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Caller ID: Do you really know who's calling?
CNET ^ | 8/30/2004 | Ben Chamy

Posted on 08/31/2004 5:34:50 PM PDT by wjersey

Your Caller ID feature may no longer be telling the truth.

This week, a company is launching technology that will make it possible for someone to choose what appears on phones that have Caller ID, the feature for displaying identifying information about an incoming call.

It could be a different phone number, or even a few words, said Jason Jepson, founder of Star38, which has developed the commercial Caller ID spoofing service.

Sales of Star38 will be limited to licensed private investigators and collection agencies, Jepson said. The service will cost $20 a month plus airtime charges.

The technique for replacing the usual bits of identifying information, such as phone number and name, that accompany inbound calls was discovered a few years ago by hackers. Privacy advocates fear that in the wrong hands, commercial services have the potential to be abused. For instance, telemarketers could use technologies similar to Star38's to trick people into answering a call that looks like a familiar phone number.

Star38 aims to overcome the stigma created by earlier pranksters and thieves.

"Unfortunately, what's happened is some hackers have got to it first and gave it a bad name," Jepson said. "If they step back and see the forest through the trees, they'd realize what they are doing is hard and illegal. What we are doing is neither."

The company plans to explore other markets as well. For example, Jepson said he's begun talks with Musicphone, a San Francisco-based service that lets people send songs, along with personalized messages, to any kind of phone--cellular or standard.

Musicphone wants to use Star38's software to send even more information about certain artists, he said. A Musicphone representative could not immediately be reached for comment.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: callerid; privacy

1 posted on 08/31/2004 5:34:51 PM PDT by wjersey
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To: wjersey

If the collection agencies try using this service they are stepping in deep doo-doo. Consumer Protection laws regarding collection agency practices/behavior forbid use of deceitful or fraudulent acts.


2 posted on 08/31/2004 5:36:58 PM PDT by BullDog108 (Know Your Enemy! http://bvml.org/webmaster/enemy.html)
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To: wjersey

My answering machine says, "Please leave a message. I screen calls"
If you don't leave a message, you don't talk to me.

The added bonus is my MIL will not leave a message so I never have to talk to her!!!!!!!!


3 posted on 08/31/2004 5:38:17 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Morologus es!)
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To: wjersey

So a creditor could have the name "mom" and cathc unsuspecting people? Sounds illegal


4 posted on 08/31/2004 5:39:05 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: wjersey
As the Internet becomes more transportable, home telephones will become more archaic, unnecessary, and unwanted.

The telemarketers will always be there as vermin are, but good entrepenerial capitalists will find ways to thwart them.
5 posted on 08/31/2004 5:39:34 PM PDT by Radix (This isn't a Tag Line? Well, could you point me to one?)
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To: wjersey
Crap! Right now I don't talk to anyone named "OUT OF AREA" or "PRIVATE CALL" or who has a 900 number or an 800 number or who has the same name as a state.
6 posted on 08/31/2004 5:40:49 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: wjersey

Callers from India use this a lot. I might get a number from the states, but on the phone is a telemarketer from India.


7 posted on 08/31/2004 5:42:17 PM PDT by gattaca (Great things can be accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit. Ronald Reagan)
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To: wjersey

Caught a new trick about a week ago. A company left a message on my cell phone, which when I listened to it called the company back.
They had encoded the dialing codes into their message to me. What ticks me off is that I will be charged for the call.


8 posted on 08/31/2004 5:43:35 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (Proud to be a FReeper)
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To: wjersey
I don't get many telemarketing calls anymore. Thankfully...

Most people who disturb me during dinner time are people I know, students, family, etc...

9 posted on 08/31/2004 5:44:44 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: wjersey
This sounds like just another setup for more fees. After they deploy the Star38 product, the phone companies will offer, for a fee, the Star38 Override feature on home phones.

-PJ

10 posted on 08/31/2004 5:45:04 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: netmilsmom

LOL


11 posted on 08/31/2004 5:45:04 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: wjersey

Well, if some telemarketer uses deceit to get people to pick up the phone thinking that a family member is calling then I don't think they'll get too far.


12 posted on 08/31/2004 5:45:28 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: Political Junkie Too

As if we need MORE fees on a bill


13 posted on 08/31/2004 5:45:30 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: netmilsmom
HA! HA! HA! Same here! Even with the "MIL"! :-)

Caller ID my eye! We've got it....but the saying here in my house is, "TALK TO THE BOX!"
14 posted on 08/31/2004 5:46:07 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: BullDog108
Consumer Protection laws regarding collection agency practices/behavior forbid use of deceitful or fraudulent acts.

I wonder if it could violate the identity theft laws when a "familiar phone number" is used to misrepresent the origin of the call.

15 posted on 08/31/2004 5:48:36 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: wjersey

If they don't want to tell who they are, don't call. I don't have caller ID its a rip off. Most companies have "out of area" or some 800,888 or other number you can't call back anyway. It's ludicrous to spend money on something that doesn't pay for itself, somehow. You can set caller ID so that they have to display their number or they can't call you. Phone services usually do not give you a good return on the cost, unless you have a business.
Why pay for long distance if you have a cell phone that gives you free calling.

People call here and I don't recognize their voice, I tell them "whoever they ask for" is UNAVAILABLE, may I take a message. I don't talk to salesman, every Fred, Dick and Susan who wants a donation, and I don't take surveys that take 15-20 min of my time. People waste hours monthly on unnecessary phone calls.


16 posted on 08/31/2004 5:48:40 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: VadeRetro
or who has the same name as a state

Great, you just missed a call from Miss Delaware.


17 posted on 08/31/2004 5:50:51 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: netmilsmom
My answering machine says, "Please leave a message. I screen calls"
If it ain't broke don't fix it! I have used an answering machine for decades. Forget about caller ID and all the other gimmicks...
18 posted on 08/31/2004 5:51:45 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: ProudVet77

If I ever have time off from Marketing my highly successful and wildly popular tasty treats on a stick, I think I could market a product the reverses charges at the touch of a button (ie tellemarketers pay for the phone call plus my phone minutes)
Extended options may include $9.00 per second for bothering me.
This Free Enterprise System just ROCKS, why Retire? This is too much fun.


19 posted on 08/31/2004 5:51:52 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (I made my Fortune selling Sugar Coated Cat Turds on a Stick at the DNC Convention)
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To: Larry Lucido
She was probably calling to tell me to stop drooling over her picture.
20 posted on 08/31/2004 5:53:49 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: BullDog108; wjersey; KayEyeDoubleDee
If the collection agencies try using this service they are stepping in deep doo-doo. Consumer Protection laws regarding collection agency practices/behavior forbid use of deceitful or fraudulent acts.

Misrepresenting your identity tends to be a felony called "fraud."

I imagine that, in more than a few localities, there are District Attorneys who might be willing to try such a case.

21 posted on 08/31/2004 5:54:00 PM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: ProudVet77
Dude, just call them back using 1-800-CALL-ATT!


22 posted on 08/31/2004 5:54:15 PM PDT by xrp
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To: wjersey
"Unfortunately, what's happened is some hackers have got to it first and gave it a bad name," Jepson said.

How do you give misrepresenting who you are and how you can be reached, for commercial gain, a bad name. You can't wet the ocean.

23 posted on 08/31/2004 5:55:28 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: netmilsmom
Hi, Can't get to the phone right now, Please leave your name, number and a brief message and we will get back to you as soon as we can.

I have 4 rings to answer and if I don't recognize the number I don't answer!

24 posted on 08/31/2004 5:55:55 PM PDT by rocksblues (Ah! The smell of toast on a November morning.)
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To: ProudVet77
What ticks me off is that I will be charged for the call.

I had some drunk calling me several times a week on my cell phone. I finally complained to the phone compan, and they said they couldn't do anything about it except give me a new number. I said that was the stupidest and most unreasonable thing I'd ever heard from a company in a competetive business.

I noticed, however, that the calls stopped immediately.

25 posted on 08/31/2004 5:55:56 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Larry Lucido

She looks very intellegent and has very nice teeth.
(Just spoke those very words to she who must be obeyed)


26 posted on 08/31/2004 5:56:54 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (I made my Fortune selling Sugar Coated Cat Turds on a Stick at the DNC Convention)
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To: wjersey

Great.
So this company will let perverts call women listed in the phonebook and by pass their caller ID?


27 posted on 08/31/2004 5:58:08 PM PDT by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: TexasTransplant
Well, let's see if I can get you in more trouble with the "one who must be obeyed."

Nice, um, fingernails.

(Now, what was this thread about again?)

28 posted on 08/31/2004 6:00:27 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: ProudVet77; LibreOuMort
Caught a new trick about a week ago. A company left a message on my cell phone, which when I listened to it called the company back. They had encoded the dialing codes into their message to me. What ticks me off is that I will be charged for the call.

LibreOuMort, time to get with our rep and write a new bill!!

ProudVet77, could you explain this in more detail? Surely your phone didn't dial from DTMF received in the message? Or did it?

29 posted on 08/31/2004 6:00:47 PM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi ||| Resource for Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: Larry Lucido
Great, you just missed a call from Miss Delaware.

#1. Miss Delaware isn't going to be calling me.
#2. If she did and got through, I'd have lots of 'splainin' to do to the lovely, intelligent, well-educated, and far more mature Mrs. Sionnsar.

30 posted on 08/31/2004 6:04:43 PM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi ||| Resource for Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: sionnsar

Nope. The message was one of several on my cell phone. As I was listening to and deleting the messages, all of a sudden I was talking to someone. She did not expect to hear from me, and neither did I expect to hear her.
From what I can tell (I'm an IT type) they had imbedded the call codes in the message.
I knew that could be done on a regular phone, the phone company makes a call based on tones. Apparently, and it makes sense to me know, the call codes on a cell phone are silent.


31 posted on 08/31/2004 6:09:31 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (Proud to be a FReeper)
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To: cyborg

there all elective...my local service is 11.75 a month no buttons and bells just plain old dial tone...


32 posted on 08/31/2004 6:12:11 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Political Junkie Too
This sounds like just another setup for more fees. After they deploy the Star38 product, the phone companies will offer, for a fee, the Star38 Override feature on home phones.

You're absolutely right. And I'll probably be the first in line to pay for it.
33 posted on 08/31/2004 6:12:28 PM PDT by birbear (stew.ybs@verizon.net)
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To: ProudVet77

Hmmm... Interesting. Potential for lots of abuse there...


34 posted on 08/31/2004 6:13:30 PM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi ||| Resource for Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: HAL9000
"I wonder if it could violate the identity theft laws when a "familiar phone number" is used to misrepresent the origin of the call. "

a "hacked cellphone" on "screensavers tv" will display on your caller i.d., "whitehouse, n the real whitehouse #"...

35 posted on 08/31/2004 6:22:40 PM PDT by hoot2
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To: netmilsmom

easily defeated:
"unavailable","out of area" or anyone not recognized=
no answer.
I'm sure Congress will pass a new law to save us all from
the invasion of the privacy snatchers.


36 posted on 08/31/2004 6:25:02 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the piece)
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To: hoot2

Just saw a link to a company that does just that the other day. You use their service to mask your actual phone number. Was posted right here on FR.
Perhaps the moderator can do a text search for the entry. Key word would be private investigator. I remember that phrase in the text.


37 posted on 08/31/2004 6:28:33 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (Proud to be a FReeper)
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To: wjersey
My last name is White so I typically answer the phone "White House". You'd be surprised how many telemarketers hang up immediately. Also, I told my wife if she married me, I promised one day she would live in the White House, and I was true to my word.
38 posted on 08/31/2004 6:45:07 PM PDT by Boiling point (If God had not meant for man to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat!)
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To: Larry Lucido

Now that WILL get me in trouble, we never discuss fingernails, it is an unwritten Law.


39 posted on 08/31/2004 6:53:47 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (I made my Fortune selling Sugar Coated Cat Turds on a Stick at the DNC Convention)
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To: ProudVet77
Caught a new trick about a week ago. A company left a message on my cell phone, which when I listened to it called the company back.
They had encoded the dialing codes into their message to me. What ticks me off is that I will be charged for the call.

Save the message and talk to a lawyer.
40 posted on 08/31/2004 9:20:15 PM PDT by NationSoConceived ("Truth bestows no pardon upon error, but wipes it out in the most effectual manner." - M.B.E.)
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To: wjersey
There is something I have been wondering about for a very long time, maybe someone can help me with this.

Say you receive an unwanted phone call from a telemarketer, and it is from a nice sounding woman. Suddenly, you launch into a sexual tirade about her sexual,,, desirability, and the fulfillment of your fantasies, and discuss intimate things with her, in a totally obscene way. Use every filthy word in the book, and ask how much she charges for a few hours of fun and frolic, and when can we meet?

My question is: Is that illegal, considering that you did NOT place the call - SHE called YOU???
41 posted on 08/31/2004 10:04:30 PM PDT by RonHolzwarth ("History repeats itself - first as tragedy, then as farce" - Karl Marx)
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