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Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief (John Lehman)
Sun Times ^ | August 28, 2004 | Thomas Lipscomb

Posted on 08/28/2004 7:30:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief

August 28, 2004

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB

Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature.

"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

The additional language varied from the two previous citations, signed first by Adm. Elmo Zumwalt and then Adm. John Hyland, which themselves differ. The new material added in the Lehman citation reads in part: "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (jg) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself...."

Asked how the citation could have been executed over his signature without his knowledge, Lehman said: "I have no idea. I can only imagine they were signed by an autopen." The autopen is a device often used in the routine execution of executive documents in government.

Kerry senior adviser Michael Meehan could not be reached for comment on Kerry's records.

Thomas Lipscomb is chairman of the Center for the Digital Future in New York


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
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To: McGruff
"WHERE ARE WE GOING JOHN?"

401 posted on 08/28/2004 9:51:30 AM PDT by Gucho
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To: Cboldt
U gotta love it!!!!..The after action reports...KERRY THIS...KERRY THAT!...Geez!...he was the only guy mentioned!!!
402 posted on 08/28/2004 9:53:08 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Mike Fieschko

No worries Mike--and I apologize as well.


403 posted on 08/28/2004 9:53:39 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: ken5050

I think Kerry's camp made a major mistake by releasing the Lehman signed citations. They thought that they would add more luster to Kerry's record, not realizing that it raises more questions, especially if it involves replacement medals.


404 posted on 08/28/2004 9:54:17 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Nov3

Wasn't he in the reserves until 1978?


405 posted on 08/28/2004 9:54:22 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: Grampa Dave

I remember a Freeper back in April or so caught the three citations business plus Lehman's signature.

It was interesting because Lehman was at that very time high profile as a co-chair of the 9/11 Commission.

How clever of a reporter to ask Lehman about it.

Actually, kudos to Lipscomb who has been doing the basic job I expect from a reporter. Digging and talking to the players in a given story. It was Lipscomb who found witnesses placing Kerry at the November 1971 "Assassination" meeting in Kansas City.

Keep digging, Tom Lipscomb. America thanks you.


406 posted on 08/28/2004 9:54:40 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: wyattearp

Didn't see that one. Quite a bit different, actually. Thanks.


407 posted on 08/28/2004 9:54:52 AM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: mwl1

thanks for posting that.

Of course, the democrats can ignore rules ... in certain states, ala torocelli, but it seems weird that they could get by with it nationally.

but what if something drastic happened to remove Kerry from contention, i.e. illness; if he withdrew, etc.

Who would be the nominee then? Would it be Edwards or would it just go to the convention as in the old days?

Does anyone know?


408 posted on 08/28/2004 9:55:24 AM PDT by altura (Didn't think it possible but the dems did it. --found someone worse than Clinton or Gore.)
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To: mass55th
"Bronze Star Signature:

Silver Star Signature:

9/11 Report Signature:"

The first two are clearly autopen signatures. You can tell because there are no "tails", where the pen is gradually lifted off the paper while moving. In other words all the lines end abruptly, as if the pen stopped moving then was lifted.

The third is clearly a hand signature. You can see the tails. Plus the first two are identical, while the third shows some variation.

Does anyone have dates for the first two signatures? or is that info lost forever?

409 posted on 08/28/2004 9:55:40 AM PDT by Oblongata
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To: Peach

When you decide to run for public office in America, your life becomes an open book for all to see. John Kerry refuses to open his life book. The obvious question arises. What's he hiding?


410 posted on 08/28/2004 9:55:53 AM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: katnip
Hello,

LOL indeed! As the mother of a 6 yr. old boy, I have this to say to Kerry:
Liar, Liar, Plants for Hire!
Uh, it's Pants on Fire...
You would know....Liar!
(Sorry for the Sponge Bob reference, I couldn't help myself)Glad to be here, MOgirl
411 posted on 08/28/2004 9:56:25 AM PDT by MOgirl (In memory of Walton Wayne Callahan, I love you forever.)
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To: Tallguy

Kerry didn't throw the citations over the fence.

He threw the ribbons/medals before he didn't throw someone else's medals/ribbons.

Kerry keeps trying to say medals/ribbons are interchangeable, when in fact they are not. Protocol stipulates which uniforms you wear either the ribbon or the medals with.


412 posted on 08/28/2004 9:56:33 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: Grampa Dave

it's interesting but let's get real here.. if everything they have on Kerry now up to this point isn't enough, nothing ever will be.. we could have films of kerry shooting his own men and nothing would happen..


413 posted on 08/28/2004 9:57:02 AM PDT by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: kabar

Oops, I read through the citations again and wound up posting to myself. Try this again...

The last sentence in the two silver star citations are indeed different. Quite a bit different. Thanks.


414 posted on 08/28/2004 9:57:15 AM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Grampa Dave

The thing I don't get is HOW could the Kerry people believe they would not get caught if this was a fake 'silver star' or whatever?

Heck, my pet alligator won a silver star too, in vietnam, or laos or cambodia... total fabrication and outright lies.

Was this their plan, to push kerry's false medals, and then cry foul over exposure of such outright lies that even a three year old KNOWS the F'r is lying out his ass?

What? Why?
I don't get it.


415 posted on 08/28/2004 9:58:06 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Robert the "RINO")
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To: Rebelbase
Isn't it a Federal crime to alter military documents?

From the way Kerry has prospered since his return from Vietnam, I can't help
but wonder if there isn't some obscure bit of Federal Code that exempts
liberal Democratic politicians from prosecution of any sort.
416 posted on 08/28/2004 9:59:24 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Grampa Dave

can anyone spell forgery, or does a signature stamp not count?


417 posted on 08/28/2004 9:59:39 AM PDT by crabbie
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To: hershey
Well, my goodness. And just a few minutes ago on MSNBC, Bill Press announced that every smear against Kerry had been proven false, so case closed. Guess this is one he missed. Press looked like someone had just died.

That would be the same Bill Press that just finished up his book tour. What is the book about? Why, it's about how evil Bush is and why you shouldn't vote for him in November.

(The book bombed, by the way. Current Amazon rank as I write this: 4,360.)

418 posted on 08/28/2004 9:59:43 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War (we use the ˇ°ml maximizeˇ± command in Stata to obtain estimates of each aj , bj, and cm.)
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To: Polybius

When you don't have diversity of ideals in the media, this is what happens.
Who in the MSM, besides Ollie North, is qualified to write, know, and understand what is being put forth as gospel? Nobody.

Hire more military people on the staff and this type of garbage wouldn't have even propelled Kerry out of the primaries.


419 posted on 08/28/2004 10:00:27 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: All

Has anyone seen this on any MSM other than the Chicago Paper and the Drudge site? I think it will have to come to light - just too strange to ignor.....


420 posted on 08/28/2004 10:00:32 AM PDT by Momto2
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