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Scientists fear new Ebola outbreak may explain sudden gorilla disappearance
Eurekalert ^ | 27 Aug 2004

Posted on 08/28/2004 5:31:20 AM PDT by Mother Abigail

Scientists fear new Ebola outbreak may explain sudden gorilla disappearance

More than 20,000 Western lowland gorillas could die within months if outbreak confirmed

August 27, 2004 (Torino, Italy) – Scientists fear that emerging evidence may suggest a new outbreak of the Ebola virus, which, in addition to threatening human lives, would threaten tens of thousands of great apes – in this case gorillas and chimpanzees – in the Republic of Congo. The announcement was made by the International Primatological Society (IPS) and Great Ape Survival Project (GRASP) at the IPS's 20th Congress, being held this week in Turin, Italy.

Congo's Odzala National Park, a UNESCO Biosphere Reserve, contains an estimated 30,000 western lowland gorillas (Gorilla gorilla gorilla), the largest such population of the endangered species in the world.

Until late last year, hundreds could regularly be spotted in Lokoue Bai, a natural clearing in the park where separate groups of the gorillas predictably congregated. But whereas 45 groups of gorillas (each with an average of eight individuals) were once normally observed there, the number since May has plummeted to only nine groups.

"We have not confirmed this as an outbreak of Ebola yet, but there are clear indications that we need to take that possibility seriously," said Dr. Dieudonnè Ankara, GRASP Focal Point for Congo-Brazzaville, who confirmed these recent developments. "This situation demands serious attention, since another Ebola outbreak would have devastating effects not only for wildlife, but for my neighbors who call the area home."

Fewer than 100,000 western lowland gorillas remain on Earth. A study published in the journal Nature last year suggested that when an ebola outbreak affects a given area, more than 80 percent of all great apes living in that area die of the disease.

Ebola outbreaks have already occurred in this general area. In the past two years, two reported cases were confirmed in Lossi Forest, approximately 50 kilometers south of Odzala. In both cases, more than 80 percent of all lowland gorillas and roughly 70 percent of all chimpanzees living there died.

Ebola hemorrhagic fever is a severe, often-fatal disease that affects humans and non-human primates, such as monkeys, gorillas and chimpanzees.

Researchers believe the disease, which first emerged in 1976, is zoonotic, or animal-borne. Many scientists believe it is spread through the butchering and handling of primate bushmeat. The disease has been confirmed only in six African nations: the Democratic Republic of Congo, the Republic of Congo, Gabon, Sudan, Côte d'Ivoire, and Uganda.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; congo; ebola; gorillas; health; outbreak; virus
This report expresses very reasonable concern about decline in colonies of primates in regions of the Republic of Congo and the neighboring countries which have had recent human outbreaks of Ebola hemorrhagic fever.

However, there has been no confirmed isolation of Ebola virus, either from humans or wild primates, in the Republic of Congo in recent weeks.

But, as many of you who follow these outbreaks know, rapid primate decline has been a leading indictator of a pending human Ebola outbreak.

M.A.

1 posted on 08/28/2004 5:31:20 AM PDT by Mother Abigail
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To: Mother Abigail

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0219_030219_ebolaorigin.html


2 posted on 08/28/2004 5:46:09 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg
"... new Ebola outbreak may explain sudden gorilla disappearance ..."

Have they blamed the Bush Administration yet?

3 posted on 08/28/2004 6:12:29 AM PDT by tom h
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To: Mother Abigail

Too bad it is gorillas and not guerillas!


4 posted on 08/28/2004 6:14:55 AM PDT by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: tom h

Give them time. It's about Kyoto/sarcasm


5 posted on 08/28/2004 6:17:01 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Mother Abigail

If the Great Apes go extinct due to Ebola, wouldn't this be nature taking its course? I know animal rights lovers may find this callous, but seriously. If a disease wipes out 80% of a species every time it pops up, and it pops up on average once a year or two, and the reproductive cycle of that species is roughly 1 offspring every 4 to 5 years... its seems that extinction is nature at work here.


6 posted on 08/28/2004 6:23:26 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: Mother Abigail
"Scientists fear new Ebola outbreak may explain sudden gorilla disappearance"

Why are Hillary and Janet Reno missing?

7 posted on 08/28/2004 6:26:21 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (I have the biggest organ in my town {;o))
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To: Mother Abigail
Scientists fear new Ebola outbreak may explain sudden gorilla disappearance

Nonsense poopypants! It means they have finally all evolved into Humans.

8 posted on 08/28/2004 6:27:41 AM PDT by TheExperiment_Is_Over
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To: HamiltonJay
If the Great Apes go extinct due to Ebola, wouldn't this be nature taking its course?

The same might be said of humans. Since we share a common susceptibility to the virus, I believe it's of dire concern. In particular since the spread to the ape population seems to indicate that the virus is continuing to spread, and it's lethality is not decreasing as it mutates.

9 posted on 08/28/2004 6:30:27 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: HamiltonJay

Exactly!
At the risk of sounding uncaring......... I don't....


10 posted on 08/28/2004 6:32:10 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Caipirabob

There is no doubt Ebola is a threat to humans, however humans have access to things Primates do not, #1, it appears at present that survival rates from Ebola have been rising in latest outbreaks, at one point it was believe upwards of 80% exposed die, now more accurate studies and analsys show that number to be closer to 50%. We also have been blessed with things by our creator that Apes have not, which has lead us to develop things like hospitals and scientific knowlege that will eventually and continually improve treatement for this disease.

Ebola is scary as it has a high mortality, and rapid death after exposure.. however Humans also know when an outbreak is occurring and behave approriately. It is not likely that Ebola will turn into a world wide outbreak in the modern age. Humanity has always managed to survive epidemics, by shifting our behaviors in accordance to them.

HIV is a far greater threat today in terms of numbers than Ebola is or likely will be, but it kills more slowly, and is almost completely a behavior driven disease. Would a major Ebola outbreak be a good thing? Of course not. However I don't see it as a major threat to humanities further existence on the planet.

At one time Smallpox was an easily transmittable, rapidly killing disease that horrified the world. However, humans largely adapted behaviors to keep the disease from every being a threat to the existence of the species, and over time developed treaments and immunizations for the very disease itself, as early as the 1700s if I am not mistake (perhaps even earlier) intentionally infecting oneself with Cow Pox was know to protect one for life from Small Pox in Europe and the new world.

Today the disease has been completely irradicated from the planet, and short of an accidental exposure in the lab or an intentional exposure by a terrorist group poses no real threat to human populations.


11 posted on 08/28/2004 6:41:51 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: HamiltonJay

I'm sorry Humanity never developed a treatment for Small Pox, just an immunization. I retract that claim it was in err.


12 posted on 08/28/2004 6:43:53 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: Mother Abigail

Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't it be a relatively simple matter to find out if that is the cause? It seems that if the gorillas are disappearing because they're dying it should be fairly easy to find the remains of one and test it, taking all proper precautions to prevent exposure to the disease, of course..


13 posted on 08/28/2004 6:45:30 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: HamiltonJay

Animal rights lovers could care less about human beings.


14 posted on 08/28/2004 6:46:48 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: HamiltonJay

Keep that in mind next time when your children are seriously ill.....

The great apes are in danger as are human beings...the loss of either is tragic...

people first apes second....

Ebola virus is nothing to sneeze at....

imo


15 posted on 08/28/2004 6:52:32 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: cyborg
Interesting article. I guess that answers my last post. This original post didn't make it clear that any testing had been done.

Wonder if there is a virus carried by democRATs that makes peoples' brains turn to mush.

16 posted on 08/28/2004 6:53:46 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: cyborg
"It's about Kyoto/sarcasm"

Well, we already know that Bush wants to destroy environment. Leave it those evil Republicans to engineer an outbreak of ebola! < /sarcasm >

17 posted on 08/28/2004 6:55:34 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: HamiltonJay

It is sad to lose significant numbers of a rare and interesting mammal...but I do confess to being tired of gorilla-worship.


18 posted on 08/28/2004 6:58:22 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Chicks for Cheney)
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To: sweetliberty

I think the animal rights wackos know that wild bushmeat carries the ebola virus. Can you imagine the outrage of monkey farming? That other freeper had a good point about dieases that kill eighty percent of a species. Most of the transmission is from hunters killing the gorillas for food,etc. I think their ultimate fantasy would be to have ebola happen to the human species so less animals get eaten. That's why they were so happy about mad cow.


19 posted on 08/28/2004 6:58:36 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: HamiltonJay
While I suppose it is a valid argument, from a purely logical point of view, it is against our nature from a humanitarian point of of view. Also, for people of faith, the scriptures direct us to be good stewards of our environment, tending it as a gardner who loves his garden or a shepherd who loves his sheep. When we see pain and suffering, it is natural for us to try and alleviate it, whether it is animal or human.

If you applied that same logic to humans, we wouldn't bother trying to find a cure for AIDS or cancer, or other devastating and fatal illnesses. So, from the perspective of cold, hard science, sure, it has a certain logic, but we have love and compassion and the desire to use the intelligence God gave us and it would be wrong not to do so. The trick is having enough wisdon to recognize the boundaries between our domain and that of God and nature.

20 posted on 08/28/2004 7:03:31 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: cyborg
"That's why they were so happy about mad cow."

I'm sure the cows were grateful.< /sarcasm >

21 posted on 08/28/2004 7:06:09 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: sweetliberty

"I am sure the cows were grateful"
I know you were making a joke but the Peta folks & others who want us to stop eating meat to save the cows don't realize it but, if we didn't raise cows for food they would be on the endangered species list.


22 posted on 08/28/2004 7:11:22 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

Those PITA "people" are idiots. They have no common sense or aptitude for critical thinking. They're a lot like democRATs. Oh wait.....most of them ARE democRATs. Never mind.


23 posted on 08/28/2004 7:13:53 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: sweetliberty

Right! LOL!

Maybe if/when all the gorillas in the wild have died off, ebola will not be a big problem in the human population. I can't see anyone raising gorillas for food like cattle.


24 posted on 08/28/2004 7:19:06 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: joesnuffy

I didn't say it was something to sneeze at... my goodness putting words in people's mouths. To argue "first apes, then humans" is a huge stretch in regards to Ebola.

If Ebola were to whipe out the Apes, it is no indication that it would "whipe out humans". That's just PC and PR nonsense. Yes Ebola is a serious disease and I am not suggesting treate it asnything less than that, but to claim as go apes so go humans is ecotrash mantra, not scientific fact.


25 posted on 08/28/2004 7:28:17 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: HamiltonJay
Humans also know when an outbreak is occurring and behave approriately

I take it that you are not familiar with African customs concerning the dead.

26 posted on 08/28/2004 7:30:18 AM PDT by Aracelis
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To: sweetliberty

Sweet Libert,

We attempt find cures for HIV and Cancer to save the lives of Humans, it was not Cancer among the animals or HIV among monkeys that drove us to persue conquering them.

Yes we are charged with responsibile stewardship over our world and its beasts by God. I am not advocating the wholesale slaughter of Apes to rid them from the planet. I am saying that if Ebola is whiping out 80% of apes with every outbreak and the species has 1 infant every 4 to 5 years, and outbreaks average 1 per year or so, apes will be going extinct by this, and if so its not man's fault.

I am not saying the extinction of the Apes is a noble thing, I am saying however that it does appear to be nature taking its course. To blame the extinction of the Ape on Humanity should it go extinct due to Ebola is of course going to be the charge of the ecotrash bretheren, however if a disease does kill 80% of individuals with every outbreak with a reproduction cycle of only 1 per ever 4 or 45 years, Extinction is the end game no matter what the population numbers, the only difference the base number of start individuals has, is how many years until the endgame.

To imply that one is not a person of faith just for stating facts is a bit dubious. To turn the statement of fact into an uncompassionate stand is again dubious. When you as a human see a cheetah chasing an injured, old or young Gazelle, our compassion may be to stop the Cheetah, however by doing so, we deny the Cheetah its ability to do what God put it here to do. Just because one feels compassionate for something, as nature on its base is VERY VERY HARSH, does not mean it is our duty as children of God to undermine or stop those actions.

While we have stewardship over the beasts of the fields, animals are not humans, and to raise them to the level of humans is an afront to the almighty. Just as Man is not God, and to do that as well is a blasphemous affront.


27 posted on 08/28/2004 7:43:45 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: Aracelis

And do african customs relegate to world wide exposure? No.. and do all african nations and people engage in ritualized cleansing? NO. In fact in areas that verbal history speaks of devestating outbreaks, not only are these practices not followed, but houses are built away from one another and not in a close communal location.

To attempt to lump all of "africa" into one behaviour because one behavior is prevalent in a part of Africa is nonsense. Its a continent and its people and tribes and cultures are just as diverse as any other continent on the planet, and are an amalgamtion of their history and communal experiences, and differ greatly from one area to another.


28 posted on 08/28/2004 7:47:18 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: HamiltonJay
"To imply that one is not a person of faith just for stating facts is a bit dubious"

It was not my intention to imply that. It was simply that I didn't know what your position was on matters of faith and I was simply saying that for anyone who believes in the scriptures, that that was the case. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

"Just because one feels compassionate for something, as nature on its base is VERY VERY HARSH, does not mean it is our duty as children of God to undermine or stop those actions"

That is why I qualified those stements by saying that exercising wisdom was the key.

29 posted on 08/28/2004 7:49:31 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: Mother Abigail

Uh oh.


30 posted on 08/28/2004 7:51:56 AM PDT by hershey
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To: HamiltonJay
And do african customs relegate to world wide exposure? No

Your contention used to be valid, but not anymore. Emergent diseases can hitch a ride on an airplane and be anywhere in the world in a matter of hours.

do all african nations and people engage in ritualized cleansing? NO

Quite true, not all African cultures participate in ritualized cleansing...but enough of them do to further the spread of disease.

But you have missed the point of the article posted, and your mind is not open to rational discussion. I am saddened that more than a few of our fellow posters to this thread are in the same boat.

31 posted on 08/28/2004 7:57:56 AM PDT by Aracelis
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To: Mother Abigail
That's too bad... I like gorillas. :(
32 posted on 08/28/2004 8:07:52 AM PDT by Porterville (How can the median price of a home in CA be 450,000 dollars? How? Where is the money?)
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To: HamiltonJay
Great post! Thanks for taking the time to write that response.
33 posted on 08/28/2004 9:16:40 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: HamiltonJay
and it pops up on average once a year or two

The ones who live have immunity and so will their offspring. This is how the Humans have survived the plague, smallpox, flu, etc.

34 posted on 08/28/2004 10:38:26 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Mother Abigail

Where's Dustin Hoffman when you need him? I'm sure he could solve this crisis. What was that movie he made? Wag The Outbreak... or something like that? Maybe he and PETA can go to the congo and start a campaign to get people to stop eating monkeys.


35 posted on 08/28/2004 11:18:07 AM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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