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Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief (John Lehman)
Sun Times ^ | August 28, 2004 | Thomas Lipscomb

Posted on 08/28/2004 7:30:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief

August 28, 2004

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB

Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature.

"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

The additional language varied from the two previous citations, signed first by Adm. Elmo Zumwalt and then Adm. John Hyland, which themselves differ. The new material added in the Lehman citation reads in part: "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (jg) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself...."

Asked how the citation could have been executed over his signature without his knowledge, Lehman said: "I have no idea. I can only imagine they were signed by an autopen." The autopen is a device often used in the routine execution of executive documents in government.

Kerry senior adviser Michael Meehan could not be reached for comment on Kerry's records.

Thomas Lipscomb is chairman of the Center for the Digital Future in New York


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
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To: Cboldt
Those are boilerplate differences. No substance in them covers the action that lead to the award.

Agree as I indicated, but why was the Lehman signed Bronze Star citation identical to Zumwalts and the last sentence on the Silver Star citation cahnged from the Hyland version? Rather odd, don't you think?

201 posted on 08/28/2004 8:20:09 AM PDT by kabar
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To: hoosiermama

Whoa, Nelly. So the completely fake citation wasn't laudatory enough. He had to concoct and even better one. When Kerry and surrogates started yelling all over the place about "them" questioning his patriotism, I kept looking around and it just wasn't happening, so I wondered. Now it's pretty clear that he knew his patriotism was (and is) very questionable, and it was nothing more than a cheap trick to try and innoculate himself against the TRUTH. Thank you, Swifties, again and again. You too, hm, for the ping.


202 posted on 08/28/2004 8:21:14 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: Grampa Dave

I saw this Lipscomb guy on TV last night--Scarborough maybe--he was terrific--he has been doing some real investigative journalism under the radar and deserves our respect.


203 posted on 08/28/2004 8:21:15 AM PDT by foreshadowed at waco
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To: e_castillo

Yea, what's up, 3 citations? What's up with that? Is someone trying to rewrite history?


204 posted on 08/28/2004 8:21:22 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: kabar; Grampa Dave
Who else would have PH3 on his license plates?

Tells where he lives doesn't it.....he has built a facade to buttress his case for always taking over the Oval Office....

Talk about leaving a LEGACY .... this guy makes Clinton look like a piker in his intense preparation to achieve HIS goal....forget about any of his concerns in serving the people.

I wonder, does he kiss the babies only while campaigning?

205 posted on 08/28/2004 8:21:54 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
Lehman was SecNav 1981 to 1987, I believe, and Kerry wasn't in the Senate until 1984.

Correct--and the dates you yourself cited show that Lehman was SecNav while Kerry was a Senator. What is the dispute?

Unless all Senators are 'powerful Senators', a first term Senator ought not necessarily be called powerful.

Oh give me a break! There are only 100 of them in the entire United States! You do not believe a Senator, any Senator, can be classified by the term "powerful?" Being a "junior" Senator makes little difference in this case. Any Senator has enormous clout, power, and privilege.

206 posted on 08/28/2004 8:22:04 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: ken5050

Good point. Perhaps, Kerry didn't want any attention on what he was doing because it would raise questions given the fact that he stated in 1971 that he threw away his medals.


207 posted on 08/28/2004 8:22:45 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Real Cynic No More

I, too, wondered and wondered. Finally decided it means Main Stream Media.


208 posted on 08/28/2004 8:23:09 AM PDT by Bushiefan
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To: kabar
If he just asked for replacement citations, then it says something about Kerry's character and mental stablility.

I am beginning to have some serious questions about the latter.

Earlier this morning, I spent some time reading the transcript of David Limbaugh's interview with O'Neill. I was struck by O'Neill's tale about Kerry's theatrics in front of the camera, which several of his crewmates found odd.

About a month ago, another poster on FR who was discussing Kerry's rumored dalliances with Hollywood starlets, posted something similar. Apparently the gossip is that Kerry had an odd penchant for watching himself in the mirror while otherwise occupied in bed.

209 posted on 08/28/2004 8:23:29 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: Grampa Dave
"It is a total mystery to me. I saw it before I never saw it. I signed it before I never signed it. I approved it before I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was written by me ... before it wasn't..."


210 posted on 08/28/2004 8:23:44 AM PDT by martin_fierro (_____oooo_( )_oooo_____)
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To: Cboldt
Why would he need a replacement citation if the original Silver Star citation is on record and available for comparison?

Why would anything, even "boilerplate" language, be changed in the replacement citation?

There is something very "smelly" here, but apparently you have become accustomed to the odor.

211 posted on 08/28/2004 8:23:48 AM PDT by been_lurking
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To: mystery-ak
Hmmmmmm...I just saw Lehman the other morning(I think Fox & Friends) say that he signed the papers authorizing the replacement medals/ribbons for Kerry...which were *lost*....(someone should look on the WH lawn)

OK then .. why is this article reporting something different??

212 posted on 08/28/2004 8:24:24 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

bump


213 posted on 08/28/2004 8:24:56 AM PDT by crude77
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To: hoosiermama
That's really corny!:^)

hehe! :^D


214 posted on 08/28/2004 8:25:20 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Bahbah

He's so in the habit of lying and manipulating I wonder if John Fraud Kerry even knows what is true and what is false.
God help us if he get elected.


215 posted on 08/28/2004 8:25:49 AM PDT by hoosiermama (NAM Vet's Revenge.......It's about time.)
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To: Grampa Dave; maica; Freee-dame

In the 1960s and through the 1980s Navy admin ran on triplicated standard forms. The forms were kept in the custody of Navy enlisted yeomen and personellmane (YNs and PNs). This was pre-computer, folks! The way the system worked was that orders, evaluations, citations etc were typed on these standard forms, and signed by commanding officers or other authorized signers.

The copies of the filled-out and signed form were sent by Navy internal mail to other commands and up the chain of command for review and action. Eventually, citations became part of your permanent record, after review by the appropriate higher authorities.

This is where Kerry's personal typewriter may have been very very handy in Viet Nam.

I wonder if he put himself in for his first PH, which went in again after being denied, months later?

I have an example of misuse of bogus Navy forms: I knew a very clever Navy enlisted man during my time in SEAL team in the 1980s. He was assigned to the West Coast SEALs, and didn't want to get an apartment or live in the barracks during 5 or 6 months he would be in San DIego between cruises. He filched a Navy standard form for "orders" assigning him to the Navy Marine Mammal detatchment in San Diego. He made up a bogus name, "Ensign Smith" or whatever. He presented the bogus "orders" to the night staff at the Bachelor Officers' Quarters in San Diego, and was assigned a room. He lived there for 6 months, just keeping a low profile, coming and going in PT gear or civvies.

That's just one example of how Navy standard forms could be misused. I have also heard of "imposters" joining ships' companies by presenting bogus "orders" they created. Some were very gifted nutcases who just wanted to be in the Navy, but for whatever reason couldn't join. By filching Navy standard forms, and filling them out correctly, they were able to jump into the system, as it were. In time they'd get caught because other records didn't exist.

In Kerry's case, he may have "created" some of his own after action reports and valor citations, with his personal typewriter, and misappropriated Navy standard forms.


216 posted on 08/28/2004 8:25:58 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Ancient_Pistoll
MilitantSocialistMedia

I like that one!

217 posted on 08/28/2004 8:25:59 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Cboldt

Reread the article. This isn't a replacement citation. There is added strong language praising Kerry.


218 posted on 08/28/2004 8:26:05 AM PDT by Nov3 (Don't let the press spin you. Keep your eye on the ball. Get Kerry to sign the 180.)
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To: Real Cynic No More

Also see "SLIMES"


219 posted on 08/28/2004 8:26:23 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: foreshadowed at waco

I thought everybody went to journalism scholl wanting to be the next Woodward/Bernstein. Kerry's medalgate is too target rich to pass up.


220 posted on 08/28/2004 8:26:46 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: e_castillo

One of the FNC military analysts--Cowen maybe?--said that he had to get copies of one of his citations--it was literally a copy--said that Kerry getting 3 differently worded citations over the years for the same medal is irregular. This Lehman signed one is apparently the 3rd write-up--each one has increasingly glowing language. It seems obvious that Kerry has been puffing up his resume on a steady basis over the years...what a creep.


221 posted on 08/28/2004 8:26:48 AM PDT by foreshadowed at waco
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To: kabar
Agree as I indicated, but why was the Lehman signed Bronze Star citation identical to Zumwalts and the last sentence on the Silver Star citation cahnged from the Hyland version? Rather odd, don't you think?

I don't know for a fact, but I think the differences are all administrative in nature. That is, boilerplate language evolution, administrative SOP in issuing replacement citation, etc.

As you (I think it was you) pointed out, the lie that Kerry is caught in here is that he never threw his medals away. He did, and he obtained replacements. That would be proven by revelation of all requests to the Navy, from Kerry, regarding replacement "anything." Probably one or two of the 94 unreleased pages.

222 posted on 08/28/2004 8:27:11 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: mass55th

Hmmmm...Bronze Star and Silver Star citations look identical to me, whereas the 9/11 report signature is different. Could have been autopen, then, for the Silver Star citation.


223 posted on 08/28/2004 8:27:22 AM PDT by shezza (God bless the Swiftees -- they're risking it all to defend their country AGAIN!)
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To: Grampa Dave

I remember a guy in our unit a few years ago that faked a medal or two and also gave himself the rank of corporal. He was also nutty as a fruitcake and got out on a section 8 (or whatever it is called nowdays).

If Kerry did fake his own medals while Senator wouldn't that be an impeachble offence and shouldn't the House of Representives call up an Impeachment Procedure on him.


224 posted on 08/28/2004 8:27:34 AM PDT by Swiss
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To: Grampa Dave

225 posted on 08/28/2004 8:28:03 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: Cboldt
If you would take the time to read the two citations, and compare them, you would know that the Lehman-autopen-signed citation contains no padding.

Really? Then, how do you explain this:

”The additional language varied from the two previous citations, signed first by Adm. Elmo Zumwalt and then Adm. John Hyland, which themselves differ. The new material added in the Lehman citation reads in part: "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (jg) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself...."

226 posted on 08/28/2004 8:28:14 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Cboldt
The citations signed by Lehman are most likely "replacement citations," provided at Kerry's request, after a review of the relevant military records indicated that Kerry was entitled to the citation. Requests for replacement medals and citations are routine, and can occur due to loss in fire, loss due to neglect, etc.

The routine procedure for replacement of a citation does not include re-issuing it. A lost or damaged citation is normally replaced with a certified copy of the original.

Issuing a new citation, especially with the original language modified, is way outside of standard operating procedures.

227 posted on 08/28/2004 8:28:27 AM PDT by Bob
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To: jpsb
Yea, what's up, 3 citations? What's up with that? Is someone trying to rewrite history?

There were 3 citations for the Silver Star: Zumwalt's was the suggested citation, which is usually included on the award nomination form. I do find it odd that it is on Zumwalt's letterhead and not just on the award nomination form. The second citation by Hyland (CINCPAC) is the final one by the approving authority. The third citation signed by Lehman is for a replacement citation and perhaps replacmeent medals.

228 posted on 08/28/2004 8:28:54 AM PDT by kabar
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To: TomGuy
you will notice that Kerry amended his DD214 with a DD215. Among other things, Kerry burnishes his Vietnam Service medal by adding four bronze service stars to reflect various campaigns.

And, as has been stated earlier, Kerry was only eligible for two of those four Bronze service stars during his tour of duty.

He clearly was defrauding the system to embellish his service career to impress voters. The fact that he thought he could get away with all of this fraudulent "revision" says everything you need to know about both his character and his intelligence. He's just a liar who is too stupid to think he would ever get caught.

229 posted on 08/28/2004 8:29:32 AM PDT by been_lurking
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To: been_lurking
Why would anything, even "boilerplate" language, be changed in the replacement citation?

Eveolution of administrative procedures. A diploma from my HS, issued today, looks a=nd reads different from a diploma issued when I graduated. Nothing bizzare about that.

There is something very "smelly" here, but apparently you have become accustomed to the odor.

Ummm, no. I am protecting my own credibility by not jumping to conclusions.

230 posted on 08/28/2004 8:30:01 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
I better go get a copy of my local paper - the Oregonian - and see if they are COVERING this!

No,wait. I'll go turn on the TV. Maybe See-BS and NBC are breaking this with a bulleting.

Darn. Guess I'll just have to watch it on my new, FreepTV. Or read about it in a half-million blogs covering it in detail.

231 posted on 08/28/2004 8:30:12 AM PDT by CT (Oppose Left Wing Anti-American 'Hatriotsim)
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To: Real Cynic No More

Also see "SLIMES".


232 posted on 08/28/2004 8:31:06 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: Grampa Dave

Do we know for sure that Kerry was in Viet Nam?


233 posted on 08/28/2004 8:32:17 AM PDT by woofie (What Do You Call a Boomerang That Doesn't work? ...a stick)
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To: Grampa Dave
TRANSCRIPT: 8/26/04
Steve Gardner, Foregunner, PCF44:
http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/gardner2.mpg

"I spent more time on John Kerry's boat than any other crewmember.

John Kerry hasn't been honest - he has been deceitful.

John Kerry claims that he spent Christmas, in 1968, in Cambodia.

And that is catagorically a lie. Not in December. Not in January.

We were never in Cambodia on a secret mission. Ever."


Ramsey Clark to Join Panel for Saddam’s Defense

arabnews press release 25 August 2004


NOTE :
Ramsey Clark is pictured below with Kerry and
Vietnam phony vet Al Hubbard
Who was head of the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement.



Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam.
The only Vietnamese he ever met was
when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation:
"He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

NEW:
FReeper smith288 has an online version of
Kerry's "The New Soldier"
You can read it without downloading pdf files!
CLICK HERE


The New Soldier, (46 pages)
By John Kerry
and Vietnam Veterans
Against the War

PART I (pdf file)
PART II (pdf file)
PART III (pdf file)

Kerry hopes everyone
in the USA gets this book!

NEW:
“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW
CLICK HERE


Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State University in 1969;
"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope,
you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communist."

Joe Moore, Can Tho Airfield 550th Signal Company


Copy and paste the links to everyone you know.

Send this url for the Steve Gardner video

http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/gardner2.mpg

Send this url for the online version

http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/newsoldier/

Send this url for the Stolen Honor website

http://www.stolenhonor.com/


Print this out (46 pages) and disribute it,
especially to the liberals you know.

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Inro.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier.pdf

http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Epilogue.pdf

234 posted on 08/28/2004 8:32:19 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hippie Dippie Hanoi Kerry and Hippie Dippie Hanoi Jane sitting in a tree! F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: Grampa Dave

I sense a Toricelli switcheroo brewing.


235 posted on 08/28/2004 8:32:20 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: Nov3
Reread the article. This isn't a replacement citation. There is added strong language praising Kerry.

I agree that it is not a reproduction of the original citation. I believe the additional laudatory langauge represents standard boilerplate language for citations issued in that timeframe, and is not "special" or "unique" to Kerry's citation.

236 posted on 08/28/2004 8:32:33 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
I don't know for a fact, but I think the differences are all administrative in nature. That is, boilerplate language evolution, administrative SOP in issuing replacement citation, etc.

That still doesn't explain it as far as one remaining unchanged and the other not. I find it odd that we have to come up with all kinds of theories to explain these clear discrepancies. Kerry needs to release all of his records. We need to see a copy of his request for replacement citations and perhaps medals. The facts are there. We shouldn't have to guess at the reasons.

237 posted on 08/28/2004 8:33:14 AM PDT by kabar
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To: garyhope

Second consecutive story by Lipscomb in as many days.

Neither this reporter nor his paper are conservative. This may have some legs.


238 posted on 08/28/2004 8:33:23 AM PDT by mwl1
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To: martin_fierro
The DUllards over at you-know-where are in complete, hands clasped to ears, eyes squeezed shut, "la-la-la-la-I-can't-HEEEEEAAAAAAR-you" denial over this latest bombshell.

Sweeeeeeeeeet. :)

239 posted on 08/28/2004 8:34:02 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Swiss
If Kerry did fake his own medals while Senator wouldn't that be an impeachble offence and shouldn't the House of Representives call up an Impeachment Procedure on him.

There are records from 1968 and 1969 regarding the awards. Kerry is in the Senate, they can remove him from the Senate. Legistalors are not "impeached" by Congress, only Executives and Judges are.

240 posted on 08/28/2004 8:34:24 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: TomGuy

This document lists a "corrected" separation date of 03/01/70. Given his "post separation" activities what was the original separation date?


241 posted on 08/28/2004 8:35:32 AM PDT by Nov3 (Don't let the press spin you. Keep your eye on the ball. Get Kerry to sign the 180.)
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To: Cboldt; Grampa Dave
Thanks for the links!

I saved this to my Kerry Folder (from your 1st link):

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Silver_Star.pdf

And here is the text from your second one:

28 FEB 1969 Bay Hap River
Three PCFs were traveling up the Bay Hap River with 70 South Vietnamese Militia investigating an area where the boats were ambushed the previous night. During the patrol, the boats came under heavy fire from the shore. Kerry, serving as the Officer in Tactical Command of the mission, ordered the units to turn toward the fire and beach. As the boats approached shore, more than 20 Viet Cong troops stood up and ran. They were quickly overrun when the Marines troops reached the shore. While the Militia searched the area, PCFs 23 and 94 left to investigate another site where an Army advisor reported gunshots. Returning from the site, a B-40 rocket exploded close to PCF94, blowing out one of the windows. Kerry again ordered the units to turn into the fire and charge the ambush site. PCF 94 landed in the center of ambush and a man jumped up holding a B-40 rocket launcher and started to run. The forward M-60 gunner on PCF94 wounded him in the leg as Kerry jumped off the boat and chased him inland behind a hooch and shot him. Marines swept the area, and received fire from snipers and small arms that was suppressed with the assistance of mortars and gunfire from the swiftboats. The landing parties found vast stores of rice, ammunition and clothing. The boats were fired on one additional time as they were heading back down the river. The site of the second ambush was believed to be a major Viet Cong supply point. Kerry received the Silver Star for this operation.


242 posted on 08/28/2004 8:35:47 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: SkyPilot
the dates you yourself cited show that Lehman was SecNav while Kerry was a Senator. What is the dispute?

I don't know when Lehman issued the replacement citation except that he issued it while SecNav, and Lehman was SecNav before and after Kerry became a Senator.

A minor point, perhaps, but we can't say that Lehman issued the replacement citation while Kerry was a Senator until we have a date on the replacement citation.

Oh give me a break! There are only 100 of them in the entire United States! You do not believe a Senator, any Senator, can be classified by the term "powerful?"

Whoa ... hold on.

The original post. I was focusing on the adjective. Why add 'powerful'?

I thought you were implying something about Kerry and Lehman. I was mistaken, I apologize. You were implying something about getting a Navy underling.
243 posted on 08/28/2004 8:35:48 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney, too.)
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To: Just mythoughts; Grampa Dave

Sanders could have done it...gotten the Lehman signature.

Very good....


244 posted on 08/28/2004 8:35:55 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Hey Grampa,

Check out this post and this thread:

"Sanders' connection with Kerry dates back to before when the two served in Vietnam. Sanders and David Thorn, Kerry's brother-in-law, were shipmates and shared an apartment in Belmont Shore, where Kerry "became a resident of our couch," according to Sanders. Through the years, Sanders said he and Kerry have remained friends. Sanders, who was a former deputy assistant secretary of the Navy, has been campaigning for Kerry across the country. He has also been critical of Bush on veterans' issues for many years."

245 posted on 08/28/2004 8:36:56 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SkyPilot
Really? Then, how do you explain this:
The new material added in the Lehman citation reads in part: "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (jg) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself...."

It's boilerplate language. The descriptions of Kerry's action "in battle" are the same.

The only reason I am expressing my opinion on this matter is that I don't like to see well-meaning folks go off half-cocked, and/or tilt at windmills.

246 posted on 08/28/2004 8:36:59 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: kabar
Among other things, Kerry burnishes his Vietnam Service medal by adding four bronze service stars to reflect various campaigns. This was done in March 2001!!! Why anyone would go through that effort to make some meaningless changes is beyond me.

The Navy has also said that four campaign stars is also a falsification as Kerry is only entitled to two campaign stars.

The reason a politician would make those changes is to impress the liberal media and the uninformed voter.

When liberal reporters or uninformed voters read, "Silver Star with Combat V" on Kerry's capaign web page they think, "Wow! What a war hero!!"

When informed voters with military experience read, "Silver Star with Combat V" on Kerry's capaign web page they think, "Wait a minute! There is no such award!?!?"

247 posted on 08/28/2004 8:37:11 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Grampa Dave
I'm sure that Hugh, Sean and Rush will be discussing this next week. So even if the MSM spikes this story, it will have legs.

YES! We are back to the essence of what makes it fun to be a Republican. The MSM in denial, and Rush hammering on a story that the MSM leaves to him, while they get all angsty about not supporting the Party of the Left enough. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

248 posted on 08/28/2004 8:37:33 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Interesting Times

This is the kind of meat and potatoes information that will be JfnK's ultimate undoing. Developing............


249 posted on 08/28/2004 8:37:44 AM PDT by ride the whirlwind (Sorry, Mr. Kerry....In the parlance popularized by your wife, you can just "shove it.")
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To: Grampa Dave; neverdem; Congressman Billybob; Hon; Howlin; kabar

I gee..........

THIS I never expected!

HHHHmmmmmn.

Could "this" be the "October surprise" that HIllary has been waiting for to replace Kerry?


250 posted on 08/28/2004 8:37:52 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!))
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