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Hurricane Victim Seethes at 'Token' $1.69 FEMA Check
The Online Ledger ^ | 8/29/2004 | ANDREW MARRA

Posted on 08/30/2004 11:23:54 AM PDT by day10

One day after Donald Seither's mobile home was ripped up by Hurricane Charley, the 74-year-old retiree picked up a friend's phone and pleaded for federal aid.

Technically, he got it. But mostly, he got ticked off.

Seeking the government's help, the Punta Gorda resident — after being put on hold for 2 1/2 hours — got through to the Federal Emergency Management Agency and told his tale: a damaged roof, shattered windows and no electricity.

About a week later, a check from the U.S. Treasury came in the mail. Here, Seither figured, was the hundreds, maybe thousands, of dollars he and his wife would need to help rebuild their lives.

Then he opened the envelope and read the fine print. The check's value: $1.69.

It turned out Seither and his wife didn't appear to qualify for major federal assistance because they had insurance coverage. But rather than reject them outright, FEMA says it is giving them, and several other hurricane victims, token sums instead.

It's a quirk in a system intended to provide serious relief for those whose lives have been disrupted or destroyed. FEMA says for many, a small sum is better than nothing.

"I know $1.69 sounds ridiculous, but if the guy seems entitled to it, we're going to cut the check," said Butch Ducote, a FEMA spokesman.

Seither is not alone. Ducote said FEMA has received a handful of calls from other puzzled victims with small checks, though he could not say how many have been issued.

"I can assure you that checks that small rarely happen, but it does show you the effort," Ducote said.

The token relief carries an unintended consequence. For residents who spent much of the past two weeks living amid rubble without electricity, it can feel less like help and more like a slap in the face.

"I fell to the floor and I started to cry," said Seither, recalling his disappointment when he opened the envelope. He said he and his wife still live in the mobile home, which sustained roof and siding damage and had a tree jutting through a window after the storm.

FEMA, which provides financial support for the uninsured and underinsured in the aftermath of major disasters, says it has written nearly 42,000 checks worth more than $68 million to victims since Hurricane Charley nailed southwest Florida on Aug. 13.

That money has gone a long way toward helping tens of thousands with everything from home repairs to replacing damaged furniture and paying for clothing and medical care.

About 70 Floridians have qualified so far for the maximum FEMA award: $25,600.

But at the other extreme are people like Seither.

When he opened his envelope and called FEMA in a rage, someone told him the money was provided so he could buy a gallon of gas for his generator.

"I said, 'Evidently you don't live in Florida,' " Seither said. "Because gas here is $1.83."

He said he's not ungrateful but can't believe the federal government would go to the trouble to mail him a check for such a pittance.

"It's an insult," he said. "I would rather have gotten nothing."

Such was his anger that he took the check to a local radio station and railed against the federal agency on the air.

Seither's plight came to the attention of local FEMA officials, who found his case bizarre and decided to investigate.

"At first people thought it was just a misplaced decimal point," said FEMA spokesman Doug Welty. "But this was in fact a legitimate check."

Welty said it was impossible for him to say why a FEMA official decided to award Seither the exact amount he received. Aid requests are assessed case by case and are based on several factors, including the extent of a victim's insurance coverage and how much damage he or she can document.

In many instances, FEMA officials go to homes to assess the damage themselves.

Welty said he understands that receiving such a small check can seem insulting. But he pointed out that the only alternative would be to not send it at all — something sure to raise plenty of ire as well.

"If you don't do it, then people get (angry)," he said.

Seither said he's not going to cash his check. He's holding on to it as a novelty item. Someone already has offered him $24 for it, he said.

Now he's considering auctioning it on eBay.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: crybaby; fema; governmentwaste; hurricanecharley; victim
If the guy has insurance why is he whining? My parents live in Punta Gorda and had some damage to their home but they are not whining for money money from the government. Geeez!
1 posted on 08/30/2004 11:23:55 AM PDT by day10
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To: day10

LOL!! Great story!

"I trusted the Gubmint and all I got was a lousy check for $1.69!"

Too good!


2 posted on 08/30/2004 11:27:08 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: day10

Entitlement mentality. FEMA should have sent the guy a box of facial tissues instead.


3 posted on 08/30/2004 11:28:06 AM PDT by asgardshill (The Republican's best weapon lies midway between John Kerry's nose and lower chin.)
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To: day10

This does suck, but yea he does have insurance.

Besides, what's a minimum amount where you cross from rediculous to "much needed help". $10? $50? Jeez I'm starting to argue like a liberal!

I can just hear some guy not getting $120 because FEMA said it would be insult to injury. Lawsuit city!


4 posted on 08/30/2004 11:28:29 AM PDT by ruiner
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To: day10

Too bad he's not a black, gay, transgendered illegal alien from Mexico - then he'd get all sorts of money.


5 posted on 08/30/2004 11:28:29 AM PDT by PeterFinn (Free Tibet...from Communist China!)
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To: day10

Yeah, this is just a FEMA hit-piece. Charley was Bush's fault don'cha know.


6 posted on 08/30/2004 11:28:34 AM PDT by Oblongata
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To: day10

Another Kerry supporter, how much you wanna bet? $1.69, perhaps?


7 posted on 08/30/2004 11:28:42 AM PDT by Old Sarge (ZOT 'em all, let MOD sort 'em out!)
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To: day10

He's whining because he expected Uncle Sugar to come across with some cash. Never mind that he wasn't qualified - what does that have to do with anything when the entitlement mentality kicks in?


8 posted on 08/30/2004 11:29:08 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: day10
On the one hand it ticks me off that this guy is whining when he has insurance coverage.

At the same time I notice what a disincentive there is for having insurance coverage - apparently everyone, including the insured, seems to think that their fellow taxpayers are legally required to subsidize them.

Big FEMA payouts to the uninsured looks like the government incentivizing radical personal irresponsibility.

9 posted on 08/30/2004 11:29:22 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: day10

It's the taxpayers who should be whining, the overhead for producing the check probably was well over $1.69.


10 posted on 08/30/2004 11:29:53 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: day10

I'm bewildered. He had insurance. Why did he even call the government?! (Unless it was easier than playing the lottery...?)


11 posted on 08/30/2004 11:30:03 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Old Sarge
"Another Kerry supporter, how much you wanna bet? $1.69, perhaps?"

Maybe he can get Tuh-ray-za to part with a few thou to help him out.

12 posted on 08/30/2004 11:32:27 AM PDT by mass55th ( “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Local call!


13 posted on 08/30/2004 11:33:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: wideawake
"Big FEMA payouts to the uninsured looks like the government incentivizing radical personal irresponsibility."

That's exactly what they are.

14 posted on 08/30/2004 11:34:54 AM PDT by Truthsayer20
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To: day10
When our area was hammered by the Northridge earthquake ten years ago, several of our neighbors (all well insured, by the way) went down to the FEMA tent; they were all given on-the-spot checks for "emergency expenses" - as I recall around 3,000 zops apiece.

The understanding was that it was a no-interest loan, with nothing payable for two years. They were told that the "loan" would likely be forgiven long before anything came due.

Reminds me....I should call some of 'em up and see what happened in the end.

15 posted on 08/30/2004 11:36:03 AM PDT by ErnBatavia ("Dork"; a 60's term for a 60's kinda guy: JFK)
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To: day10

I wonder how much it cost us (the taxpayers) to process and mail this check?


16 posted on 08/30/2004 11:36:28 AM PDT by bankwalker (We are having a cultural civil war and our side had better win it.)
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To: day10
"I know $1.69 sounds ridiculous, but if the guy seems entitled to it, we're going to cut the check," said Butch Ducote, a FEMA spokesman.

it doesn't just sound ridiculous, it is ridiculous! If the guy's got insurance and doesn't qualify just turn him down.

17 posted on 08/30/2004 11:39:51 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: day10
Stupid move by FEMA.
It probably cost them $20+++ to do paperwork, print and mail the stupid check, that they knew would only insult the recipient.

It is as hard to understand the mind of bureaucrats, as it is Democrats.
18 posted on 08/30/2004 11:41:54 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: SandyInSeattle
I'm bewildered. He had insurance. Why did he even call the government?! (Unless it was easier than playing the lottery...?)

I think it's because insurance companies will take forever to pay up if they pay at all. Meanwhile he & wife live in a damaged trailer. I understand why Fema didn't pay but I think the guy probably thought Fema help would be faster.

19 posted on 08/30/2004 11:44:22 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Save a Democrat! Vote Republican!)
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To: All
"I fell to the floor and I started to cry," said Seither, recalling his disappointment when he opened the envelope. He said he and his wife still live in the mobile home, which sustained roof and siding damage and had a tree jutting through a window after the storm.

Doesent sound so bad to me, at least they are alive...
Just pull the tree out of the window, get some plastic and staple it to the roof and window hole, quit whining and go about life.
20 posted on 08/30/2004 11:50:35 AM PDT by 76834
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To: day10
Let's see... has insurance but demands taxpayers pay to rebuild his home. Seeths with rage when denied big bucks ... from our pockets. What's wrong with this picture?
21 posted on 08/30/2004 11:51:07 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: day10
why is he whining?

Because he thoght he could win more in the FEMA lottery.

22 posted on 08/30/2004 11:54:31 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: day10
We went through the FEMA deal with a tornado. They pick up what insurance doesn't cover. It isn't a handout.

A_R

23 posted on 08/30/2004 11:55:01 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: DJ MacWoW

Baloney...It's called double-dipping....


24 posted on 08/30/2004 11:55:47 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: day10
""I can assure you that checks that small rarely happen, but it does show you the effort," Ducote said."

It shows me the arrogance.......

25 posted on 08/30/2004 11:57:01 AM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: day10
Hey, between the $1.69 and his insurance, this guys gets to keep living there and playing Hurricane Roulette - with the taxpayers elsewhere picking up the tab for any actual losses.

I say if you live within 50 miles of the coast, you're on your own. We've got bills of our own to pay.

26 posted on 08/30/2004 11:57:07 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I'm bewildered. He had insurance. Why did he even call the government?! (Unless it was easier than playing the lottery...?)

"I think it's because insurance companies will take forever to pay up if they pay at all."

Actually, the adjusters usually write a check on the spot when they visit the insured. I have several friends with damage, (one is homeless), and the adjuster cuts a handwritten check immediately. BTW, I'm in Winter Haven, Polk County. We had a lot of damage and I'm still cutting up trees and hauling debris.
27 posted on 08/30/2004 11:58:48 AM PDT by DocRock (Check my homepage for more videos and links.)
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To: day10

I guess I think differently than many, but in a true emergency I think people need help. The people here that live in mobile homes rarely have enough money on hand to help them out in such a case, unless it's a second home.

But I live in FL - it is almost impossible to get insurance on a mobile home. In a regular house, its difficult, and there is a large hurricane deductable here.


28 posted on 08/30/2004 11:59:10 AM PDT by I still care (Have you heard about the Democrat cocktail? It's ketchup with a chaser.)
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To: day10

i wrote to the paper on this one. fema does give short term GRANTS (free) for those who lose their jobs, business,or home. this man didn't sound like he qualified for any of those so why is he surprised?

i wish you could meet my brother. he just blows me away with his post-hurricane positive attitude. he lives in charlotte harbor. he went to a retirement home with his wife and cat for shelter--however much of it got blown away so for the next day or so they were taking care of business there and helping relocate the seniors. finally he got home and thankfully his house was still standing with some damage to his ancient f-100 truck and the exterior of the house. i sent him a battery fan and you'd think he won the lottery. he was so thankful. he is such a good guy -- he lost his business for now -- but didn't want to file for fema because there were "so many who needed it more". he has been helping his elderly neighbors clean up and handing out $100 here and there as people need it. his own little fema. he has nothing but gratitude for the government and all the volunteers who have been helping while enduring the same horrid conditions as the victims.

just a bit of sympathy for those without insurance....i still support fema helping them. when you are broke, that is the first thing you quit buying and sometimes you don't buy it because it is so expensive if you are living in a house with insurance claims against it. the government does not want all these people who are hanging on by a thread to be totally destroyed.


29 posted on 08/30/2004 12:01:13 PM PDT by applpie
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To: DocRock
Actually, the adjusters usually write a check on the spot when they visit the insured. I have several friends with damage, (one is homeless), and the adjuster cuts a handwritten check immediately. BTW, I'm in Winter Haven, Polk County. We had a lot of damage and I'm still cutting up trees and hauling debris.

Thanks for the info. I thought it may take some time because of all the damage and I surmised insurance offices weren't immune to damage either which would hinder speedy settlements. Again, thanks! :-)

30 posted on 08/30/2004 12:02:28 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Save a Democrat! Vote Republican!)
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To: 76834
Doesent sound so bad to me, at least they are alive...
Just pull the tree out of the window, get some plastic and staple it to the roof and window hole, quit whining and go about life.

I couldn't agree more. Sadly, this is just another example of what whining wimps too many Americans have become.
31 posted on 08/30/2004 12:07:20 PM PDT by oh8eleven
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To: day10

If Hillary had her way, she would take the $1.69 "for the better good".


32 posted on 08/30/2004 12:08:04 PM PDT by Mark (Treason doth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I've lost two homes to hurricanes, both insured. In both cases my insurance company (State Farm) insisted I go through
FEMA. Instant cash versus waiting for settlement.

I got a motel bill paid for two nights in one instance, nothing in the other.


33 posted on 08/30/2004 12:09:12 PM PDT by dwilli
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To: .38sw

Perhaps he can get another pass at the trough if his insurance co. doesn't come through?


34 posted on 08/30/2004 12:15:34 PM PDT by Conservative Infidel
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To: DJ MacWoW
"Thanks for the info. I thought it may take some time because of all the damage and I surmised insurance offices weren't immune to damage either which would hinder speedy settlements. Again, thanks! :-)"

No problem. The State Farm Office for the entire state of Florida is about 1 mile down the road from my shop and the eye of the storm went directly over it. The traffic signals and trees were down, but the office had little damage, (to the eye). The day after the storm, they were setting up a "tent city" in their parking lot for additional, "out of town" adjusters coming in. This is a huge office and they were ready to get into damaged areas as soon as the trees and power lines were cleared. They must have learned some valuable lessons after Andrew in '92 and I was impressed with their speed in taking action.
35 posted on 08/30/2004 12:18:17 PM PDT by DocRock (Check my homepage for more videos and links.)
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To: day10

A typical Kerry supporter looking for a hand-out from the government. Oh wait, Jf'n K, feels his pain, but please refrain from asking for any cash donations from Frenchie. Bush/Cheney 2004


36 posted on 08/30/2004 12:22:31 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62) "See Ya"ll At The VA Clinic" "Xin Loi My Boy")
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To: day10
Why it's the government's duty to compensate those with property damage from a storm is quite confusing to me? Exactly why is it the government's role? Maybe guaranteeing insurers after meeting certain portifolio ratio's is the govenments role via insurance laws, but this is crazy!

The expectation scares me!

37 posted on 08/30/2004 12:24:26 PM PDT by blackdog (Hell is an endless hayfield needing to be raked, baled, and put up.)
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To: day10

FEMA another useless tax payer funded sucking hole

Republican used to stand for Less Government.....


38 posted on 08/30/2004 12:56:05 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: oh8eleven

He's a 74 year old retiree. The odds are he'll fall off the roof and end up costing the system more.

I live down in FL. I see both sides. There are retirees down here living in mobile homes that can't get up $2 for a gallon of gas. And as I said before, if anyone here knows the name of an insurance company that will cover a mobile home in Florida, please let me know.

My company cancelled my house because I have a german shepherd. She's totally paralyzed in her back end and so sweet in her whole life she's never even growled at anyone, but what do they care.


39 posted on 08/30/2004 12:58:30 PM PDT by I still care (Have you heard about the Democrat cocktail? It's ketchup with a chaser.)
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To: asgardshill
FEMA should have sent the guy a box of facial tissues instead.

LoL. I think they did. The check was cheaper to ship though!

40 posted on 08/30/2004 1:21:50 PM PDT by zeugma (The Great Experiment is over and the Constitution is dead.)
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To: I still care
"There are retirees down here living in mobile homes that can't get up $2 for a gallon of gas."

They made a conscious decision to retire to a mobile home in a hurricane path.

41 posted on 08/30/2004 1:27:27 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: day10

If FEMA covers losses for all of the uninsured and underinsured, why am I paying insurance premiums????????


42 posted on 08/30/2004 1:27:39 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: day10

That's kind of like the $1.00 tax refund I got a couple of years ago. I didn't cash it because...well why? They sent me a replacement check this year.


43 posted on 08/30/2004 1:35:22 PM PDT by tiki
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To: I still care
And as I said before, if anyone here knows the name of an insurance company that will cover a mobile home in Florida, please let me know.
I suggest you call the whining subject of the story. He lives in a mobile home in Florida and has insurance. That's why he didn't qualify for federal aid.

There are retirees down here living in mobile homes that can't get up $2 for a gallon of gas.
Oh please, don't start that stuff. Next you'll be telling me they eat dog food because George Bush won't pay for their perscription drugs.
44 posted on 08/30/2004 3:41:23 PM PDT by oh8eleven
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To: wideawake

Florida windstorm policies have a percentage deductible, if I'm not mistaken. You'd be surprised how many think that as long as they have Windstorm, that FEMA should kick in and pay their deductible for them. Geesh.


45 posted on 08/30/2004 4:30:17 PM PDT by singlemomofone
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To: arkady_renko

I'm curious...what was it that insurance didn't cover? Didn't you have insurance to cover the full value or at least the PB?

No offense, but FEMA isn't there to cover shortages for insurance. IMHO, FEMA should only cover community related costs, emergency supplies via community such as water, etc. It shouldn't cover insurance shortages...that's the individual's responsibility.


46 posted on 08/30/2004 4:33:16 PM PDT by singlemomofone
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To: singlemomofone
You are right. We personally had minor damage and didn't use our insurance. The city had some extensive damage though. Lots of people thought FEMA would be a gravy train and were disappointed when they found out FEMA was there to help, but not fill wheel barrows with cash for them.

I was impressed with the FEMA crew that came to help. I asked them where they parked their Black Helicopters. They snickered. (Listened to too much Chuck Harder years ago) It seemed their major goal was to get the people thinking ahead to recovery, which was exactly what was needed here.

A_R

47 posted on 08/30/2004 5:44:13 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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