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Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief (John Lehman)
Sun Times ^ | August 28, 2004 | Thomas Lipscomb

Posted on 08/28/2004 7:30:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief

August 28, 2004

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB

Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature.

"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

The additional language varied from the two previous citations, signed first by Adm. Elmo Zumwalt and then Adm. John Hyland, which themselves differ. The new material added in the Lehman citation reads in part: "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (jg) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself...."

Asked how the citation could have been executed over his signature without his knowledge, Lehman said: "I have no idea. I can only imagine they were signed by an autopen." The autopen is a device often used in the routine execution of executive documents in government.

Kerry senior adviser Michael Meehan could not be reached for comment on Kerry's records.

Thomas Lipscomb is chairman of the Center for the Digital Future in New York


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Well, no this is starting to get very interesting.
1 posted on 08/28/2004 7:30:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave

??!!

Don't officials need to approve documents for signing by autopen?


2 posted on 08/28/2004 7:31:50 AM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: Grampa Dave

Oh, please, please, please, tell me this turns out to be a complete forgery! There is no way sKerry could wiggle his way out of that!


3 posted on 08/28/2004 7:31:51 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Isn't it a Federal crime to alter military documents?


4 posted on 08/28/2004 7:31:55 AM PDT by Rebelbase (John Kerry, sign form 180 .)
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To: Jim Robinson; Travis McGee; Fracas; Liz; Peach; backhoe; Ernest_at_the_Beach; RonDog

Well, this gets more interesting as each day evolves.


5 posted on 08/28/2004 7:32:06 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: Grampa Dave

I am hearing that the Kerry people aren't even answering MSM inquiries about this fabrication.


6 posted on 08/28/2004 7:32:14 AM PDT by mwl1
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To: ScottFromSpokane

I don't know.

We will probably find out.


7 posted on 08/28/2004 7:32:58 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: Grampa Dave

Way to go, Tom. Nailed Kerry again. This one should be good.


8 posted on 08/28/2004 7:33:34 AM PDT by doug from upland (John Kerry cried and asked TaRAYaz to make the SwiftVets stop)
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To: Grampa Dave
This also stinks to high heaven.

Lehman was Sec of the Navy during Reagan's Presidency----and John Kerry was by then a powerful Senator.

The only conclusion is that Kerry padded the citation and got some Navy underling to get is signed via autopen.

9 posted on 08/28/2004 7:34:05 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Grampa Dave

Well...Kerry wanted Viet Nam to be the centerpiece of his campaign. Looks like it might just be !


10 posted on 08/28/2004 7:34:33 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: ScottFromSpokane

I would think it's just the opposite. Routine and unimportant correspondence is signed with an autopen. Official documents and commendations would have to be signed personally.


11 posted on 08/28/2004 7:34:34 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Let's watch and see how they spin out of this. Of course with the MSM on their side, you may never see this anyplace else.


12 posted on 08/28/2004 7:34:55 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: Grampa Dave

Ow! Ouch! Ow!


13 posted on 08/28/2004 7:34:55 AM PDT by Wu
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To: Rebelbase

Yes, war crimes are punishable too, I don't see anything happening to him on that either.


14 posted on 08/28/2004 7:34:59 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: mwl1
I am hearing that the Kerry people aren't even answering MSM inquiries about this fabrication.

Well, I find that my deep curiosity compels me to reveal my ignorance. I've seen the acronym numerous times lately here on FR, but I can't figure its meaning. What the %^%^&*&^* does "MSM" stand for?

15 posted on 08/28/2004 7:35:15 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Grampa Dave

My, my. O what a tangled web he weaves! J Fraud Kerry.


16 posted on 08/28/2004 7:35:16 AM PDT by pieces of time
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To: Rebelbase
Isn't it a Federal crime to alter military documents?

Of course. Kerry would have had some member of his staff carry this out--but that make Kerry an accomplice.

17 posted on 08/28/2004 7:35:27 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Grampa Dave

Hmmm. It certainly is.

And this tidbit today from the Washington Post, another Kerry lie is revealed:

The Kerry campaign has refused to release Kerry's personal Vietnam archive, including his journals and letters, saying that the senator is contractually bound to grant Brinkley exclusive access to the material. But Brinkley said this week the papers are the property of the senator and in his full control.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201591/posts


18 posted on 08/28/2004 7:35:28 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Yet ANOTHER article in Chicago Suntimes questioning Kerry's record. I think (hope), perhaps, the MSM is begining to catch the scent of blood in the water.


19 posted on 08/28/2004 7:35:29 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: Grampa Dave
"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

Delicious.

20 posted on 08/28/2004 7:36:20 AM PDT by Petronski (Sometimes I'm just too damned cranky.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Lehman Secretary of the Navy from 1981-1987. Now why would Kerry get his signature on any Vietnam era doc? I remember seeing the doc andI thought it said Sec of the Navy next to Lehman's signature.

Whats' up with that.


21 posted on 08/28/2004 7:36:25 AM PDT by e_castillo
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To: Real Cynic No More

My best guess is "MainStream Media."


22 posted on 08/28/2004 7:36:26 AM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: Grampa Dave

btt


23 posted on 08/28/2004 7:36:32 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Grampa Dave

Bumping for later reference.


24 posted on 08/28/2004 7:36:52 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: ScottFromSpokane
The "Dogs of War" have been unleashed...Woof! Woof!

How are things up there in Spokane? I'm looking forward to my next trip up there in two years (college reunion).

25 posted on 08/28/2004 7:36:56 AM PDT by Night Hides Not
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To: Real Cynic No More

Main Stream Media


26 posted on 08/28/2004 7:37:11 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: tdadams; Travis McGee; Fracas; RonDog

"Oh, please, please, please, tell me this turns out to be a complete forgery! There is no way sKerry could wiggle his way out of that!"

A couple of weeks ago Travis pointed out that at that time the Navy used standard preprinted forms to fill out most paper work from battle reports, to injury reports to recommendations for commendations.

Kerry apparently took his own typewriter besides his own 8 mm camera. It would have been very easy to take a few of these forms and insert carbon paper and type in whatever he wanted.

Fracus pointed out that, his long time Wade R. Sanders, who was a river boat guy, also, served as an Asst Sec of the Navy. One can only imagine what was done to records under his watch.


27 posted on 08/28/2004 7:37:15 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: Real Cynic No More

MainStreamMedia or MilitantSocialistMedia


28 posted on 08/28/2004 7:37:28 AM PDT by Ancient_Pistoll
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To: Grampa Dave
"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

What????

29 posted on 08/28/2004 7:37:32 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Real Cynic No More
What the %^%^&*&^* does "MSM" stand for?

MainStream Media.

30 posted on 08/28/2004 7:37:36 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Grampa Dave

poseur exposed bump


31 posted on 08/28/2004 7:37:37 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Kerry was in the Senate???)
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To: Real Cynic No More
MSM = MainStream Media
32 posted on 08/28/2004 7:37:41 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: Rebelbase

"Isn't it a Federal crime to alter military documents?"

Yes!


33 posted on 08/28/2004 7:37:50 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: Grampa Dave
Big WOW! Is anything about Kerry real, I wonder?
34 posted on 08/28/2004 7:38:00 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Real Cynic No More
MSM (Acronym, from FR) - Main Stream Media (ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/NY Times/Wash Post, etc.)

Also, see "Lame Stream Media" (No acronym at this time)

35 posted on 08/28/2004 7:38:11 AM PDT by Bernard (Let Freedom Reign)
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To: Real Cynic No More

Some wags will also use LSM, presumably "Lame Stream Media," and MWDP, the "Media Wing of the Democrat Party."


36 posted on 08/28/2004 7:38:16 AM PDT by Petronski (Sometimes I'm just too damned cranky.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Well, my goodness. And just a few minutes ago on MSNBC, Bill Press announced that every smear against Kerry had been proven false, so case closed. Guess this is one he missed. Press looked like someone had just died.


37 posted on 08/28/2004 7:39:08 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Grampa Dave

Curiouser and curiouser. What a political debacle by the Kerry camp...


38 posted on 08/28/2004 7:39:30 AM PDT by veronica (http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/ - read the truth about John Kerry!)
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To: doug from upland
This and the latest testimony from a non- swiftie for truth retired admiral that Kerry wounded himself on the first purple heart. Hmm, Biden had to drop out just for using lines from a British politician's speech without attribution. Isn't all this looking a lot worse?

My guess is because Kerry was a senator, various Dept of Defense officials (even Republicans) just changed the citations each time at his request, or didn't question his version of the language.

39 posted on 08/28/2004 7:39:46 AM PDT by Williams
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To: Peach
But Brinkley said this week the papers are the property of the senator and in his full control.

Kerry will hide behind the publisher then, claiming exclusivity with them. But if they leave him hanging...

41 posted on 08/28/2004 7:39:55 AM PDT by Petronski (Sometimes I'm just too damned cranky.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Lehman is a liar.
He knows he was caught, and he could go to prison for doing what he did.
How much money did Lehman get for tweaking Kerry's records?
Why was Lehman selected for the 9/11 Commission? Was he put there to make Bush take a hit so Kerry could get a bump?


42 posted on 08/28/2004 7:40:21 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: ScottFromSpokane
Don't officials need to approve documents for signing by autopen?

Autopens are very useful for high ranking officials who have to sign literally thousands of documents per year---but they have to be carefully controlled.

This is usually the job of the Executive Officer. The Secretary of the Navy usually has more than one Exec---probably about 4 officers --usually in the rank of 0-5 or 0-6 (Commander and Captain).

Autopens are large machines--about the size of a 1/2 or 1/4 a ping pong table. They are usually kept in a locked room and highly controlled so that they cannot be misued.

43 posted on 08/28/2004 7:40:26 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Grampa Dave

Does someone have a link to the document in question?


44 posted on 08/28/2004 7:40:44 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: mwl1; MeekOneGOP; Smartass; devolve

"I am hearing that the Kerry people aren't even answering MSM inquiries about this fabrication."

One of the people the rats don't want to tangle with or try to smear is John Lehman.


Someone needs to save any pictures and references to any medals on moi Kerri's website. If any are still on his site, they will be gone before the day is over.


45 posted on 08/28/2004 7:40:47 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: Grampa Dave

WOW!!


46 posted on 08/28/2004 7:41:46 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Now with 23% more sarcasm than last year's Freeper!)
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To: doug from upland

"Way to go, Tom. Nailed Kerry again. This one should be good."

Tom has been doing some good nailing hasn't he?


47 posted on 08/28/2004 7:41:48 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: Grampa Dave
"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

Hey, John... how's this for "bringing it on." huh? Huh? LIKE it, do ya...? :)

48 posted on 08/28/2004 7:42:08 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Night Hides Not

Gonzaga, huh? They have a pretty active College Republican crowd.


49 posted on 08/28/2004 7:42:16 AM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: Grampa Dave

It is becoming, to quote Jacquestrap Kerry's mentor, Teddy Kennedy, "Lie after lie after lie after lie."


50 posted on 08/28/2004 7:42:20 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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