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DETAILED SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON OF KERRY'S SILVER STAR CITATIONS (TABLE)
edited from johnkerry.com with annotations - see table | 2004-08-28 | UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Posted on 08/29/2004 7:15:38 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

JOHN FORBES KERRY SILVER STAR CITATION REVISIONS - FULL TEXTS

"The Incredibly Shrinking Silver Star"

NOTES Zumwalt Original Hyland Revision Lehman Revision

HEADING:

Aside from the differences in the issuing authority and minor punctuation, Kerry's middle name is shortened in the final revision to the initial "F." which more resembles Kerry's hero, John F. Kennedy.

COMMANDER
UNITED STATES NAVAL FORCES
VIETNAM

The President of the Unites States takes pleasure in presenting the Silver Star Medal to

JOHN FORBES KERRY
LIEUTENANT JUNIOR GRADE
UNITED STATES NAVAL RESERVE

for service as set forth in the following:

CITATION

COMMANDER IN CHIEF
UNITED STATES PACIFIC FLEET

The President of the Unites States takes pleasure in presenting the Silver Star Medal to

Lieutenant (junior grade) John Forbes KERRY
United States Naval Reserve

for service as set forth in the following:

CITATION

THE SECRETARY OF THE NAVY
WASHINGTON

The President of the Unites States takes pleasure in presenting the SILVER STAR MEDAL to

LIEUTENANT (JUNIOR GRADE) JOHN F. KERRY
UNITED STATES NAVAL RESERVE

for service as set forth in the following

CITATION:

PLACE and TIME:

The official reference to "Vietnamese Regional and Popular Forces" in the original citation is reduced to just "regional", removing any notion they were "Popular."

The words "junior grade" are shortened in the final revision to "jg" in most places for the Massachusetts junior Senator.

"For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action while serving as Officer in Charge of United States Navy Patrol Craft Fast 94 and Officer in Tactical Command of an operation in the Republic of Vietnam. On 28 February 1969, Patrol Craft Fast 23, 43 and 94, in conjunction with Underwater Demolition Team 13 and Vietnamese Regional and Popular Forces personnel, conducted an operation on the Ca Mau Peninsula as part of Operation SEA LORDS.

"For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action while serving with the Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with the Viet Cong insurgents in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam on 28 February 1969. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY was serving as Officer in Charge of Patrol Craft Fast 94 and Officer in Tactical Command of a three-boat unit engaged in inserting Vietnamese regional force troops on a reconnaissance in force mission.

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action while serving with the Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with the Viet Cong insurgents in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam on 28 February 1969. Lieutenant (jg) Kerry was serving as Officer in Charge of Patrol Craft Fast 94 and Officer in Tactical Command of a three-boat unit engaged in inserting Vietnamese regional force troops on a reconnaissance in force mission.

FIRST ACTION:

"Small arms" is enhanced to "automatic weapons and small arms." (Had there been another revision, it would no doubt say "assault rifles.") The strength of the Swift force is approximately 18 crew, with 90 Vietnamese and demolition forces as passengers. The friendly force total is removed from the revisions and an enemy force total of 20 is added. This addition means that someone got information other than the original citation for the revisions. The removal of the number 90 (3 PCF units x 30) makes plausible the addition of "numerically superior" enemy added at the end of the revisions (20 VC vs. 18 crew).

While transiting the Bay Hap River en route to an insertion point along the Dong Cung River, these craft with thirty Regional/Popular Force personnel embarked in each unit came under heavy enemy small arms fire from the river banks. The Officer in Tactical Command, Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY directed his units to turn to the beach and charge the Viet Cong positions. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY expertly directed the fire of his craft at the fleeing enemy while simultaneously coordinating the insertion of the embarked troops. While the Regional and Popular Forces conducted an area sweep, Patrol Craft Fast 43 remained on station to provide fire support and

As the force approached the target area on the narrow Dong Cung River, all units came under intense automatic weapons and small arms fire from an entrenched enemy force less than fifty feet away. Unhesitatingly, Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY ordered his boat to attack as all units opened fire and beached directly in front of the enemy ambushers. This daring and courageous tactic surprised the enemy and succeeded in routing a score of enemy soldiers. The PCF gunners captured many enemy weapons in the battle that followed.

As the force approached the target area on the narrow Dong Cung River, all units came under intense automatic weapons and small arms fire from an entrenched enemy force less than fifty feet away. Unhesitatingly, Lieutenant (jg) Kerry ordered his boat to attack as all units opened fire and beached directly in front of the enemy ambushers. This daring and courageous tactic surprised the enemy and succeeded in routing a score of enemy soldiers. The PCF gunners captured many enemy weapons in the battle that followed.

SECOND ACTION:

The original citation contains the most impressive account of personal heroism on the part of Lt.(jg) Kerry, the famous story of single-handedly chasing down and killing a VC and capturing a live rocket. This daring exploit is not in the revised citations. One has to wonder why? Without that element, is this really Silver Star material? The "numerically superior" enemy cannot be from the second action as the lone VC in the original citation is the only enemy mentioned.

The request by Army advisors is not mentioned in the original citation, further indicating independent sources for the revisions.

Patrol Craft Fast 23 and 94 moved upstream to investigate an area from which gunshots were coming. Arriving at the area, Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY's craft received a B-40 rocket close aboard. Once again Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY ordered his units to charge the enemy positions and summoned Patrol Craft Fast 43 to the area to provide additional firepower. Patrol Craft Fast 94 then beached in the center of the enemy positions and an enemy soldier sprang up from his position not ten feet from Patrol Craft Fast 94 and fled. Without hesitation Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY leaped ashore, pursued the man behind a hootch and killed him, capturing a B-40 rocket launcher with a round in the chamber. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY then led an assault party and conducted a sweep of the area while the Patrol Craft Fast continued to provide fire support. After the enemy had been completely routed, all personnel returned to the Patrol Craft Fast to withdraw from the area.

On a request from U.S. Army advisors ashore, Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY ordered PCFs 94 and 23 further up river to suppress enemy sniper fire. After proceeding approximately eight hundred yards, the boats were again taken under fire from a heavily foliated area and a B-40 rocket exploded close aboard PCF 94. With utter disregard for his own safety and the enemy rockets, he again ordered a charge on the enemy, beached his boat only ten feet from the VC rocket position, and personally led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy. Upon sweeping the area, an immediate search uncovered an enemy rest and supply area which was destroyed.

On a request from U.S. Army advisors ashore, he ordered PCFs 94 and 23 further up river to suppress enemy sniper fire. After proceeding approximately eight hundred yards, the boats were again taken underfire from a heavily foliated area and a B-40 rocket exploded close aboard PCF 94. With utter disregard for his own safety and the enemy rockets, he again ordered a charge on the enemy, beached his boat only ten feet from the VC rocket position, and personally led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy. Upon sweeping the area, an immediate search uncovered an enemy rest and supply area which was destroyed.

THIRD ACTION:

The third action is mentioned only in the original citation. There is no indication that any assessment was made of effectiveness of the fire in EKIA or materiel.

While backing off the beach, these units again came under a hail of fire, this time from the opposite river bank. Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY immediately coordinated the firepower of his units and suppressed the enemy fire.

[no mention]

[no mention]

FOURTH ACTION:

The fourth action is mentioned only in the original citation. There is no indication that any assessment was made of effectiveness of the fire in EKIA or materiel.

Later, after disembarking personnel and while exiting from the Bay Hap River, the Patrol Craft Fast were again taken under fire. Lieutanant (junior grade) KERRY immediately maneuvered his craft through several strafing runs which completely silenced the enemy.

[no mention]

[no mention]

OVERALL RESULTS:

Only in the original citation is any mention made of enemy killed (11 total) or wounded (1). The revisions seem to wipe the scene of any blood and clear Lt.(jg) Kerry of killing anybody. It is a totally bloodless Silver Star according to the revisions and seems to have accomplished very little for the expenditure of ammo.

As a result of this operation, ten Viet Cong were killed and one wounded with no friendly casualties. In addition, numerous sampans, structures and bunkers were destroyed as well as confiscationn of substantial quantities of combat essential supplies.

[no mention]

[no mention]

COMMENDATION:

In the first revision, extraordinary personal courage is substituted for outstanding leadership even as his most personally courageous and only specific action was removed.

In the second revision, "brave", "bold" and "great credit" are added to his appelations.

Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY's devotion to duty, courage under fire, outstanding leadership, and exemplary professionalism directly contributed to the success of this operation and were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service."

The extraordinary daring and personal courage of Lieutenant (junior grade) KERRY in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission. His actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service."

The extraordinary daring and personal courage of Lieutenant (jg) Kerry in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission. By his brave action, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (jg) Kerry reflected great credit on himself and upheld the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service."

SIGNATURE:

At each revision, a more prestigious signature was obtained.

For the President
(sig. E R Zumwalt)
E. R. ZUMWALT, Jr.
Vice Admiral, U. S. Navy
Commander U. S. Naval Forces, Vietnam

For the President
(sig. John Hyland)
JOHN HYLAND
Admiral, U.S. Navy
Commander in Chief U.S. Pacific Fleet

For the President,
(sig. John Lehman)
Secretary of the Navy

SOURCES:

johnkerry.com  (p.7-8)

johnkerry.com  (p.1)

johnkerry.com  (p.2)

Any typographical errors are my responsibility.


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Previously posted in two other threads. I was requested to post it on its own.
1 posted on 08/29/2004 7:15:39 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Wouldn't it be a giant example of poetic justice if the thing that finally sinks the Kerry campaign were to be these glaring discrepancies in this awards! Something is amiss here and it would be great if when we figure out what it is it turns out to be just another example of Kerry's absolute disregard for the truth!


2 posted on 08/29/2004 7:20:10 AM PDT by jwpjr
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

bump


3 posted on 08/29/2004 7:21:45 AM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Why are there three versions? Shouldn't there only be one?


4 posted on 08/29/2004 7:22:55 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
My husband says this is VALOR CREEP. Sort of like when you start to fudge a little bit and take a teeny bit of a piece of fudge, then you take a little more, then more and before you know you have eaten the entire plate.
5 posted on 08/29/2004 7:24:31 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: kimosabe31

Interesting thing is that he added more and more valor but left out some things from first citation. Could it be he was cleaning up prior lies and adding generalizations of his valor?


6 posted on 08/29/2004 7:27:35 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

That is my assessment.


7 posted on 08/29/2004 7:29:26 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide; StriperSniper; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; ...

BOOKMARK



PING.......................


8 posted on 08/29/2004 7:29:53 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

bump


9 posted on 08/29/2004 7:29:56 AM PDT by PattonReincarnated (Rebuild the Temple)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

I'd give you a citation for doing this excellent work if someone high up would sign it!!


10 posted on 08/29/2004 7:30:41 AM PDT by pbear8 (Swifties plus POWs = Senator Kerry)
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To: OXENinFLA
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11 posted on 08/29/2004 7:30:44 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: cajungirl

I find it a bit puzzling that most of the attention is focused upon the medals when by far the most serious problem is his behavior upon returning to the USA. Those later actions did great damage to Vietnam Vets. It's great to see them rise up to get their stolen honor back. That should be the big story.


12 posted on 08/29/2004 7:31:51 AM PDT by Voltage
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To: cajungirl
There are MANY discrepancies here. It needs a good analyzing.
13 posted on 08/29/2004 7:33:54 AM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Listen To Thomas Lipscomb On The Steve Malzberg Radio Show NOW!

They are discussing the citations discrepancies on the program now. (WABC 77 radio, streaming at above link)
14 posted on 08/29/2004 7:34:15 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Three versions a single citation; when were the citations signed? Only sen Kerry knows for sure.


15 posted on 08/29/2004 7:38:08 AM PDT by RexFamilia
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To: Darth Reagan

ping


16 posted on 08/29/2004 7:38:08 AM PDT by marblehead17 (I love it when a plan comes together.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

which one of my remarks was your assessment,,valor creep or clearing up prior lies and adding generalizations. It is clear from this chart, thanks for posting it by the way, that some purpose was afoot for doing this,,,something JFK is hiding and clearing up.


17 posted on 08/29/2004 7:38:18 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
I was thinking about adding something like your chart to my Kerry timeline. Do you mind if I add this to the site?

Visit the John F. Kerry Timeline
.


18 posted on 08/29/2004 7:39:19 AM PDT by christie (http://www.hillaryforpresident-2008.com -- NOT!)
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To: cajungirl

-lies
+generalizations


19 posted on 08/29/2004 7:40:58 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
My question is: The Silver Star can only be awarded by the Secretary of the Navy, who at the time was Chafee. The Awards and Decorations manual states that the authority to grant some awards can be delegated from a higher command to a lower command but doesn't expressly say whether that is the case for the Silver Star.

Is there any evidence that Chafee delegated that authority during Vietnam? I find it odd that the Commander of Naval Operations, Zumwalt, and the Commander-in-Chief Pacific, Hyland, awarded citations to Kerry - strange in and of itself to be awarded multiple times, but none can be found with Chafee's signature. Did Zumwalt or Hyland grant other Silver Stars?

The Awards manual further states that for the "V" device to be awarded, it must state that in the award citation. As we can see in Kerry's Bronze Star, that statement is there. That statement is NOT there for Kerry's Silver Star. And it shouldn't be as we all know by know that the "V" device is redundant for the Silver Star. But Kerry's DD214 lists: Silver Star with "V" Device.

20 posted on 08/29/2004 7:41:36 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Not Fonda Kerry in '04 // Vets Against Kerry)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Outstanding.

The revisions do indeed indicate a "bloodless" event.

If the original is ignored, then this is certainly not Silver Star material. Their response will be "How dare you question a war hero!" My response is "What war hero? Oh, the guy who risked the safety of his crew by not following procedures?"


21 posted on 08/29/2004 7:41:49 AM PDT by kidd
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To: christie

No prob


22 posted on 08/29/2004 7:42:23 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: cajungirl
uhhh yes, that looks to be the case.

History revision to make him look more like the hero.
23 posted on 08/29/2004 7:43:07 AM PDT by snooker (Looks like the Swifties snookered the dims ...)
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To: cajungirl
Interesting thing is that he added more and more valor but left out some things from first citation.

The first citation runs more than 1 page, which is, I think, against protocol.

While the valor creep (good term) is an issue, a bigger issue is whether the award was providently granted in the first place. Elliott says he would not have passed the recommendation up the chain, if Kerry had told the same story in 1969 as he told in the biography authored by Brinkley.

24 posted on 08/29/2004 7:44:44 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Nicely done.


25 posted on 08/29/2004 7:46:45 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

bttt


26 posted on 08/29/2004 7:49:07 AM PDT by bitt ('suspects not called al-Qaida because neither of them served on the same camel as Osama bin-Laden')
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Didn't Lehman just say he had never seen Kerry's Silver Star document and he did not sign it in person as he was supposed to do. Strange stuff here!


27 posted on 08/29/2004 7:51:04 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Voltage
I find it a bit puzzling that most of the attention is focused upon the medals when by far the most serious problem is his behavior upon returning to the USA.

Both aspects are windows into his character. Kerry's willingness to lie for self-promotion is important to know. It's important because it reinforces the fact that Kerry ALSO lied about atrocities, again for personal advantage.

I agree with you, the false witness regarding atrocities is a farther-reaching transgression -- it had a material negative effect on literally millions of people. Innocent Asian civilians were slaughtered by communists, and American soldiers were scorned, when they should have been cheered.

28 posted on 08/29/2004 7:52:15 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: All
The most significant part is the part that says John F. Kerry, United States Naval Reserves.

Kind of like my brother's Kansas National Guard unit that spent 13 months in Vietnam in '68-'69, or President Bush's Texas Air National Guard.

It appears plainly to me that President Bush spent more time in the military than Kerry.  President Bush was actually defending his country's homeland security while Kerry by his own admission was simply performing war crimes in a war against a country that demonstrated "no threat to America."  What's the confusion about who is the true hero?

 

29 posted on 08/29/2004 7:53:11 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Use in a well ventilated area)
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To: christie
Excellent link. It should be added to these Kerry links of importance:



The Kerry links:




John Kerry's Flip Flops (extensive documentation)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1119904/posts


John Kerry's leadership - FOUR bills passed in 19 years. (4 resolutions as well)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1182739/posts


What Kerry Said and What You Need to Know ("MUST READ")
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1182752/posts



Policy Memo: Progress on Homeland Security (Most of Kerry's proposals already done...)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1183603/posts


Instapundit Has Pictures of Exact Page, Citation and Context of Kerry's Speech about Cambodia
[Comprehensive Thread for Various Versions of Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia Stories.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1189622/posts


John F. Kerry Timeline
http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html
30 posted on 08/29/2004 8:05:16 AM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Excellint work! Any chance of adding the dates of the citations?


31 posted on 08/29/2004 8:06:12 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: Voltage

The attack on Phony Kerry's war record are off shore artillery to work the MSM minefields on the beach and heavy gun placements, also to draw the enemy into false fronts while he burns his resources and we conserve ours.
Rumor has it that the main assault will be in the next week at Senator Kerry's record beach, following the Cambodia ditch around the NYT guns (that can only fire from the left) then linking with the Blog units...


32 posted on 08/29/2004 8:09:11 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
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To: jwpjr

Botox...the slimey critter


33 posted on 08/29/2004 8:09:50 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Payback..even if all too late..is sweet!


34 posted on 08/29/2004 8:21:17 AM PDT by Voltage
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To: TomGuy

Good links.


35 posted on 08/29/2004 8:21:24 AM PDT by christie (http://www.hillaryforpresident-2008.com -- NOT!)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

a bump for http://www.swiftvets.com/


36 posted on 08/29/2004 8:34:55 AM PDT by freddiedavis
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To: cajungirl
"My husband says this is VALOR CREEP"

Ha, ha......I LIKE it!!!!! Tell hubby he should copyright the phrase, it could become the next anti-Kerry book title!!!!!;^)

37 posted on 08/29/2004 8:41:52 AM PDT by soozla ("I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure............"-John Kerry)
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To: soozla

I love it. He was looking at the chart, just reading it and had his glasses on { he is very cute in a sixtiesh sort of way because he is very smart} and he just sort of mused aloud "this is valor creep". sometimes he amazes me.


38 posted on 08/29/2004 8:52:21 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Very good,,that is the way it looks like it is going down. Where is Gen Patton to give us our speech? I am so loving this.


39 posted on 08/29/2004 8:56:40 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: VeniVidiVici

good post.

Is Chafee still alive? If so, he needs to be asked about this.


40 posted on 08/29/2004 9:04:16 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Note also the elimination of "SEA LORDS" from the place and time section, most likely to downplay the implication of American imperialism. I mean, "sea lords," like we had some sort of right to rule the seas or something? JF'nK couldn't stomach that!
41 posted on 08/29/2004 9:12:31 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Kerry was in the Senate???)
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To: Voltage

Never fear. This is groundwork only.


42 posted on 08/29/2004 9:53:22 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: pbear8

Just send it over, I've got my auto-pen fired up.


43 posted on 08/29/2004 10:27:22 AM PDT by norton
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To: NonValueAdded
I might be wrong, it's happened rarely in the past, but I THINK that Sea Lords was primarily a coastal interdiction effort.
If it was cut for a reason it might be that coastal interdiction had to do with movement of rice (Hmmm - the rice shrapnel purple heart) and arms via small boats. Cutting them off from their intended users.
Much less heroic sounding (12 to 30 on armed patrol boat vs. Joe chop sticks and his wife sitting at water line looking up) than scooting into Cambodia for the CIA.
That does not detract from the service in either event, people died interdicting sampans. But, it might imply that inland rivers were the exception(?)
PS: It wasn't too unusual for the RF/PF or even VNA/VNAF to be omitted when listing personnel. I found same problem when trying to figure out what we were carrying in aircraft. Records showed crew and two or three US personnel while the AC unloaded crew, three advisors, and 70 or so armed South Vietnamese.
44 posted on 08/29/2004 10:44:26 AM PDT by norton
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To: norton

PS: As I said, I could be wrong; corrections will be appreciated.


45 posted on 08/29/2004 10:45:21 AM PDT by norton
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To: Paulus Invictus
"Didn't Lehman just say he had never seen Kerry's Silver Star document and he did not sign it in person as he was supposed to do. Strange stuff here!"

Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature. "It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

46 posted on 08/29/2004 10:59:30 AM PDT by lstanle
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To: Thane_Banquo
Why are there three versions? Shouldn't there only be one?

Why are there 2 versions of a fitness report? This seems to be a "foible" of Kerry.

47 posted on 08/29/2004 11:20:28 AM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
The PCF gunners captured many enemy weapons in the battle that followed.

The way you placed these versions side by side shows that this is a bald-faced lie. Why would the ships' gunners leave their posts?

48 posted on 08/29/2004 11:23:04 AM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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Well done, thanks.


49 posted on 08/29/2004 11:34:03 AM PDT by There's millions of'em (Where can I get a sKerry secret mission hat?)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Excellent.

Bookmarked.


50 posted on 08/29/2004 11:48:25 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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