Skip to comments.Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief (John Lehman)
Posted on 08/28/2004 7:30:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief
August 28, 2004
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB
Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature.
"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.
The additional language varied from the two previous citations, signed first by Adm. Elmo Zumwalt and then Adm. John Hyland, which themselves differ. The new material added in the Lehman citation reads in part: "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (jg) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself...."
Asked how the citation could have been executed over his signature without his knowledge, Lehman said: "I have no idea. I can only imagine they were signed by an autopen." The autopen is a device often used in the routine execution of executive documents in government.
Kerry senior adviser Michael Meehan could not be reached for comment on Kerry's records.
Thomas Lipscomb is chairman of the Center for the Digital Future in New York
No worries Mike--and I apologize as well.
I think Kerry's camp made a major mistake by releasing the Lehman signed citations. They thought that they would add more luster to Kerry's record, not realizing that it raises more questions, especially if it involves replacement medals.
Wasn't he in the reserves until 1978?
I remember a Freeper back in April or so caught the three citations business plus Lehman's signature.
It was interesting because Lehman was at that very time high profile as a co-chair of the 9/11 Commission.
How clever of a reporter to ask Lehman about it.
Actually, kudos to Lipscomb who has been doing the basic job I expect from a reporter. Digging and talking to the players in a given story. It was Lipscomb who found witnesses placing Kerry at the November 1971 "Assassination" meeting in Kansas City.
Keep digging, Tom Lipscomb. America thanks you.
Didn't see that one. Quite a bit different, actually. Thanks.
thanks for posting that.
Of course, the democrats can ignore rules ... in certain states, ala torocelli, but it seems weird that they could get by with it nationally.
but what if something drastic happened to remove Kerry from contention, i.e. illness; if he withdrew, etc.
Who would be the nominee then? Would it be Edwards or would it just go to the convention as in the old days?
Does anyone know?
Silver Star Signature:
9/11 Report Signature:"
The first two are clearly autopen signatures. You can tell because there are no "tails", where the pen is gradually lifted off the paper while moving. In other words all the lines end abruptly, as if the pen stopped moving then was lifted.
The third is clearly a hand signature. You can see the tails. Plus the first two are identical, while the third shows some variation.
Does anyone have dates for the first two signatures? or is that info lost forever?
When you decide to run for public office in America, your life becomes an open book for all to see. John Kerry refuses to open his life book. The obvious question arises. What's he hiding?
Kerry didn't throw the citations over the fence.
He threw the ribbons/medals before he didn't throw someone else's medals/ribbons.
Kerry keeps trying to say medals/ribbons are interchangeable, when in fact they are not. Protocol stipulates which uniforms you wear either the ribbon or the medals with.
it's interesting but let's get real here.. if everything they have on Kerry now up to this point isn't enough, nothing ever will be.. we could have films of kerry shooting his own men and nothing would happen..
Oops, I read through the citations again and wound up posting to myself. Try this again...
The last sentence in the two silver star citations are indeed different. Quite a bit different. Thanks.
The thing I don't get is HOW could the Kerry people believe they would not get caught if this was a fake 'silver star' or whatever?
Heck, my pet alligator won a silver star too, in vietnam, or laos or cambodia... total fabrication and outright lies.
Was this their plan, to push kerry's false medals, and then cry foul over exposure of such outright lies that even a three year old KNOWS the F'r is lying out his ass?
I don't get it.
can anyone spell forgery, or does a signature stamp not count?
That would be the same Bill Press that just finished up his book tour. What is the book about? Why, it's about how evil Bush is and why you shouldn't vote for him in November.
(The book bombed, by the way. Current Amazon rank as I write this: 4,360.)
When you don't have diversity of ideals in the media, this is what happens.
Who in the MSM, besides Ollie North, is qualified to write, know, and understand what is being put forth as gospel? Nobody.
Hire more military people on the staff and this type of garbage wouldn't have even propelled Kerry out of the primaries.
Has anyone seen this on any MSM other than the Chicago Paper and the Drudge site? I think it will have to come to light - just too strange to ignor.....
Sure. It's all lies! Lies! There are no questions about the Silver Star! No! Never!
Hey, welcome to Free Republic.
My 12 year old and his friend yell "Liar" every time they see his ugly mug on T.V.
Kerry dumped 10 lbs. of socks and underwear in order to take his typewriter along in his 90 lb. limited bag duffle bag when he went to war! (I read this in an exerpt from one of the Swiftees...sorry, don't remember which one.)
Is Botox Johnny handy with Photoshop?
My guess is they didn't know or didn't bother to check it all out before releasing the documents
Numerous posts before yours made
side by side comparisons clearly
showing puffed up language has
been added to the Lehman-signed,
3rd Citation. If Kerry's site has
the real deal, and isn't hiding
something, then I don't get your
The changed lang. has been shown
on this thread. Repeatedly.
If there was a simple administrative explanation for "all this", it would have been released already.
You can easily deduce that something is rotten by working back from Hehman's staement. He basically said that he knows nothing about the reissuance of Kerry's medals. Thiis has to be true. There is NO way in the world that a SECNAV would not attempt to milk for PR purposes a medal cermemony, even paperwork, involving a sitting US Senator..
"Kerry dumped 10 lbs. of socks and underwear in order to take his typewriter along in his 90 lb. limited bag duffle bag when he went to war!"
LOL! I was just thinking about that.
Time magazine...Eleanor Clift.
Someone should photoshop Kerry's ugly head into that photo.
LOL! I saved the pic, Grampa. I'll send ya the URL when it's done.
just the kind of morons we can trust with the ship of state...
too stupid for public office.
kerry may end up losing his senate seat over this stuff.
surely he knows that he is now vulnerable, or is he too stupid to figure that out too?
There was a story last week that Kerry was planning on campaigning next week. This violates the gentlemens' rule of presidential campaigns which states that during the other party's convention, you take a vacation and keep a low profile. Bush did during the DNC. If Kerry doesn't, it will just be one more piece of evidence as to what a jerk he is.
As I said, back in April I distinctly recalled a Freeper noticing this and raising this very question so I just Googled "Free Republic + Silver Star + Lehman" and found it. Note the thread title refers to the "Bronze", but it's the Lehman issue that was noticed and raised:
Posted on 04/22/2004 10:49:24 AM PDT by moondoggie
How come the paperwork on Kerry's Bronze Star Award is signed by John Lehman, Sec. of the Navy????
In addition, the date Lehman (supposedly) signed it is not on the document.
Did Kerry not get the award when Chaffee was Secretary of the Navy? If not, why not?
Did Kerry get the award 15 years late?
Or is the paperwork a "sham" and somebody made a big booboo?
I'll post the document as soon as I find it again. Maybe somebody here has it bookmarked? And, if there's already been a thread on this that I missed....please direct me to the proper thread.
He is counting on the media to discredit his accusers.
So you are saying that this line, "his actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of the US Naval Service," was replaced "By his brave action, bold initiative and unwavering devotion to duty Lieutenant Kerry reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the US Naval Service," as part of the evolution of language?
I'm not going to argue about that because I don't know, though it seems suspect to apply retroactively. And remember, Democrats are extending this language (bravery, bold initiative and unwavering devotion) to characterize his lying testimony before the Senate. I think the addition of this language would have specfic value to a man trying to frame that entire period of his life as one of patriot, not traitor.
Normally you wouldn't get anything changed, you would just get a 'official reproduction' made from the artwork on file. I think this is the point Lehman is trying to make.
The original citation is probably stored as artwork, not just a copy. Old printing techniques did it this way. They would take a blank piece of parchment and shoot the old artwork onto that. It would likely include the original signature. If the artwork wasn't available then you just make a reproduction copy of a real 'old' version and sign it with the original signature with an autopen.
As an example there are plenty of reproduction copies of various US founding documents. These are made to high standards so the reproduction copies can be used for display. I have a reproduced US Constitution, suitable for framing, as an example.
Most people would want a historically accurate reproduction of medal citations, rather than just a rewritten copy with the same words. Someone knows exactly what the procedures and policies are, so it would not be too hard to get to the bottom of this.
You are right, something smells funny here. Especially since the actual citation words were rewritten, not the boilerplate. Someone was trying to beef up their historical record ... IMHO.
Yikes, This is a blockbuster.
One theory I heard was that Kerry wanted to 'upgrade' his citation either because he's a vain little twit or because then it would be unthinkable to even question it...or both.
The first citation being from what, a two-star admiral... the next being to a higher ranking one... and finally the Secretary of the navy himself.
Mo1...recall that Kerry's own campaign people got him confused with Bob Kerrey on the Intelegence Committee.
And maybe they have been sloppy knowing that the media was there to protect him.
They didn't factor in Free Republic researchers, Blogs, FoxNews and investigative reporters like Thomas Lipscomb.
Well done, Grampa. Each time his 'citation' is rewritten the language gets ever more floral. I'm not all that thrilled with the way Lehman has handled himself on the commission, but these rewrites have sKerry's tone in the words...
Stay Safe Dave !
I stand corrected. He actually does legitimately deserve 4 campaign stars.
Kerry's time on the Gridley cruise overlapped those two campaign periods.
His Swift boat time also overlapped two campaign periods, Vietnamese Counteroffensive Phase VI (2 Nov 68 - 22 Feb 69) and Tet 69/Counteroffensive (23 Feb 69 - 8 Jun 69).
It's still there.
The Rear Admiral who just stepped forward and said he was on the Boston Whaler with Kerry.......and who didn't file a after action report....because of no action.
Here is my theory......what if one was filed.....by Kerry.
I think that is why he is hiding his records.
They've been saying that for months but it still isn't true.
That after action report would not be in his personal records. It would be archived with Swift Boat records at the National Archives.