Hosts of ABC's The View GANG UP on Giuliani for Backing Bush (TRANSCRIPT & FREEP ALERT)

MRC ^ | Wednesday September 1, 2004 | BrentBaker

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The heated argument consumed nearly eight minutes, so space permits only some limited excerpts as provided by the MRC's Jessica Anderson who caught the August 31 exchange:

Joy Behar: "Did you really say that, 'Thank God he was our President'? That's the first thing you said? You didn't say 'Oh, expletive,' or something?"

Rudy Giuliani: "No, no, that wasn't the first thing I said. That's one of the things that I said on September 11th to my police commissioner. It really came out because that was just a few months after that disputed election, and so I had called the White House to ask for support, and I felt very, very comfortable that he was in the White House because I know him, and because I knew he would be tough about it."

Behar: "I know, but so would Al Gore. Don't you think he would have been as tough on it? Of course he would. Any President would respond."

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: "I don't think so." [Audience applause]

Giuliani: "No."

Behar: "You don't?"

Giuliani: "No, I don't think there's any chance at all that Al Gore would have been as determined. I think Al Gore would have backed off now about four times with the kind of criticism that George Bush– [trails off]" [Audience applause and boos] . Giuliani: "Taking out Saddam Hussein was critical to defeating global terrorism."

Vieira: "But one is terrorism and one is the particular war in Iraq, and that's what I think people are upset about, because we went to war believing there were weapons of mass destruction. I was at the demonstration there on Sunday, that's what people were talking about. There were mothers of soldiers there. People weren't arguing against terrorism, it was the war in Iraq in particular."

Giuliani: "There's a tremendous amount of emotion always against war, always. In 1863, New York had tremendous riots against the Civil War and against Abraham Lincoln because they didn't want to be in the Civil War anymore. A President has to be able to withstand that. He has to be able to stand up to that." . Hasselbeck: "It's a long process."

Giuliani: "The idea that taking out Saddam Hussein wasn't part of the War On Terrorism really misunderstands the War On Terrorism."

Behar: "No, but people say it was a distraction from going after bin Laden."

Giuliani: "No it wasn't! Saddam Hussein was one of the principal supporters of international terrorism. He was sitting on top of $4 billion or $5 billion, he had used weapons of mass destruction, and Abu Nidal, who killed Leon Klinghoffer and maybe about 25 other Americans and a hundred other people, was operating out of Iraq."

Behar: "So were the Saudis!" .

Giuliani: "But the reality of that, that followed a quote of John Kerry's about an $87 billion supplemental budget that was to support our troops. And John Kerry voted against it, and then he explained it by saying, 'Before I voted against it, I actually voted for it.'"

Hasselbeck: "Right."

Giuliani: "And it seems to me you can't have it both ways and that's what he's been trying to do."

Behar, not joking: "He change his mind based on nuance."

Giuliani: "Everybody changes their mind. He makes it a rule to change his mind."

Vieira: "But being consistent isn't necessarily right if you're wrong in the consistency. You can be consistent, but if you're-" [Audience applause]

Behar: "You could change your mind. You change your mind."

Giuliani: "Sure I do, occasionally, but I don't change my core principles." [Audience applause]

Jones: "Come on, Mr. Mayor. You stand at that podium and support that President when you disagree with almost everything the Party socially says. You don't change your core issues? That's not fair, Mr. Mayor." [Audience applause]

Giuliani: "No, those aren't, my core issues are the national defense of this country, national security, and the economy. To me those are the two things on which I assess candidates that have the biggest impact on us."

Jones: "What about patriotism, Mr. Mayor? Because you know, you quoted something the President said that scared me. You said, you quoted him as saying 'either you're with us or you're with the terrorists,' and the President did make that statement. Don't question people's patriotism because they don't believe in the war."

Giuliani: "I do not."

Jones: "We love America! So why would the President make that statement? That scared me."

Giuliani: "It shouldn't because the president made that statement on September 20th."

Jones: "I don't care if he made it yesterday."

Giuliani: "He made it on September 20th of 2001, just a few days after the horrible attack on this city and Washington, DC."

Jones: "But you quoted it last night, Mr. Mayor!"

Giuliani: "I quoted it and gave you the date, because this country was united then."

Jones: "Do you believe that?"

Giuliani: "This country was united in the effort to go after terrorists and prevent what happened from happening again."

Jones: "Do you believe that today? 'Either you're with the terrorists or you're with us' -- that's not American!"

Giuliani: "Of course it's American."

Jones: "No, it's not! With 'us' -- who is 'us'?"

Giuliani: "You're either with the Nazis or you're with us. You're either with the Communists or you're with us." [Audience members boo]

Jones: "No, that's still not fair, Mr. Mayor. I'm surprised at you."

Giuliani: "Well, I'm surprised at you."

Jones: "I'm surprised you would say that."

Giuliani: "The terrorists killed almost 3,000 of our people. So what side are you on? Are you on their side or are you on our side?"

Jones: "I am on the side of men and women fighting in Iraq right now, and I want us to support those people."

Giuliani: "You can't be on their side and be on the side of the terrorists."

Jones: "No, being against the war is not on the side of the terrorists, okay?"

Giuliani: "Nobody is saying you can't be against the war. Nobody is saying that."

Vieira: "The implication is that if you disagree, I think, with the administration that somehow you are on the side of the terrorists."

Giuliani: "That isn't who George Bush said that to, that isn't what it means. That's a way of misunderstanding what he's saying, which is what people do to him all the time."

Jones: "Well, please clarify it for us."

Giuliani: "No, I'm not going to clarify. You're either with the terrorists or you're with us."

Jones: "Why not?"

Giuliani: "Because there is no distinction."

Audience member yells out: "Who's 'us'?"

Giuliani: "'Us' is the United States of America. The terrorists are the people who kill innocent people, the people who killed people in Madrid."

Behar: "We agree with that."

Jones: "We agree with that."

Giuliani: "Good, now we agree. Then why try to misunderstand it?"

Vieira: "Can you be on the side of 'us' and also believe that the war in Iraq is flawed and wrong?"

Giuliani: "Yes."

Vieira: "Fine, fine, fine. So you're running for President in 2008, correct?"

+ Check the posted version of this item later this morning for a RealPlayer clip of the contentious session.

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Vieira boasted of marching in the anti-Bush/anti-war march with her family: http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040830pm.asp#6

Vieira: "My sons didn't want to protest. They chose to not go, or even just experience it. I wish they had because it was peaceful, the New York City police department, phenomenal. They did such a wonderful job. They had 40,000 of them out there and the people that demonstrated I would say, by and large, there were a few probably, I didn't see anybody that was out of hand at all."

Star Jones: "Aren't you impressed that your kids made choices? You know, one son decided ideologically he just disagreed with you, and he didn't want to be there so that nobody could misinterpret his presence."

Barbara Walters: "It was interesting when you mentioned the war, that here it is, and instead of discussing the Iraq War that much, we're discussing Vietnam war 35 years later. Doesn't make any sense."

Vieira replied: "I know, I know."

A website breaks down celebrities at the Republican Convention by race which included Elizabeth.

PDiddie wrote: "...it's pretty much nine white people with one token Latino thrown in for good measure (and a rather pitiful no-name crowd of white people at that)."

Here's the list:

- Michael W. Smith (white)
- Daniel Rodriguez (Latino)
- Daize Shayne (white)
- The Gatlin Brothers (white, white, and white)
- Elisabeth Hasselbeck (white)
- Ron Silver (white)
- Sara Evans (white)
- Dana Glover (white)

Send some "FREEPER WORDS OF SUPPORT" to Elizabeth Hasselbeck at: Email Elisabeth

SHE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT GETS IT!!!

[flashbunny]

dupe

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1204823/posts

[Landru]

"Giuliani: 'Good, now we agree. Then why try to misunderstand it?'"

BWWAHHAAA!!!

I see this man knows how to deal with the imbuciles permeating the quisling media these days, huh?

...gotta love ol' Rudy, don'tcha?

[no dems]

I'm confident Rudy can hold his own. Go get 'em Rudy.

[fight_truth_decay]

more to the story here .........from Media Research and external links as well. Thanks.

[Peach]

Bunch of washed up old women who have no sense of honor, duty, country, decency. May they rot in hell.

[Jaysun]

He has a tremendous amount of self restraint. I don't think I could have gotten out of there without cracking some heads.

[flashbunny]

yes, and that other information could have been added to the existing thread. Having different threads for the same story just because a little information is added just clutters up the site and pushes down other threads.

[kenth]

From reading that transcript, I'd have to say Giuliani ganged up on them.

Giuliani: "The terrorists killed almost 3,000 of our people. So what side are you on? Are you on their side or are you on our side?"

Real simple question. They don't want to answer it because if they answered honestly, they would admit they are for doing away with America as she is and try to implement something she's not. They squirm at the thought of being brought out into the light by answering honestly and saying, "I'm with the terrorists." They squirm at the thought of answering dishonestly by saying they are with us and being disloyal to their evil intent. They want to destroy America worse than the terrorists do. That's why they get so upset at the statement, "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists."

[OldFriend]

Does anyone believe for one moment that Joy-less Behar was thinking.....oh I wish Al Gore was the president on that awful day?

[fight_truth_decay]

I have always posted MRC and checked first for the Alert version posting duplicates on FR. I also try to add more to the comments. You are new I see. I have emailed Brent on our confusion. This is the first time the story has come out with 2 titles. It was not of my intent..so take it easy to me! ;(

Sorry for the confusion.

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[nutmeg]

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[Oldeconomybuyer]

I have no clue who these folks are, but they're idiots.

[skeeter]

Bunch of washed up old women who have no sense of honor, duty, country, decency.

Such a collection of nitwits with an aggregate IQ not too far exceeding the size of a large woman's shoe(Payless) are deserving of our pity.

Much more the people who get their opinions from them.

[fight_truth_decay]

...sorry you are not that New! ;)

[ArGee]

Giuliani: "Everybody changes their mind. He makes it a rule to change his mind."

That one put Kerry down for the count.

Shalom.

[MikeA]

Guiliani should have pointed out the "For or against us" line was directed at NATIONS that either align with us, or through their inaction and self-interest give aid and comfort to the enemy.

And Viera and the other Manhattanite airheads marching to oppose the president on the liberation of Iraq DOES give aid and comfort to the enemy, and emboldens them to keep spilling US blood to fire up the opposition to the war here in the US. Thanks Meredith, you friggin' ditz.

[Southack]

"Such a collection of nitwits with an aggregate IQ not too far exceeding the size of a large woman's shoe(Payless) are deserving of our pity. Much more the people who get their opinions from them."

In this case, however, Giuliani has been clever to use those women to shape the political debate.

Now we are talking about the kind of leader to go after terrorists. Notice that the women start out defending Al Gore, as if he was capable of going after terrorists, but they quickly dropped that line of their defense because it is apparent and obvious to all that the Left doesn't have that sort of leader on tap.

But that's what the debate is now focusing on...the kind of leader who will relentlessly hunt down terrorists.

Because Giuliani has shaped the political battlefield to that of our choosing, we have already won. The Left can debate nuances all day long, that won't help them win on this battlefield.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

[fight_truth_decay]

Viera's son seems to have a different opinion.

Jones: "You know, one son decided ideologically he just disagreed with you, and he didn't want to be there so that nobody could misinterpret his presence."

[workerbee]

I think all the quotes from the women on this show pretty much translate into "Cluck, cluck, cluck, cluck!" Gawdamighty, what a bunch of cackling brainless hens! I give Guiliani credit for sitting through it.

[weegee]

Giuliani: "The idea that taking out Saddam Hussein wasn't part of the War On Terrorism really misunderstands the War On Terrorism."

Behar: "No, but people say it was a distraction from going after bin Laden."

Giuliani: "No it wasn't! Saddam Hussein was one of the principal supporters of international terrorism. He was sitting on top of $4 billion or $5 billion, he had used weapons of mass destruction, and Abu Nidal, who killed Leon Klinghoffer and maybe about 25 other Americans and a hundred other people, was operating out of Iraq."

Behar: "So were the Saudis!" .

The proper response to this DNC/Michael Moore talking point is always "So then you support going to war against Saudi Arabia?"

[flashbunny]

no, I'm not, Ive been here since november of 2000 when rush mentioned free republic during the election dispute.

For the good of the board don't get territorial about 'your' threads. If there's an existing one, help the site by contributing to that one and not clogging up board with minor variations on the same article.

Every morning I go through all the threads since I last read the board and usually see many articles that are posted 2 or 3 times because people don't bother to check for duplicates before posting. Then we have 2, 3, or 4 threads each with it's own comments that is just wasting bandwidth and making it more expensive to operate the site. And the clutter wastes the time of people reading the site. It's inefficient.

[The Scourge of Yazid]

Exactly.

I'm anxiously anticipating the roll call of celebrities who'll be calling for the carpet bombing of Riyadh.

[nosofar]

That's why they get so upset at the statement, "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists."

It seems like they want to intentially misunderstand this statement. I think of it this way. Imagine two football teams in a game, the Cowboys and the Steelers. One of the players for the Cowboys criticizes the coach for bad play-calling. This does not mean he's 'with the Steelers'. However, if he begins rooting for the Steelers to win, then he IS. In fact, this is what some on the Left seem to do. They actually want the terrorists to win.

[mandingo republican]

This racial breakup convention thing is so stupid. First of all "Latino" is not a racial category - it is an ethnic clissification. There is no such thing as a Latino or Hispanic race and Hispanics can be of any race group. That singer cop guy might be Hispanic but he is Caucasian.

[Zhangliqun]

"Does anyone believe for one moment that Joy-less Behar was thinking.....oh I wish Al Gore was the president on that awful day?"

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I sure do. Which is what gives me such worry about our future.

Here in L.A. we had some sort of local election with a couple of ballot measures shortly after 9/11 and I recall some old woman saying right there in the polling place how horrified she was that Clinton was no longer president and what are we going to do now?

[GraniteStateConservative]

Behar: "I know, but so would Al Gore. Don't you think he would have been as tough on it? Of course he would. Any President would respond."

Elisabeth Hasselbeck: "I don't think so." [Audience applause]

Giuliani: "No."

Behar: "You don't?"

Giuliani: "No, I don't think there's any chance at all that Al Gore would have been as determined. I think Al Gore would have backed off now about four times with the kind of criticism that George Bush– [trails off]" [Audience applause and boos] . Giuliani: "Taking out Saddam Hussein was critical to defeating global terrorism."

Sure Gore would have attacked Afghanistan and removed the Taliban from power and scooped up Al Qaeda members-- just like Bill did when Al Qaeda attacked us all those times. Oh, wait.

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..sorry for your inconvenience, but have mailed my contact at MRC for double title alert...for the good of the thread please email me, as I have you. to spare the group from our "friendly" discussion on this subject. Sorry I don't have the time you have to go thru the threads 3-4 times.

Again, we all will be alerted to our wasting the time of readers as well as the bandwidth thru our faux pas in posting.
Thanks again and...

You have a good day,
fight_truth_decay ;)

[The Scourge of Yazid]

Daniel Rodriguez/NYPD/Opera bump!

http://www.danielrodriguezmusic.com/

Brooklyn native.

[Zhangliqun]

Though overall it sure looks like Rudy put his foot in a few butts pretty hard, straight and true -- There is one thing I wish he would have said to further clarify the point about with-us-or-against-us:

Yes, you can have misgivings about the invasion of Iraq without being unpatriotic. It's the REASONS GIVEN for said misgivings/objections/dissent that determines whether you are patriotic or not.

For example: if you're a military wife with 5 mouths to feed and no family or support system to help you if your husband is KIA, I can understand being against invading Iraq.

But if you take the Michael Moore/Noam Chomsky/Jim McDermott/Hollywood line that the invasion of Iraq is more evidence that America is an inherently evil, corrupt, genocidal institution, then I don't know how much more UN-patriotic can get than that. Sheesh -- with "patriots" like that, who needs traitors?

[Samwise]

The View, or as Hubby calls it "The Screaming Witches"

He pronounces "Witches" with a "B" though.

[SunkenCiv]

Gosh, I'm so surprised, partisan media shills on national TV on a regular basis.

George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

[talleyman]

Giuliani: "Everybody changes their mind. He makes it a rule to change his mind."

LOL! Repeat, as needed.

[talleyman]

with "patriots" like that, who needs traitors?

Winner!

[The Scourge of Yazid]

Different Ways To Suppress Sexual desire:

Watching The View.

Edvard Munch's "The Scream":

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fight_truth_decay]

We know where this little old lady got her information..pseudo news shows like The View..purely produced for entertainment value.

Some uninformed viewers think the host's "views" are the actual facts on a subject. They use Barbara Walters's background and those of some of the hosts', as well, to present an image of a news team...with "giggles".

[Zhangliqun]

Some uninformed viewers think the host's "views" are the actual facts on a subject. They use Barbara Walters's background and those of some of the hosts', as well, to present an image of a news team...with 'giggles'."

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True, and I used to be one of them 20 years ago. Any time a 60 Minutes or 20/20 "expose" came on the tube, their credibility with me was very high and I sat there wide-eyed because, hey -- these are 'serious news people' so this must really be a serious situation!

But after years of soaking up rather gratuitous (to say the least) hip Anti-American cynicism from people I knew and having it largely supported by these serious news people, I was at the tipping point. It had been grating against my North Carolina conservative value system (not to mention common sense) on a subconscious level and this frustration was finally bubbling to the surface.

Then I caught Rush one day on the radio -- and like most converts, I didn't like him at first.

But his slogan he used to say a lot in those days was to listen for 6 weeks and you would start to "get" the show definite applied. The braggadocio and bombastic-ness, I figured out at long last, was just a way to tweak lib noses, and when I understood it that way, it was hilarious.

I made it official in '92 when I registered Republican. I was never exactly a Joy Behar but I was a bit soccer-mommish (embarrassing for a guy).

[OldFriend]

From my recollections, the dems were whispering among themselves that they were thankful it wasn't Gore.

They can revise their stories but they can't revise the truth.

I was there!

[ArGee]

He pronounces "Witches" with a "B" though.

Hmmm. Perhaps he can have that lisp checked. ;)

Here, honey, let me help you bash those dishes. Say, can you bake me up at 6:00 tomorrow morning? I bonder what's on TV now?

Shalom.

[Zhangliqun]

"From my recollections, the dems were whispering among themselves that they were thankful it wasn't Gore.
They can revise their stories but they can't revise the truth.

I was there!"

***

I believe you. Gore was never nearly as solidly backed and loved by the Democrats as Clinton, but they had no choice since he was the sitting Veep and not nominating him would be admitting they made a mistake. But he was Clintonian vacillation and indecision without Clinton's charm and charisma (as is Kerry).

I'm not saying that none of the Democrats secretly prefer Bush against Al Qaeda & Co., only that I believe someone like Behar could be that way and that she is far from alone.

[GeorgiaYankee]

Pres Bush aimed his "With us or with the terrorists" statement at OTHER COUNTRIES, not the other political party! Here's the quote in context:

"And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html

[longfellow]

Behar: "I know, but so would Al Gore. Don't you think he would have been as tough on it? Of course he would. Any President would respond."

Al Bore said "I would have found out why they were mad at us."

Behar, your proctologist called, they found your head.

[OldFriend]

Behar used to be on WABC radio. She once said that George HW Bush was a coward for not going down with his plane.

She was soon fired but it gives you an idea of the hatred for republicans that dwell in the hearts of these entertainment types.

[epow]

I tried to email Ms Hasselback, but the email link on the View website doesn't work for me.

Maybe her mailbox is overloaded. I'm guessing she's getting plenty of hate mail from leftist celebrities and media personalities for daring to break ranks with them in their pure hatred for Bush and the real America he represents.

[Naspino]

I like Elizabeth Hasselbeck -- she needs to get OFF that show and get her own.

[Veto!]

I'm emailing Elizabeth, as you suggest. She's always in the minority on The View whenever politics is "discussed." I saw Hillary Clinton on The View and the three idiots drooled as Hitlery told lie after lie. Only Elizabeth frowned and questioned her, though she was drowned out by the others. To reflect the approximately 50-50 split of the country, the show should at least have two Republican women on the panel.

[HRoarke]

Unfortunately the show is probably a pretty accurate depiction of voting women in this country. Leftism does pull at the heartstrings...

[bushfamfan]

That lovely P. Diddy! I know he wants to party with those Bush twins again, attempt to weasel himself closer to George W. Bush. I hope it IS true that Laura refused to be photographed with him. Has to play this nonpartisan b.s. He doesn't exactly provide good music talent or anything else. I hate that loser.

[Mrs Zip]

ping

[F16Fighter]

Hosts of ABC's The View GANG UP on [fill-in-the-blank]

In a perfect world, the View's cast is tossed into a Gulag (without make up artists) to carry on doing their "show."