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Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief (John Lehman)
Sun Times ^ | August 28, 2004 | Thomas Lipscomb

Posted on 08/28/2004 7:30:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Kerry citation a 'total mystery' to ex-Navy chief

August 28, 2004

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB

Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature.

"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

The additional language varied from the two previous citations, signed first by Adm. Elmo Zumwalt and then Adm. John Hyland, which themselves differ. The new material added in the Lehman citation reads in part: "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (jg) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself...."

Asked how the citation could have been executed over his signature without his knowledge, Lehman said: "I have no idea. I can only imagine they were signed by an autopen." The autopen is a device often used in the routine execution of executive documents in government.

Kerry senior adviser Michael Meehan could not be reached for comment on Kerry's records.

Thomas Lipscomb is chairman of the Center for the Digital Future in New York


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To: Howlin; eddie willers; cajungirl; wirestripper; Southflanknorthpawsis; Peach; prairiebreeze; ...
John Kerry is a paper hero, but the paperwork doesn't hold up well under examination.

My understanding is that this Tom Lipscomb article was trimmed down considerably by the editors. It might not hurt to let them know that we consider this important and useful information.

51 posted on 08/28/2004 7:42:20 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Grampa Dave

I am confused. Is this the same issue as the "V" attendant to the silver star, or yet another fabrication?

It is getting to the point where we need a scorecard to keep up with the lies and distortions.


52 posted on 08/28/2004 7:42:26 AM PDT by mwl1
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To: ScottFromSpokane
Don't officials need to approve documents for signing by autopen?

Sort of. They establish a procedure whereby oce the requisite conditions have been met, a document can be autopen signed.

The citations signed by Lehman are most likely "replacement citations," provided at Kerry's request, after a review of the relevant military records indicated that Kerry was entitled to the citation. Requests for replacement medals and citations are routine, and can occur due to loss in fire, loss due to neglect, etc.

Best speculation is that Kerry requested replacement medals for the ones he threw over the fence (BTW, the first set of replacements is free!), and either the medals automatically come with a new citation letter, or Kerry requested both, medal and citation letter, or Kerry's servant just figured the request for replacement ought to "ask for everything he can get."

53 posted on 08/28/2004 7:42:26 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: SkyPilot

If that were the case, why didn't Lehman make a stink about this earlier? It's not like it was a recently dropped bombshell.
I think Lehman has been contacted by Washington and he's now attempting to distance himself from it.


54 posted on 08/28/2004 7:42:31 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: Rebelbase
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55 posted on 08/28/2004 7:42:32 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: Peach
The Kerry campaign has refused to release Kerry's personal Vietnam archive, including his journals and letters, saying that the senator is contractually bound to grant Brinkley exclusive access to the material.

What an utter Bullsh*t (yes, with a capital B) and convenient excuse.

A person cannot hide evidence of wrongdoing with the utterly contemptible ruse that it's part of a contractual exclusivity. Do that in a court of law and you'll be cooling your heels in the slammer until you decide you've had enough.

Kerry: Release your records, you lying SOB!

56 posted on 08/28/2004 7:42:39 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: Petronski
Personally, friends, I favor the use of:

Old Media (aka "Mainstream Media") vs. New Media, ie, talk radio/Internet/FR/weblog.

"Old" says it all: passe, has-been, used-to-be, washed up, versus...

New: we get it; you should, too!

57 posted on 08/28/2004 7:42:45 AM PDT by Airborne Longhorn
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To: MeekOneGOP; NavVet; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Bahbah; PhiKapMom

Here's a little tid bit to brighten your weekend!


58 posted on 08/28/2004 7:43:12 AM PDT by hoosiermama (NAM Vet's Revenge.......It's about time.)
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To: Real Cynic No More

MSM = Main Stream Media

[Took me a while the first time I saw it, too.]


59 posted on 08/28/2004 7:43:20 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: tdadams

In most instances, your take on the matter is correct. An underling would obtain autopen signatures for basic correspondence - and even some commendations, citations, and awards - to non VIPS. For a sitting Senator, Congressman, or most other VIPs? You had better believe the Secretary would sign the document personally.


60 posted on 08/28/2004 7:43:30 AM PDT by NCPAC ((Live without Fear: Don't worry about what may happen. Concentrate on what must be done.))
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To: Grampa Dave
"Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature."

My. It appears the Viet Cong's favorite liberal congressman has a fake silver star to go along with his status as "war hero."

Kerry's "patriotism" obviously consists of being a fake and a fraud who fights for the other side.

61 posted on 08/28/2004 7:43:46 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: All
"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

" CALLING RUSH and HANNITY".....!!!! Interview PLEASE!!!!!!

62 posted on 08/28/2004 7:43:46 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: SkyPilot
The only conclusion is that Kerry padded the citation and got some Navy underling to get is signed via autopen.

If you would take the time to read the two citations, and compare them, you would know that the Lehman-autopen-signed citation contains no padding.

63 posted on 08/28/2004 7:43:46 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Interesting Times

Bump!


64 posted on 08/28/2004 7:44:30 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: e_castillo
The theory I have heard was that it had to be done to replace the lost medal.

Perhaps he lost it somewhere on the other side of the Capital Hill fence?
65 posted on 08/28/2004 7:44:53 AM PDT by sharktrager (The road to hell is paved with good intentions. And the paving contractor lives in Chappaqua.)
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To: Cboldt
The citations signed by Lehman are most likely "replacement citations," provided at Kerry's request, after a review of the relevant military records indicated that Kerry was entitled to the citation. Requests for replacement medals and citations are routine, and can occur due to loss in fire, loss due to neglect, etc.

Everything I've heard indicates that replacement citations are simply copied from the original in the files, and are not newly signed.

In any case, the Lehman citation was the third given for the same decoration, with different language from the other two, which I understand is quite unusual.

66 posted on 08/28/2004 7:44:56 AM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: Real Cynic No More
MainStreamMedia

FMCDH(BITS)

67 posted on 08/28/2004 7:45:05 AM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: Bernard
Won't be long till everyone here starts typing using stuff like this.

WOT,H8,THT!,LFT,THX, 2L8, 4, 8, SUM, SUP, 2NITE, WAN2 and NXT.

68 posted on 08/28/2004 7:45:26 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Piquaboy

"Let's watch and see how they spin out of this. Of course with the MSM on their side, you may never see this anyplace else."

I can't believe it is even getting this notice. Remember how the media covered for Clinton over the chinese campaign donation scandal? Sandy Berger?

And here they are, digging over papers from 30 years ago. It reminds of Monica. Poring over interesting but less relevant stuff, while giving these people a total pass over the really bad and dangerous things they do.

Years from now, like "just about sex" Monica, the demos will say Kerry lost over "just about some 30 year old paperwork". And no one will remember anything else.


69 posted on 08/28/2004 7:45:34 AM PDT by I still care (Have you heard about the Democrat cocktail? It's ketchup with a chaser.)
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To: MizSterious
Big WOW! Is anything about Kerry real, I wonder?

Has anyone checked to see if he actually has an office in the U.S. Senate? You never know with people like this.

70 posted on 08/28/2004 7:45:38 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: Grampa Dave

"Your Medal of Honor Certificate will be done in just a minute Senator. Do you still want the Nobel Peace Prize as well?"

71 posted on 08/28/2004 7:45:39 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Grampa Dave

Hmmmmmm...I just saw Lehman the other morning(I think Fox & Friends) say that he signed the papers authorizing the replacement medals/ribbons for Kerry...which were *lost*....(someone should look on the WH lawn)


72 posted on 08/28/2004 7:45:43 AM PDT by mystery-ak (Snap-Crackle-Pop.....Kerry has Rice Krispies in his butt.)
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To: Grampa Dave
That's funny, because John Lehman was on Fox and Friends last week and said that his signature is on those documents because Kerry asked for replacements, since he had lost the originals.
73 posted on 08/28/2004 7:45:50 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Grampa Dave

It's also a crime (TREASON) to get out of a combat zone under any false pretenses. I.E. everything Kerry did to get himself shipped out of Viet Nam before his tour was up.


74 posted on 08/28/2004 7:45:59 AM PDT by Desparado
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To: Grampa Dave
An early Kerry document was recently discovered:


75 posted on 08/28/2004 7:46:22 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: tdadams
I would think it's just the opposite. Routine and unimportant correspondence is signed with an autopen. Official documents and commendations would have to be signed personally.

Yup. A Silver Star is a big deal. Getting the Secretary of the Navy's signature on a citation is a Big Freakin' Deal. Having the Secretary of the Navy's signature turn out to be unauthorized... is PRICELESS.

To add to the mystery: Why forge (or unauthorizedly autopen) the SecDef's signature, when numerous lower ranks could have performed this purportedly routine (but actually rather unusual) act?

This is truly something that makes you go "Hmmmmmmm..."

76 posted on 08/28/2004 7:46:25 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Grampa Dave

I have a feeling we are again going to hear about Kansas City, Nov. 12-15, 1971.


77 posted on 08/28/2004 7:46:44 AM PDT by doug from upland (John Kerry cried and asked TaRAYaz to make the SwiftVets stop)
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To: Cboldt
It is almost time to dance in the isles!


78 posted on 08/28/2004 7:47:09 AM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider ((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!))
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To: e_castillo
Now why would Kerry get his signature on any Vietnam era doc?

FR speculation was that it was to get a replacement medal for one of those he threw away back in 1971.

But, you know, ribbons and medals, they were interchangeable back then. But he didn't throw HIS away; he threw some belonging to another guy, and he only threw his ribbons, because he left his medals at home.

[Kerry has told so many different versions of his embellished stories that he doesn't know what the truth is.]
79 posted on 08/28/2004 7:47:14 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: SkyPilot; Fracas; Travis McGee

One might wonder if John Lehman even was in office when this was signed.

Wade R. Sanders, Former Assistant Secretary of the Navy under Clinton, is a long time buddy of moi Kerri.

What if someone reactivated Lehman's auto pen during Sanders's time at the Pentagon to approve Kerry's medals?


80 posted on 08/28/2004 7:47:20 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: Grampa Dave

81 posted on 08/28/2004 7:47:49 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: tdadams

I've Got EVERYTHING CROSSED!!!!!


82 posted on 08/28/2004 7:48:02 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: P-Marlowe
Does someone have a link to the document in question?

Well glory be ... somebody is actually going to look at the source! Good luck correcting the folks here who labor under false impressions.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Bronze_Star.pdf <-- Two Bronze Star citation letters

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Silver_Star.pdf <-- Two Silver Star citation letters

83 posted on 08/28/2004 7:48:03 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Interesting Times

Sometime yesterday -- it may have been last night -- I looked up and saw somebody on MSNBC, a man, whom I had not seen before.

But the caption said NAVY: Documents contradict Kerry.

Did anybody else see this?


84 posted on 08/28/2004 7:48:11 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: SkyPilot
Lehman was Sec of the Navy during Reagan's Presidency----and John Kerry was by then a powerful Senator

Actually, I think Lehman was SecNav 1981 to 1987, and Kerry was first elected to the Senate in 1984. Before going to the Senate, he was Michael Dukakis' LtGov 1982 to 1984.
85 posted on 08/28/2004 7:48:11 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney, too.)
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To: ScottFromSpokane
Gonzaga, huh? They have a pretty active College Republican crowd.

Correctamundo! My four years in Zagland bring nothing but fond memories to me. Great school in a great city!

86 posted on 08/28/2004 7:48:16 AM PDT by Night Hides Not
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To: sharktrager
Perhaps he lost it somewhere on the other side of the Capital Hill fence?

He already said he tossed someone elses medals over the fence and his originals are on the Senate office wall or some such thing
87 posted on 08/28/2004 7:49:00 AM PDT by e_castillo
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To: tdadams

Maybe, he had a paramour on the "inside" that got the document for him. We already know this explanation would be perfecttly accepatable to the dem party of idiots.


88 posted on 08/28/2004 7:49:14 AM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

"Well...Kerry wanted Viet Nam to be the centerpiece of his campaign. Looks like it might just be!"

It is like this arrogant POS, Kerry, sets up a bear trap, called his Nam record, hollers look at me, and then he steps on the trap's trigger. Now that it has him trapped, he is whining about it.


89 posted on 08/28/2004 7:49:17 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: TheRightGuy

You know the media is at war with itself on this. On the one hand it is pulling for Kerry. On the other hand, it smells a BIG story. If Kerry looks any weaker in the polls, the media will move in for the kill, figuring he'd lose anyway, might as well get a good story out of it. Besides, if Kerry goes down with the media defending him still, then it would look worse for them in any post-election analysis. But if they take Kerry down themselves, they avoid that judgment.


90 posted on 08/28/2004 7:49:17 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Night Hides Not

MOD,

SORRY, won't happen again, got excited there for a minute.


91 posted on 08/28/2004 7:49:34 AM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider ((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!))
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To: Grampa Dave
Yoiks! That's a dicey one!

If it is an autopen signature, shouldn't it match other such signatures on record?

92 posted on 08/28/2004 7:49:48 AM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.)
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To: pepperhead

Then I'll need a glossary. Or, at least, an Acronym Bootcamp.


93 posted on 08/28/2004 7:49:48 AM PDT by Bernard (Let Freedom Reign)
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To: pieces of time

J Fraud Kerry!

What a great use of words!


94 posted on 08/28/2004 7:49:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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To: Grampa Dave

Anyone else hearing TAPS!


95 posted on 08/28/2004 7:49:54 AM PDT by longfellow (You're either with US or from Hollywood! Ultimateamerican.com)
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To: Grampa Dave
Someone needs to save any pictures and references to any medals on moi Kerri's website. If any are still on his site, they will be gone before the day is over.

Not exactly.

96 posted on 08/28/2004 7:50:00 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: ScottFromSpokane
Everything I've heard indicates that replacement citations are simply copied from the original in the files, and are not newly signed.

Nobody has provided SOP for providing replacement citations for Vietnam era awards, as of the time the Lehman-signed citations were produced.

Even if the replacements were a "favor" for a Senator, they recite virtually the same language as the original citations.

There is no big story in the replacements, except that Kerry lied when he said he didn't throw his medals away, he only threw his medals. In light of fabricating a record to get the awrads in the first place, and lying about atrocities (under the authority of being an eyewitness and participant), throwing away medals and lying about it is small potatoes.

97 posted on 08/28/2004 7:53:11 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: tdadams

98 posted on 08/28/2004 7:53:31 AM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider ((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

"Hanged On His Own Petard"!


99 posted on 08/28/2004 7:53:55 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Piquaboy

"Let's watch and see how they spin out of this. Of course with the MSM on their side, you may never see this anyplace else."

Well Drudge has it.

The Sun Times has it, and a relative back in Illinois emailed about the Sun Times Article. So no it is on Free Republic.

I'm sure that Hugh, Sean and Rush will be discussing this next week.

So even if the MSM spikes this story, it will have legs.


100 posted on 08/28/2004 7:54:26 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://www.swiftvets.com/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets)
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