Skip to comments.GOP platform pushes amnesty
Posted on 08/29/2004 2:55:26 PM PDT by Afronaut
If there are any deluded souls out there who still believe George W. Bush is a conservative, I invite them to examine the 2004 Republican Party platform on the issue of amnesty for illegal immigrants.
Bush is for it. That makes him a liberal. Worse, he proclaims that the amnesty is not an amnesty. So he is not only a liberal, but a liar as well.
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Good. Then vote for Kerry. I'm sure your life will be much better.
This is a crap post.
I agree with Michelle Malkin on this issue, not the president. He is more concerned with getting elected and taking this issue off the table, rather then the conservative point of view.
I'm not sure where I stand with this. I sort of agree that if there are illegals here that are working, then why not give them a chance to become legal? Then again, does that punish those that follow the steps the right way? This amnesty is only for those that are currently working. I know the office where I work is cleaned by Mexicans every night. No one else wants to do that work. I assume that these guys are documented, but they are here to work and perform a service, why not let them become citizens. Only the ones that are employed of course.
Kerry would do the same, so i would suggest you hedge your vote on other issues like, partial birth abortion, gay marriage, "under god" the in the pledge, and the general strength of our military
Moby to the rescue! lol
Let's see here....to get your policies enacted, you have to be in power....to not take an issue away from your opponent is foolhardy and definitely not a way to get elected. He is kind of damned if he does and damned if he doesnt.
But go ahead and vote for Kerry or not vote for Bush...it sounds like your life would be happier....
At this point in the game, I'm more concerned with him getting elected too.
If anybody thinks this issue and the WOT will be better handled by Kerry, then they should vote for him.
I must admit that this is not one of Bush's strong points.
If it weren't for the War on Terror a lot of Pubbies would stay home over this.
GOP, please note for 2006 and 2008.
Meanwhile, W had better pray (a lot), because if someone gets through the Mexican border and pulls off a successful terrorist attack, this election will be up for grabs, Kerry's wartime warts and all.
Then vote for Kerry. I hope your conscience is eased with your higher taxes and bloated inflation. But hey, at least the BROWN people wont be cutting your lawn anymore.
Life is imperfect. There are tons of things that I don't like about "Bush's policies." But he is not a liar, as Kerry is. He is not a socialist, as Kerry is.
Let's worry about illegal aliens AFTER Bush wins reelection. Then conservatives can turn the heat on the RINOs and the Bush administration with emails, letter-writing, and faxing.
I don't know what this means. It should be clear to all, both the beltway parties are undermining our borders and our sovereignty. Without the rule of law, and our sovereignty, we are done.
I cut my own lawn, Lunatic fool!
So you'll be voting for who? John Kerry?
The big issue and the primary focus in this election is the War on Terror and how best to advance a military strategy for winning it. Other issues are important, but this is the #1 issue. Period!
This is crap! C\Karl Rove got a taste of how popular it was from Britt Hume when interviewed. It aint gonna happen!
Even traditional Hispanic immigrants who have waited in line and joined the melting pot rather than forcing their culture on the rest of us opposes illegal immigration. Illegals are not going to vote for Bush and the Republicans. So why pander to them?
Let me just say that I'll be voting for Bush this fall. But I'm telling you, illegal aliens are a thorn in Bush's side. A lot of conservatives I know are angry over this issue. This policy absolutely stinks.
Nobody EVER said George W. Bush was a rock-ribbed, mossback hardshell conservative. He looks for the most doable compromise in terms of getting legislation passed if it is not something he has a strong and enduring principle about. That is just good stewardship, in his view. But on things that strike at core moral beliefs, those he will go to the mat for.
It is not a bad thing, necessarily, that persons enter this country and take the scut work jobs that have to be done, but for which nobody is willing to pay a whole lot. Or the work could be left undone. The situation now is that these same people are under a lot of threatening shadows on their lives and subject to suffering exposure now, which in fact probably is much less bad than they have been told.
They come, because they know a job will be there for them, they have learned in the barrio grapevine. There is an unpublished demand for their labor, and while some lawbreakers and scofflaws do manage to slip in, the vast majority are calm and unlikely to cause trouble. Difficulty is, the troublemaker and the honest hard worker look almost exactly alike on first impression. That is why we would kind of like to see them screened a little at the border BEFORE they enter.
"i would suggest you hedge your vote on other issues..."
At least we may be able to work with Bush on the issues we disagree whereas Kerry is ABSOLUTELY hopeless.
A little from Bobby Eberle
However, other conservatives such as Richard Lessner, the Executive Director of the American Conservative Union, see the new GOP platform as short on core conservative principles. Lessner, in an e-mail to conservative activists, describes the platform as not a "pretty picture."
"You have to give the Bush political operation credit: they badly outflanked the party conservatives," Lessner wrote. "By the time delegates gathered here in New York for the platform committee work, the game was already over. The Bush operation made certain that the committee, selected by state parties, was packed with loyalists. Any chance of a conservative uprising over the platform was DOA."
Lessner said that the most controversial plank in the draft platform was on immigration, "specifically President Bush's proposal for a guest worker program for illegal aliens, a plan that also would put those who entered America unlawfully on the path to U.S. citizenship."
"This idea is wildly unpopular with grassroots Republicans and the Bush people know it," Lessner wrote. "So the fix was in. Any effort by the handful of conservatives on the rubber-stamp platform committee to amend or delete the offending plank on immigration were trumped by a series of strong-arm tactics and procedural maneuverings."
Lessner added, "Not that the bullying tactics mattered much. The platform delegates comported themselves like a flock of obedient sheep. Taking their cues from committee co-chairmen Sen. Bill Frist and Colorado Gov. Bill Owens, delegates even rejected amendments drawn word-for-word from the 2000 GOP platform."
Lessner conceded that "there is much in the platform to please conservatives," but added that there is "also plenty to infuriate."
I pay an American to cut my grass, he does it just as cheaply.
Conservatives have been "turning up the heat" on illegals since 9/11. You'd think that after 9/11 the borders would be sealed. In fact, illegal immigration slowed to a trickle right after 9/11 happened, because Hispanics were rightfully scared that there'd be a massive crackdown.
This was a perfect missed opportunity for Bush. But I'm not stupid enough to waste a vote on the Constitution Party. I know that Bush's border policy would still be much better than Kerry's.
It does stink but it's a stupid post. We've had a gazillion of them and they don't do any good but get the conservatives riled up and all claiming they won't vote for Bush.
If that's the way they feel, fine. I'd rather they were smart enough to understand Kerry will be worse on every issue. But they aren't smart.
And don't complain here. Write letters to congressmen and the president.
If the Dems had any sense at all (which they don't as dedicated leftists), they would have run a candidate like Zel Miller. Bush would be toast.
Instead, the Dems run the most rabid drooling leftist available in the party and bank on his 4 months of military service in Vietnam. Republicans aren't the only stupid party.
It makes you wonder if the Clintons are running the Dem party and actually planned it this way so as to make way for the Hildebeast in 2008.
How did these jobs get done before illegal aliens entered the picture? You can say that some of the blame goes to our harsh regulatory, enviornmental, and tax climate that creates a demand for illegal, cheap labor.
What makes you think he will change his views upon re-election? Conservatives have already turned the heat on all of the above, but our voices have been ignored. He will have even less motive to change his views in the next four years because it will be his last term. We're going to have illegal aliens shoved down our throats ad nauseum by both parties whether we like it or not, and the majority of us don't like it.
How so? People are angry that they have no say on the issue on immigration, most want it reduced DRAMATICALLY, and Bush is doing nothing about it. Bush has paid very little attendtion to non "investor class" conservatives.
Yeah, typing angrily that you're going to stay home or vote third-party is really going to solve matters.
Sorry to see your Democrat Socialist boy Hoeffel doing so poorly against the Republican candidate. You just can't win anything anywhere, can you?
LOL! If anyone HAD said it, it would have been the lie of the century.
Then being here makes them ILLEGAL, it is a FELONY to hire them. I do not care how hard they work, they are not here via LEGAL means. What do people not understand about this? Does protection of the "investor class" trup the rule of LAW?
"If the Dems had any sense at all (which they don't as dedicated leftists), they would have run a candidate like Zel Miller"
You may be right, but there aren't enough lucid Democrats around to rub two dimes together. We know Zel is voting for Bush.
Got any solutions janet, or just grievences?
Never mind, stupid question.
"I pay an American to cut my grass, he does it just as cheaply."
I mow my own and don't pay myself much.
You can make a difference. Bush listened to conservatives who were angry over government spending in the spring. Bush is not the type of person who, after winning reelection, is going to flip the bird at conservatives since he doesn't have to worry about another reelection. Bush has a broad, conservative agenda laid out for the next term, and cracking down on illegal immigration is one of them.
I love the "Enact the left wing agenda, to take away their issues."
What next? A new medical entitlement? More federal education programs? Campaign Finance Reform? Open Borders? Foreign election observers? Assault Weapons Ban?
"I know the office where I work is cleaned by Mexicans every night. No one else wants to do that work. I assume that these guys are documented, but they are here to work and perform a service"
They do the jobs that American's don't want to do...what's always left out is "at the wages employers want to pay". wonder what the response would be if employers offered 20/hr? Low wages mean no innovation, no automation, and the taxpayer gets to supplement the cheap wages with things like taxpayer funded health care.
It's not that he doesn't agree with Bush 100% of the time, it's that true conservatives don't even agree with Bush 10% of the time.
It's not about "all or nothing." Bush hasn't even come close to meeting his base half-way. Or a third of the way.
Bush's immigration plan offers bait for every currently-anonymous illegal alien to come in from the cold and *register* with the federal government, as well as registering their home, their U.S. employer, and their family. If you've ever been remotely involved with law enforcement, you know two things about registration:
1. It is easier to ban something (such as guns) once it is registered, and
2. It takes fewer LEO resources to track down someone who is known versus someone who is anonymous. In a time when we have over 8 million anonymous illegals, those resources matter.
After registering with the federal government, Bush's plan forces each illegal alien to pay a fine for being here illegally.
One could consider it to be a giant plea bargain.
In return for registering and paying that fine, they get new blue cards. The blue cards allow them to remain in the U.S. for three years, legally, so long as they remain employed, pay taxes, and stay out of any legal trouble.
To get a renewed blue card after 3 years, they have to return to their home countries in order to apply. This sends millions back to their home countries voluntarily, preventing the need to have a forced military round up larger than the one last seen in Europe from 1937 to 1945 (6 million +).
Frankly, I've heard of worse plans. It's a plea bargain, not an amnesty (you don't pay fines for amnesties), and it gets anonymous illegals registered, as well as gives them incentives to finally stay out of trouble with the law.
So this plan doesn't have me flailing my arms over my head while screaming that the sky is falling.
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Of, course I want Bush re-elected. Already ordered my yard sign, bumper stickers, and t-shirts. I still am not happy with this issue though. I believe we can do more to protect ourselves, we just won't get it past the dems anyway, even if we try.
What a crap post.
Which 90% of the following do you not agree with?
Presidency of George W. Bush -- the first 44 months
President Bush signing a federal ban on Partial Birth Abortion
U.S. Forces In Baghdad
5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires
I used to cut my own grass and change my own oil but unfortunately my job has taken those joys of life away from me. It's a matter of time and money, in this case my time is worth more than my lawn care professionals time.
I'm not (a) Janet, but I do
Hold your nose and vote Bush in because Kerry will invigorate the terrorist and be totally ineffective at fighting them and if nukes go off in our cities the Illegal Immigration problem will be moot
However, The day after the election we work our tails off for the next four years to get Tom Tancredo in 2008
Plus if Bush loses they (The Republicans) will believe he lost not because he was too liberal but because he was too Conservatives and we would only end up with more and more RINOS taking control of the party
Californian as usual, stepped up to the plate first and did what we had to do. After we won our free election, the federal government, working in concert with the state conspirators, burned our ballots and declared our free election illegal.
Californians tired of paying for this utter chaos, watching our hospitals close one after another due to non paying illegals, watched our jails filled with them, our overcrowded classrooms become even more over crowded, while government demanded more money to pay for all of this.
We watched our standard of living, along with our wages go down, jobs taken by criminals, while greedy business owners sit in the corner of the back office counting their profits on the backs of the tax payers. Looking out at the landscape since prop 187, the entire country is going the same way. From North Carolina, Georgia, to Tennessee, Colorado, Indiana, Arizona, Texas, Ohio, Washington, Oregon, Illinois, and down the line.
Its gone from 2,000,000 to 5,000,000 to 12,000,000 and now some estimates are as high as 20,000,0000 illegals in country with hundreds of thousands entering every month or so. Is it not clear the intentions of the two beltway parties?
Is is not clear that instead of getting tough and stopping this epic lawlessness, the two parties are actually encouraging more millions to enter?
Now, here comes election, another four years gone by. And what are they asking us? Oh, just another four years and they'll fix the problem.
For crips sakes, when are the majority of people going to wise up to this government approved insanity?
Stick a fork in it. What have you done except complain to change things?