Posted on 08/28/2004 4:00:13 PM PDT by faludeh_shirazi
Freedom is Near - !!!! FREE IRAN!!!!
I would like to see a counter-reaction by the Iraqi Shiites against Iran for being behind the outrages done to the Mosque of Ali that spreads into Iran.
From a Tommy Franks interview with Hugh Hewitt on Iran:
HH: "Do you expect a confrontation with Iran in the next couple of years, and if so, any doubt in your mind about how that would go?"
TF: "There is no doubt how it would go. I don't know whether to expect it or not. I personally hope not, but on the other hand, hope is not a method, as you and I both know. One thing that I do believe very firmly is that the world is a better place, a safer place, and so is our country, because Saddam Hussein is no longer in Iraq, at least in charge, and the Taliban are no longer in charge in Afghanistan because what happens is, when a sanctuary is created, the bad guys --the terrorists-- can operate out of the sanctuary. If we don't see that happening in Iran, we should be very, very thoughtful before we do something. If we do see that happening in Iran, I am afraid we will have to take care of it, Hugh."
HH: "Did you see it happening on your watch?"
TF: "I hope not."
HH: "But I mean, did you see evidence that Al Qaeda was coming across the border from Afghanistan, after the Afghanistan war?"
TF: "You talking about into Iran?"
HH: "Yes."
TF: "Yes. Yes. But what we have seen is transitory, we have seen transits, but I don't think we have seen the staging of Al Qaeda out of Iran."
Hmmm. It doesn't take much guesswork to puzzle out what the opinion of General Franks is about what the automatic reaction to the presence of Al Qaeda in Iran ought to be, which I believe would apply equally to any known terrorist groups found to be operating there. Those are the realities of the post 9/11 world, realities not well suited to a waffler like Kerry.
I believe the best type of reaction would be to militarily eliminate any fanatical insurgents that are Islamic Clerical regime sponsored. However - we should not at this point make any moves into Iranian soil and should not launch anything onto Iranian soil.
Listen: The Mullahs will likely try to f'around a lot. When they are on the verge of being removed from power they will likely launch attacks on their own soil as to try to rally the population. Iranians know the tricks as they have become quite savvy and know every in, out and angle of the Mullahs regime. Trust, the Iranian people if given the moral and extensive additional supports/political and other means from the US and if the US targets the MULLAHS non-stop - there will be an overthrow.
This is a tricky issue - but it is one that the US and the West as a whole must solve correctly. There is only one way to achieve victory in this situation and that is through the Iranian people!
"in 1982, when the clerics launched the attack on Iraq"
And I was under impression that it was saddamitic Iraq launching the attack. Well,live and learn.
As for "free Iran!" one could quote Burke that since free people are free to do as they please one should wait and see what they would be pleased to do before offering congratulations.
Was Iranian people ever free? And if yes, what it was they were pleased to do on occasion? For the past is the guide to the future.
My understanding of the Iranians is that they are proud of their 5000 year civilization and that the Mullahs are barbarians in their midst.
I don't see the US being capable of finessing the situation inside Iran given US Intelligence's track record there. The best we can do is to take a hard line and tell the State Department to be crystal clear about it.
"The Iranian population — which is essentially more Persian in orientation than Muslim in the Arab sense — was ready to revolt against the Khomeini Administration in 1982, when the clerics launched the attack on Iraq."
Huh? Saddam attacked Iran.
It was more of a mutually instigated engagement. Both regimes thought they would benefit from such an action - which they did = they both stayed in power for quite a long time regardless of the heavy human toll. Neither regime gave a damn about the human loss.
The Iranian people have done well under freedom. The overthrow in 79 wasn't even an overthrow by Iranian people. It was a western-inspired (Carter Admin , ie: Brezenski, Europe, etc..) in order to continue the policy of creating a Green Belt of Islamofascist terrorist states in an effort to contain Communism. Europe also liked this new arragnement as they were better able to deal and exploit the Iranian people with the Mullahs at the helm.
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Joseph - the issue is thus:
America must make clear to Israel that they are in no position to strike Iran soil PERIOD. The threats you hear coming from Israel to Iran are for show. Here, read this article:
http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3752
This was quite an appropriate statement by Mr. Steinitz and the Israelis, because what you don't want is Fanatics throughout the Middle East having an additional issue to rally behind - and it is also correct, because bombing Nuke plants is a very very last-resort option and should be taken by US Airforce if deemed necessary. Question: Why are the Europeans, Russians, and Chinese backing the Mullahs - and helping them to get closer and closer to the bomb? Financial -
America, Bush Admin - next week, needs to make very clear to the Mullahs and to the Iranian people that America will do everything it can and stands with the Iranian people. We should make clear to the world that we will not make a military action - though will defend the integrity of Iraq if Islamic Regime forces continue to invade. By making a strong policy clear to the world - "This is where America Stands" we essentially undercurt the ability of the Mullahs to - stage an attack and blame it on the Israelis or the US.
You can but your buttons that we have ops all throughout Iran that have been working with Iranian people and you can also be sure that many within the Iranian theocracy are already on the US payroll.
You see, every dictarship after years of being in power not only results in the majority of the population it rules ABSOLUTELY HATING IT, but also people within government positions begin to to hate the regime because they know that the life-span is short and will inevitably screw them over and their families.
US should announce a NAtional Security - Presidential directive BLASTING the regime in Iran for it's support of Sadr, Human RIghts Violations, all terrorist acts it's committed over past 25 years, etc.. etc..
US must defend the Iranian people by all means - but please we cannot fall into the mistake and hands of the Mullahs - we don't want to play their game - the author makes a very good point.
REFRAIN FROM LAUNCHING STRIKES -
Lets WAX all the islamofascicsts inside Iraq - and announce our policy of supporting Iranian people 100% and ENDING THE REGIME IN IRAN for all crimes it has comitted.
It's getting close - this will be one of the biggest turning points not only in the War on Terror - but in history!
What do you make of the 4-ship of F-18s and single EA-6B that penetrated Iranian airspace today?
"There is only one way to achieve victory in this situation and that is through the Iranian people!"
YES
"Instead, he wound up facing a nation that sent Iranian children walking across mine fields to clear them."
You're right. This is also why Israel shouldn't attack Iran. An attack by Israel, would be seen as an attack by U.S. and the results within Iran would be the same....the people uniting against us.
Through this gesture, the clerics hope to repeat the 1982 lesson: namely, that the Iranian people would unite around their national leaders and against the external aggressors."
I wonder if it would (unite around their national leaders and against the external aggressors). As the old saying goes "that was then, this is now", Then there was still a great deal for revolutionary fervor, Now, well it appears not a month goes by without a demonstration/riot against the Mullahs.
"This is exactly why I don't take the 'invade them now crowd' too seriously."
Many of them act and say things without THINKING.
What's the old saying, to a hammer every problem is a nail.
F-18s and single EA-6B that penetrated Iranian airspace today?
Do you have a link?
I've expressed so many of Mr. Copely's ideas myself. He's absolutely right that the mullahs are trying to bait us, and that taking the bait would result in Iranians uniting with the regime.
The problem lies in the timing of the regime acquiring nukes. He doesn't really address this. We can sit back and let the Iranian people fight this out themselves, but we can't wait years. This is why it's essential that we give the Iranians the financial backing and any support they need to pull this off SOON.
I hope you're right that "we have ops all throughout Iran that have been working with Iranian people and you can also be sure that many within the Iranian theocracy are already on the US payroll."
The longer the mullahs are allowed to pull the strings, the worse our chances are of seeing a free Iran anytime in the near future.
To answer your question "I wonder if it would....", Yes, from what we hear, that seems a very likey result.
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