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GOP platform pushes amnesty
NJ.com ^ | 8/29/04 | Paul Mulshine

Posted on 08/29/2004 2:55:26 PM PDT by Afronaut

If there are any deluded souls out there who still believe George W. Bush is a conservative, I invite them to examine the 2004 Republican Party platform on the issue of amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Bush is for it. That makes him a liberal. Worse, he proclaims that the amnesty is not an amnesty. So he is not only a liberal, but a liar as well.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; bushamnesty; gwb2004; immigrantlist; immigrationplank; paulmulshine; rncconvention; rncplatform
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To: Howlin
Most of the most strident in their opposition to Bush's "amnesty plan" never voted for Bush in the first place.

Proof please, because I d@mn sure voted for Bush.

451 posted on 08/30/2004 3:14:53 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: Guillermo
Please give me a President who doesn't act based on what the Media or his opponents may say or do reactively.

As I recall when this board was established Bill Clinton was known as the original Poll Driven President, and he was pilloried for it. What has changed? Just one little word (D) became (P)

452 posted on 08/30/2004 3:36:38 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: itsahoot

Exactly.

The support for CFR on here is amazing. Would they have supported it if it was passed and signed by Democrats? No way.


453 posted on 08/30/2004 3:37:50 PM PDT by Guillermo (These are the two worst candidates for President in a very long time)
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To: Barlowmaker
Let's add Tom McClintock and Ron Paul to the wish list.

OK. They are real conservatives.

454 posted on 08/30/2004 3:38:28 PM PDT by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
and I am sure that President Bush was well aware of which way the vote would go if he decided to veto.

Then you are saying the President has no power to influence the outcome of a bill in congress? He did manage to foist Bill Frist on us as majority leader, so I guess he is not all that powerless.

In case you have forgotten, the President has not exercised the Veto one time in his tenure. I am not sure but I don't think that has ever happened before.

455 posted on 08/30/2004 3:48:33 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Even Jane Fonda apologized.

Would you post a link that proves that? I believe Joan Baez did, but I have no knowledge of such an apology from Hanoi Jane.

456 posted on 08/30/2004 3:51:41 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: Bogolyubski
It makes you wonder if the Clintons are running the Dem party and actually planned it this way so as to make way for the Hildebeast in 2008.

Thats probably not too far from the truth. It kinda seems like the Stainmaker and Evita have been keeping a low profile since the convention. They're just kinda sitting back and watching J E'ffin K implode. They'll never come out and say it, and when asked they'll mouth the party line like the good Stalinist soldiers they are, but Evita knows if Bush loses in '04 she's toast in '08.

457 posted on 08/30/2004 4:03:27 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Look, there's a tendency by some in this forum to try painting me as some sort of open borders advocate,

Now why would anyone on here want to do that, seeing as how you do such a good job of that all by yourself?

458 posted on 08/30/2004 4:22:20 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: WOSG

I realize that a handful of the soldiers fighting are not citizens --- most of them are not illegals --- but the soldiers should be given preference.

It's actually against the law for illegals over 18 not to register for the draft but you'll see very very very few have bothered to do so. It's just like with their own country, when it comes to fighting for justice they refuse to do anything, they want it all easy and that means getting USA jobs but at the same time they are not willing to fight for any ideals.


459 posted on 08/30/2004 4:45:00 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Southack
So you say. Where's the tangible evidence, however?

Have you ever heard of Silvestre Reyes --- elected by an almost all hispanic, all democrat region --- the only reason he ever became famous was because he put Operation Blockade and Operation Hold-the-Line into place, stood up to the corrupt Mexican government which condemned him strongly. He was seen as someone who would do something about the lax border. You shouldn't make the assumption that every USA born hispanic --- maybe whose family never immigrated or has been here for 400 years, wants a merger with the country of Mexico.

460 posted on 08/30/2004 4:49:00 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: MikeinIraq
Principles be damned, if you arent elected it doesnt matter a damn now does it?

What difference does it make if we feed the beast?

I may just stay home. If I do vote, it will be for a third party.

461 posted on 08/30/2004 6:11:37 PM PDT by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: carenot

The John's thank you and Hillary thanks you too.

Way to go....


462 posted on 08/30/2004 6:22:52 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Kerry renames the US The People's Republic of America)
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To: MikeinIraq
It isnt that Bush truly believes in them. He is keeping them from Kerry. Pure politics. Kerry has been out manuvered at every turn.

Our President doesn't truly in what he says?
Is this the FR that I joined?

463 posted on 08/30/2004 6:24:04 PM PDT by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: carenot

Our President doesn't truly in what he says?


HUH?

anyway, they are called feelers. But when you get them out in the public, you can measure how much support you have for said issue. But also you take an issue away from the other candidate.

Probably 80% of the more moderate stuff that has come out of the Bush administration hasn't been high on the President's priority list, but instead, it has been high on his re-elect bid list. Politics trumps all when you WANT to get re-elected.

At least, that is the way it works in DC, which is where politics trumps all anyway.


464 posted on 08/30/2004 6:30:15 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Kerry renames the US The People's Republic of America)
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To: janetgreen
I don't agree with his liberal policies at all.

I don't either.

465 posted on 08/30/2004 6:41:31 PM PDT by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Deny illegals anchor baby status

Babies born here are US citizens. That should never be changed.

466 posted on 08/30/2004 6:53:50 PM PDT by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: Barlowmaker
Now, the issue of the 5, 6, 10 ... God knows how many ... illegals already here can only be addressed through involuntary identification and security from immediate deportation.

Now that makes sense

467 posted on 08/30/2004 7:31:33 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: carenot

You're arguing with the wrong individual.


468 posted on 08/30/2004 7:59:52 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: itsahoot

I don't do it at all, people like you do it.

You do it for the same reason as leftists try painting Bush as an inarticulate moron, and by using the same tactics.

You do it because you fear me, and you lie about me because that's the only thing you can do.


469 posted on 08/30/2004 8:05:42 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: carenot

While you're at it, leave the forum.


470 posted on 08/30/2004 8:06:15 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: itsahoot

So?

It is the Constitutional charge of the Congress to enact laws. If anyone is to blame then, it would be the nearly 70% of the American people who supported CFR.


471 posted on 08/30/2004 8:11:48 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: itsahoot

Sorry that the President hasn't rounded up people by the million and thrown them into camps?

Thus far, your vision of America includes barbed wire borders, millions in camps, and Americans on trial for crimes against the State.

Nice.


472 posted on 08/30/2004 8:15:25 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
As far as "the stop and drop citizenship fiasco", that requires a change in the Constitution.

Not at all, the constitution does not confer citizenship on the children born of illegal residents, wrong headed custom does.

473 posted on 08/30/2004 8:15:56 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I'll consider making Bush accountable the second you get Diane Feinstein thrown out of Congress.

Maybe if all the complainers about California, would move here and displace some of the wackos that would be possible, until then I am only one vote.

474 posted on 08/30/2004 8:18:10 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: itsahoot
Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

Now, you may want it to mean something other than what it says, but it means exactly what it says.

475 posted on 08/30/2004 8:22:20 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: itsahoot

That's your exact problem.

Everything is someone else's fault, and you're just another victim.

Victim mentality.

You live in California, you send Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer to Congress year after year, and you want to blame even that on someone else.


476 posted on 08/30/2004 8:25:35 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You do it for the same reason as leftists try painting Bush as an inarticulate moron

Get a clue about who you are posting too.

And I am waiting for that link that shows Jane Fonda aologized.

477 posted on 08/30/2004 8:25:39 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Sorry that the President hasn't rounded up people by the million and thrown them into camps?

You are welcome to open your front door, and let as many people in as you want, but you have no right to open my door and make the same offer.

478 posted on 08/30/2004 8:27:14 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: itsahoot
"And I am waiting for that link that shows Jane Fonda aologized"

Ask Ollie North, my tagline is a quote from his letter to John Kerry.

And by the way...I'm not your Mexican houseboy, you want something, go get it yourself, I'm not here to serve you.

479 posted on 08/30/2004 8:28:06 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: itsahoot

I've opened no door, the problem is that all yoiu want to do is bitch about the door being opened, and blame others for it.

Maybe if California would quit coming up with crap like licenses for illegals, we could get the matter under control.


480 posted on 08/30/2004 8:29:44 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Now, you may want it to mean something other than what it says, but it means exactly what it says.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.....

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

Learn what commas are for, might help.

481 posted on 08/30/2004 8:33:30 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: itsahoot

You mean that you can be on United States's soil and not be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?

You just legitimized illegals by insinuating that the United States do not have jurisdiction over them, thus it can't enforce immigration laws the may be breaking by being here.

Brilliant bucky!


482 posted on 08/30/2004 8:36:43 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Maybe if California would quit coming up with crap like licenses for illegals, we could get the matter under control.

I voted for McClintock, just for that reason. Remains to be seen if the Lt. Governor with the help of the assembly will try to get this legislation in through the back door while Arnold is being worshipped at the convention.

If that happens it will be fun to see what Arnold then does.

483 posted on 08/30/2004 8:38:03 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: itsahoot
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Mmmm.

If I recall right, it actually says that "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

If your "coma placement" constitutional theory holds up, then the right of the people to keep and bear arms only exists as it pertains to participating in a State-based Militia.

Brilliant!

484 posted on 08/30/2004 8:42:34 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: itsahoot

You voted against it after it was voted in?

John Kerry?

Is this you?


485 posted on 08/30/2004 8:43:22 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: MaineRepublic

So if they manage to sneak in and get a job that an American won't do (plumber, electrician, carpenter, etc.) it's home free for them. These people are costing us billions, commiting crime and ruining our culture. Americans have been brainwashed by the media and our politicians (both groups who won't lose their jobs to illegals) to accept this invasion. The weak DO NOT survive. These people are bacteria invading a host with the intent to take it over. I've visited Mexico several time AND I WENT BACK HOME.


486 posted on 08/30/2004 8:45:06 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: itsahoot
Here.

You can consider this a gift from me.

487 posted on 08/30/2004 8:46:02 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: dljordan
"I've visited Mexico several time AND I WENT BACK HOME."

Way back before people started bitching about Mexicans coming over and staying, that's exactly what most Mexicans would do; they would come, work, and at the end of the workday, they would go home.

You want to end this problem?

Bring back the Bracero program, documented guest workers beat illegal aliens by a country mile.

488 posted on 08/30/2004 8:48:54 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: MaineRepublic

I AM SO TIRED OF HEARING THAT MEXICANS WILL DO THE WORK NO ONE ELSE WILL.
1. That is a bigoted racist statement, equivalent to Black’s made good slaves because they could handle the working in the cotton fields.
2. This country is not a two tier system, for our Constitution says that all men are equal.
3. There is not one job illegals do that I have not done myself.
4. The truth is that Americans will do the jobs, just no for the pay that is offered.
5. Because of our legal system, employers want illegals for they will not sue for sexual harassment or some other BS reason. With illegals they can circumvent our employment rules and regulations.
6. A new study says that illegals work during the day and are Gang Members at night. Crime rates go through the roof where illegals live and work.
7. What part of illegal do you not understand? What part of Criminal Felon do you not agree with.


489 posted on 08/30/2004 8:55:57 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: MikeinIraq

good luck


490 posted on 08/31/2004 5:27:07 AM PDT by taca
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To: Exton1

>>4. The truth is that Americans will do the jobs, just no for the pay that is offered.


Sir, that sounds dangerously like Socialism to me. In America we pay workers based on their contribution to the bottom line. It is what the market bears. If Americans do not want to work for those wages they are free to find work elsewhere. And in the meantime, there are a lot of immigrants who would be happy to work for those wages.


491 posted on 08/31/2004 6:27:02 AM PDT by MaineRepublic
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To: Luis Gonzalez
If your "coma placement" constitutional theory holds up, then the right of the people to keep and bear arms only exists as it pertains to participating in a State-based Militia.

Interestingly enough those commas appear to have been absent in the original copies, but that is another argument. We really can't expect much more from modern politicians.

492 posted on 08/31/2004 10:39:55 AM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: itsahoot; All
You don't get it hoot...Conservatives are the only ones that will be rounded up, and only then after they've had the opportunity to deny Christ. The root of all evil is the LOVE of money. Power. Lust. That's what has made this whole political season another trip into lunacy...

...what we are seeing is what people *REALLY* will lower themselves to *for power* and power over people...look at the RATS fighting the Republicans, while the Republicans (Bluebloods, Rockefellers, Country Clubbers, Moderates, RINOS) and everyone else does it to Conservatives and especially Bible believing Christians, (dare they also live with the Holy Ghost!)

We're running right on script for a HIStoric period, it appears, no thanks to CINOs, RINOS, RATS and AINOs...

...the anti-Christ spirit authors lies, deceit, theft, death, disease and destruction, etc.

All one has to do is determine who wants to deconstruct (destroy our traditional values and delineate the direct words governing us in the Constitution), steal (tax and spend), etc. - and we don't need to label them - we know if they are part of the solution FOR a viable sovereign America or if THEY AREN'T! Why argue with their agendas?

It doesn't take an oath to uphold the Constitution to actually do it (obviously)...and most will whore the Constitution for their own purposes, instead of putting selfishness aside and responsibility to God, Family, Country FIRST ... THEN The PARTY!

We have a society that itself is breeding enemies of America right here amongst us - and people spend precious time rationalizing their deviance from principle to mold reality into their political agenda instead of towards a restored Constitutional Representative Republic...amazing.
493 posted on 08/31/2004 11:18:24 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

LG: "Bring back the Bracero program, documented guest workers beat illegal aliens by a country mile."


>>>

Perfect! And it only took you how many posts out of nearly 500 on this thread?! LOL


494 posted on 08/31/2004 11:21:55 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: ApesForEvolution

And what's YOUR beef?


495 posted on 08/31/2004 4:01:49 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: itsahoot
"Interestingly enough those commas appear to have been absent in the original copies, but that is another argument. We really can't expect much more from modern politicians."

The best thing about you is your consistency; you're consistently wrong.

Look...this is the original, and the commas are there.

496 posted on 08/31/2004 4:08:34 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: itsahoot
Now, here's an original ratified copy...less commas, same meaning if you interpret it based on the placement of the comma.


497 posted on 08/31/2004 4:13:03 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Thank You, some scholars disagree, but this discussion is going no where. I don't believe you really want open borders, but I could be wrong about that. So lets just let it go at that. I am voting for Bush and so are you.
498 posted on 08/31/2004 4:24:52 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
That's a ridiculous statement.

You make it sound as if no effort is being made to stop illegal aliens from entering the nation, and that's an insult to the agents risking their lives each and every day to stop them.

Then where did the thousands of illegal aliens come from? Beamed in from the Enterprise?

499 posted on 08/31/2004 5:49:15 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: gitmo

There were over 900,000 apprehensions at the SW border in fiscal 2003...you call that no effort?

It's truly amazing to me that all you immigration fanatics crap on all the men and women who risk their lives daily doing the job you claim is not being done.

You all are below contempt.


500 posted on 08/31/2004 7:48:31 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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