/2004 6:48:17 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: PeterFinn

What about a statewide referendum banning drivers liscences for illegal aliens? I think that would be prevent the legislative 'Rats from passing stuff like this.


35 posted on 08/27/2004 6:49:49 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: RS

If Arnold does not veto this, a California license can and will be considered useless as identification.

Odd timing on this isn't it -- just before the GOP convention where Arnold is supposed to be a keynote speaker.


36 posted on 08/27/2004 6:51:11 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Those recesses are to hold impromptu committee hearings. My guess is they are passing AB 2895 out of Asm Pub Safety right about now. I'll go check as soon as the Sen breaks and post back here.


37 posted on 08/27/2004 6:51:37 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
This is about putting what passes as our defacto national ID into the hands of illegal aliens so they can hide in plain sight.

That's it.

38 posted on 08/27/2004 6:55:08 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Shermy
This is what happens when a certain sort of criminal reaches critical mass. Their criminality becomes legalized.
39 posted on 08/27/2004 6:55:10 PM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Thanks much.

With a 21 - 14 vote, it couldn't have been an urgency measure, right? I'm still in the process of learning my way around that operation up there, so I'm often surprised by the disparity between the language of the rules and their practical application, but I think that one's still intact. True?


40 posted on 08/27/2004 6:56:39 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: ArmstedFragg

Correct, this is not an urgency measure. Even if Arnold were to lose his mind and sign it, there would be plenty of time to put it on hold with a referendum.


41 posted on 08/27/2004 6:58:10 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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ping


42 posted on 08/27/2004 6:59:22 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: JackelopeBreeder

"If Arnold does not veto this, a California license can and will be considered useless as identification. "

... and don't forget the other States that already allow them to get licenses... North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, Utah and Texas


43 posted on 08/27/2004 6:59:38 PM PDT by RS (Just because the SwiftVets are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: truthkeeper

It will be interesting to see if other states start refusing to honor the privilidges of a California Driver's License after this.


44 posted on 08/27/2004 7:02:55 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: truthkeeper

Doesn't Arnold have the line item veto power? I thought we did in California? Please help me with info here. If so, cannot Arnold line out all the driver's license portions?


45 posted on 08/27/2004 7:06:43 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: ElkGroveDan

How soon would Arnold have to sign or veto? I don't think we'll see a veto right before he goes to speak at the convention. The GOP bosses would freak out.


46 posted on 08/27/2004 7:07:36 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: RS

Actually there are about 14 states that have legalized illegals to drive on our roads.


47 posted on 08/27/2004 7:12:08 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

If our licenses aren't anygood for ID purposes if this passes, we'll be forced to carry our passports everywhere to prove who we really are, just like if we were strangers in our own country. Illegals are like leeches, draining the blood out of us.


48 posted on 08/27/2004 7:13:24 PM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Dan'll have the definitive answer, but Arnold has time. Off the top of my head, I think it's September 30. I don't expect any sudden moves.


49 posted on 08/27/2004 7:15:34 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: truthkeeper
Governor Schwarzennegger's office just sent this short memo to Capitol Staff and Press:

Governor Schwarzenegger devoted significant time and effort to working towards a viable piece of legislation with Senator Cedillo and has been clear about his public safety concerns ever since they began talking last December.

Issuing official identification such as a drivers' license to undocumented immigrants in this post-9/11 era is a very serious public policy and national security issue. The Governor has consistently been adamant that certain security standards would have to be met for the legislation to be viable.

This legislation does not contain provisions that would satisfy the national security concerns the Governor expressed. The Governor was very clear that he would veto any legislation that did not address those issues.

Sent by Schwarzenegger Deputy Communications Director, Katherine McClane at 7:00 pm tonight

50 posted on 08/27/2004 7:16:20 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Santorum 2008)
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