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Film of Kerry War Crimes?
FR ^ | 9/1/04 | Me

Posted on 09/01/2004 3:16:09 PM PDT by swilhelm73

Listening to the Jay Severin Show.

Hannity is on, and just said that they have found film of Kerry burning down huts in Vietnam. They haven't got permission from the Cavett show yet, but he sounded as if they believed they would have it by next week for the Hannity and Colmes show.


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To: swilhelm73

151 posted on 09/01/2004 5:27:32 PM PDT by kjenerette (Jenerette for Senate - www.jenerette.com)
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To: swilhelm73; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Goodness, if this is true, we might be TOO successful in crushing Kerry. Which is to say, he's such a terrible candidate, maybe Hitlery will replace him, lol.


152 posted on 09/01/2004 5:27:36 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: All
From sacredcowburgers.com:

153 posted on 09/01/2004 5:28:24 PM PDT by HipShot (EOM couldn't cut the head off a beer with a chainsaw)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Interesting.
This after Kerry himself said that he shot livestock and burned a village down with his Zippo..


154 posted on 09/01/2004 5:28:47 PM PDT by Darksheare (Don't greet customers at the drivethrough with: "We are the Borg, resistance is futile!")
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To: Samwise

Exactly...which is why Brit, Mort, Fred and even Liasson thought it was ridiculous. Heck, as they pointed out, Kerry has been repeating Moveon claims for over a year. The fact is Kerrey also knows what he said is a joke...but the Democrats objective is now to try and link Bush with the SBVT, even if they have to lie about it. These guys are as desperate as I've ever seen them.


155 posted on 09/01/2004 5:29:27 PM PDT by cwb (John Kerry: Still attacking Vietnam Vets after 35 years.)
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To: Mo1

They (US armed forces) burnt down villages/huts/hooches in VC areas after the people had been removed to prevent them being used as staging areas for attacks. Unless JFraudK is shown directly as being at the village, ordering it burned, or lighting it himself, your PBS tape is unlikely to help any. Just my opinion, sorry.


156 posted on 09/01/2004 5:31:48 PM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, XO USCG patrol boat, 1968: No atrocities on my watch!)
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To: Steven W.
"...The fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations (CNO), Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me -- 30 years ago when he was still CNO -- that during his own command of US naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.

"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.

http://taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/02/11/2003098345

157 posted on 09/01/2004 5:36:29 PM PDT by angkor
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To: LibWhacker
Kerry took out his cigarette lighter and set the hut's straw roof on fire.

Wow. Can I ask what you thought when you saw it?

I can't believe they have footage of the actual event. My disbelief is based on my notion that toting around a film camera in the jungle during a war has got to be awkward. But seems to me I recall mentions that Kerry would film things in Vietnam. And because some of that footage didn't turn out well he sometimes had to do "reanactments". So I'm supposing this could be the real thing.

If it's a reenactment I guess the defense will probably be that Kerry was simply trying to visually demonstrate some of the atrocities he saw in Vietnam.

158 posted on 09/01/2004 5:37:37 PM PDT by Fishtalk (Once a liberal and victim of all the spin. Ask me to interpret.)
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To: CedarDave
They (US armed forces) burnt down villages/huts/hooches in VC areas after the people had been removed to prevent them being used as staging areas for attacks.

Yes, that is explained in the documentary

159 posted on 09/01/2004 5:38:37 PM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: Semi Civil Servant

Abu Graub was page C27 news for 4 months until the photos came out. It was first reported in January.


160 posted on 09/01/2004 5:38:47 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: All; FL_engineer
We would quickly get Terry McAullife's new choice.

Speaking of McAullife....did anyone hear him on Medved's show today? He was commenting on how "negative" the first two days of the convention have been and that McCain and Gulliani had made vicious attacks on Kerry. When Medved asked him to name just one, he couldn’t. Medved rocks!

161 posted on 09/01/2004 5:41:44 PM PDT by TankerKC (R.I.P. Spc Trevor A. Win'E American Hero)
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To: Samwise
I'm afraid you're behind the times. It is no longer the validity of the charge or the seriousness of the charge. It is now the timing of the charge.

No. When the accusations are against republicans, the seriousness of the charge is still the standard, without a shred of evidence to support the charge. The timing of the charge is the defense democrats use with 100% effectiveness in the face of a MOUNTAIN of evidence.

162 posted on 09/01/2004 5:45:52 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: All

The film exists- many have seen it- as guests of Kerry in his home.
Kerry shot the video and showed it to Charles Sennott of the Boston Globe, who reported on it in 1996.
Sennott spent 5 hours watching Kerry's home movies.

Jim Robinson posted the original article last Friday night.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201491/posts
I hope the whole article is still available ( I did print it out on Friday night )because it's a must read.

Kerry described how he multitasked-When asked how he filmed in the heat of battle, Kerry said :
" I'd steer or direct or fire my gun and hold onto it, whenever I could."
"Sometimes, the other guys would pick it up."

Kerry " explained how he returned later with a Super 8 mm hand held movie camera to record highlights of the mission."
" That's me right there, one of my crew was filming this."

" Watching the film and listening to Kerry's narration is to take a strange journey into the war."

"This was America's effort to win the war right here,"
he says as the film showed soldiers dousing gasoline on huts in a small village before setting them on fire."

" There was always a kind of sick, sweet smell of burning wood."

Page 62 of " Unfit For Command "
quotes George Bates an officer in Coastal Divison 11 describing how Kerry ordered the torching of a small hamlet that was obviously nothing more than a peaceful fishing village.

Kerry ordered the farm animals slaughtered and then Kerry ran around with his Zippo,
" burning up the entire hamlet."
Bates said the village was apolitical, no symbols or flags in evidence.
Bates said that " existing policies, decency and good sense required the boats to simply move on."
Bates believes that Kerry acted " in an almost criminal manner."

Another scene from Kerry's home movie :
" There is Kerry in cutoff shorts working on his suntan next to a Viet Cong prisoner bound and blindfolded."

Didn't Kerry just call for Rumsfeld to resign because of Abu Grhaib ??


163 posted on 09/01/2004 5:46:56 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue ( When the going gets tough-John Kerry gets going-far away)
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To: Jinjelsnaps
Bush was sent to kill babies and doggies and kitties!

and hamsters too-ou

164 posted on 09/01/2004 5:48:45 PM PDT by rubofthebrush (Clintoon went to Russia Kerry went to Paris)
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To: Fishtalk
If it's a reenactment I guess the defense will probably be that Kerry was simply trying to visually demonstrate some of the atrocities he saw in Vietnam.

No. Kerry performed reenactments of events and "battles" he personally was involved in. So, as I said above, and this bears repeating, if this film exists and it is a reencactment that means that John Kerry burned down a village, didn't get it on tape, then found ANOTHER village to burn down to film!

165 posted on 09/01/2004 5:50:53 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Mo1

The question I have is there anything in the PBS documentary that connects Kerry to any of the village burnings?


166 posted on 09/01/2004 5:51:56 PM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, XO USCG patrol boat, 1968: No atrocities on my watch!)
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To: Shermy
I wonder if Cavett handed them over?
167 posted on 09/01/2004 5:54:40 PM PDT by rubofthebrush (Clintoon went to Russia Kerry went to Paris)
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To: Steven W.
Did he do it because he heard that others were doing it?
Did he film it to have a record for his later baseless charges?
Was he just a loose cannon?
Was he doped out?

Whatever the truth, he was certainly a strange combination of theatrics and incompetence.

168 posted on 09/01/2004 5:59:31 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Partisan Hack
I can't wait to see the film. Kerry has put Dem voters in such an amazing position though.

They nominated a guy who ADMITTED he committed war crimes. Now maybe there is video to prove it.

For once the guy delivers.

I guess we will see this next week.

169 posted on 09/01/2004 6:02:08 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT!)
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To: CedarDave
directly connects??

Not directly .. it doesn't show that HE burned the hut down .. just that it's burning on his 8 mm movie

I understand what you are getting at though .. these are just clips ... but it does lead one to wonder what is on the rest of the movie
170 posted on 09/01/2004 6:06:51 PM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: FesterUSMC
John Kerry is just like a toilet at the highway rest stop.

Once you finish just get up and walk away and it flushes itself, and that is what he is doing as the people who were considering voting for him finish and walk away.
171 posted on 09/01/2004 6:08:54 PM PDT by stockpirate ("Kerry, backed by, supported by, lead by, funded by, admired by, COMMUNISTS!" It's about VVAW)
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To: jennyp

Spooky, I remember the same episode of Mission Impossible.

The original film zoomed in on a uniform and was black for a millisecond. That's where the IMF spliced in the incriminating film...


172 posted on 09/01/2004 6:09:52 PM PDT by HiJinx (Pin-ups don't keep you warm at night!)
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To: Mo1

Sorry, I'm still confused about all this. Let me ask it this way. You have a PBS film with a clip showing a village being burnt down. Either on the clip or in the credits the film is credited to Kerry. Is that correct? Does he appear in the film or in the narration?


173 posted on 09/01/2004 6:10:36 PM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, XO USCG patrol boat, 1968: No atrocities on my watch!)
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To: Phantom Lord

174 posted on 09/01/2004 6:10:54 PM PDT by Samwise (John Kerry is a pseudo-French elitist, ketchup-swigging gigolo, wannabe-hero, billionaire doofus.)
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To: sonofatpatcher2

 
 
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175 posted on 09/01/2004 6:15:19 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Christian4Bush
"And still 40% of the country would vote for him, because he's NOT Bush."

And for all we know, Kerry may even be lying about that.

176 posted on 09/01/2004 6:15:19 PM PDT by Fabozz
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To: alnick

Bob Kerrey is a Medal Of Honor Recipient. Unlike ALL other MOH awardees Kerrey direspects the MOH and all that it stands for. He is disgusting.


177 posted on 09/01/2004 6:21:14 PM PDT by Michael121 (An old soldier knows truth. Only a Dead Soldier knows peace.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Ya know the liberals whole moralistic high ground was built on their becoming the antiwar party.Bellowing about American atrocities etc.Now if F-boy is a proven war criminal -how can they handle this? Its getting tougher to be a lib everyday.
178 posted on 09/01/2004 6:27:11 PM PDT by rubofthebrush (Clintoon went to Russia Kerry went to Paris)
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To: CedarDave
Sorry about the confusion .. my kids are bugging me big time .

Yes Kerry is in the documentary

in this one part it explains how many in the heartland supported the troops and the war

Then it says how not everyone did and it mentions how Lt. Kerry had a change of mind when he came back from the war.

It goes on to show film clips of Vietnam and tells how they are from an 8mm camera that Kerry owned and had with him on the mekong delta (sp?)

It shows the part that Kerry showed at the DNC Convention of the boats in the river and Kerry walking around in his vest and helmet

Then it shows an empty boat in the river being shot at

Then shows a scene of a swift boat beaching on the bank of the river

Then it shows some guy lighting a hut .. then a clip of a family in a boat, with a smaller boat next to it .. then shows a big gun shooting at a building and blowing it up (I thought at first it just knocked the wall down, I just checked it) .. then it jumps to a hut in flames .. then it shows Kerry and 2 other men walking through some place .. only a guess on my part, but it looks like the hut after it burned down .. BUT, I'm not real sure, just a guess

Throughout this part of the documentary .. Kerry is explaining why vets coming back were against the war and how no one was listening to them

179 posted on 09/01/2004 6:33:23 PM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: Henchster
Have you noticed how REALLY HAPPY they look when they are around commies ?
180 posted on 09/01/2004 6:33:56 PM PDT by rubofthebrush (Clintoon went to Russia Kerry went to Paris)
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To: Howlin

This could hurt us, he's going to get fourth Purple Heart now,I bet hes probably got some HUGE blisters now


181 posted on 09/01/2004 6:42:08 PM PDT by kendu
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To: Fishtalk
Well, I was confused. I thought it was par for the course. 'Course, I was a little leftist myself back in those days (but in my defense I was a conservative before I was a leftist!--they tricked me!--before I eventually reverted back to conservatism...Note this means I'm not a neocon!).

Even then I couldn't understand why anyone would make a big deal out of it. It was common knowledge. Diem instituted the policy way back before we ever got involved. We just carried on with it. There were relocation camps, so what? That was my attitude then. After villagers -- whom we suspected of supporting North Vietnamese forces -- were relocated, we destroyed the huts, the tunnels, the crops, etc., everything, to keep that stuff out of Viet Cong hands. It was a legitimate strategy, imo.

However, people WERE NOT slaughtered wholesale like Kerry implied; i.e., it WAS NOT DONE IN THE MANNER OF GHENGIS KHAN. The Mongol hordes killed everyone and everything if they couldn't take it with them.

I knew we weren't doing ANYTHING in the manner of Ghengis Khan, no matter how much leftist propaganda I had soaked up. In fact, Kerry's Senate testimony definitely played a role in getting me back on the right track (though it took forever). I KNEW he was lying. Those were gut-wrenching times, let me tell 'ya. (Though I think it might be worse today.)

182 posted on 09/01/2004 6:43:29 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Mo1
Thanks much for this explanation. Sounds like even back then Kerry was shifting positions and had grandiose visions for the future.

The problem with this that is that in it Kerry has already inoculated himself against criticism by his apparent words at the end of the tape when he speaks that he was enlightened and "is explaining why vets coming back were against the war and how no one was listening to them". That means, unfortunately, his appearance there can be spun in a positive way in the minds of the DNC and MSM.
183 posted on 09/01/2004 6:47:07 PM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, XO USCG patrol boat, 1968: No atrocities on my watch!)
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To: swilhelm73

The toast I smell burning is.......

KERRY!!!!


184 posted on 09/01/2004 6:54:44 PM PDT by bannie (Liberal Media: The Most Dangerous Enemies to America and Freedom)
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To: dead

Hillary said it takes a village...until John Kerry came along and burned it down.


185 posted on 09/01/2004 7:02:59 PM PDT by RaceBannon (KERRY FLED . . . WHILE GOOD MEN BLED!!)
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To: RaceBannon

Snicker...


186 posted on 09/01/2004 7:04:58 PM PDT by bannie (Liberal Media: The Most Dangerous Enemies to America and Freedom)
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To: swilhelm73

Ah... the coup de gra?


187 posted on 09/01/2004 7:05:50 PM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: RaceBannon
Hillary said it takes a village...until John Kerry came along and burned it down.

To be fair, he probably thought they were Branch Davidians.

188 posted on 09/01/2004 7:12:21 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi

No, it took less time to Burn Down the Branch Davidians than John Kery spent in Vietnam...but not by much!!


189 posted on 09/01/2004 7:30:43 PM PDT by RaceBannon (KERRY FLED . . . WHILE GOOD MEN BLED!!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

OK. I'm not sure what you want me to take from this article.


190 posted on 09/01/2004 7:32:55 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: Steven W.; Howlin; neverdem
Why was a NAVAL OFFICR, who should have been working his duty on the Swift boats in the river, doing hos job running the boat, his crew, and his orders, be out in the bush burning villages?

Forget the camera stunts: That's obvious that he was planning a Bill Clinton JFK photo-op (as well as a General MacArthur re-shoot of landing at Philippines!)

A boat CO who is responsible for pacifying and helping Vietnamese citizens (OIC actually, but who cares) has no business in the jungle off his boat burning villages!
191 posted on 09/01/2004 7:57:00 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!))
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To: Unknown Freeper

One of the other guys "spontaneously" standing up on stage next to Kerry now ....


192 posted on 09/01/2004 8:00:19 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!))
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping to this, Tonk. I am still smiling over Zell Miller's speech tonight! Kerry is toast. This film is going to be one more piece of insurance.


193 posted on 09/01/2004 8:12:18 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: Leroy S. Mort

I think our neighborhood video rental store has this. Darnit they closed 15 minutes ago.


194 posted on 09/01/2004 8:14:39 PM PDT by idkfa
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To: OSHA

"Kerry was in Viet Nam?"

Kerry was in the senate?


195 posted on 09/01/2004 8:16:36 PM PDT by BigDaddyTX
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To: Howlin
Did you hear Capt. Marks on WPTF today? He said there are rumors that the Swift Vets have an October suprise planned. He is apparently close with some of them.

He said he wasn't sure but felt fairly strongly that they have obtained Kerry's "missing" military records and would make them public. It just keeps getting better and better : )

MKM

196 posted on 09/01/2004 8:22:40 PM PDT by mykdsmom (Kerry/Edwards: When you're as full of sh!t as these guys, you need 2 Johns!)
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To: MistyCA

Zell Miller was GREAT!

PS He's on MSNBC now!


197 posted on 09/01/2004 8:25:37 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: sonofatpatcher2

198 posted on 09/01/2004 8:27:21 PM PDT by Darth Reagan (your lazy butts are in this too)
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To: Peach

I believe that was BOB KERREY - not John Kerry.


199 posted on 09/01/2004 8:39:25 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Nov 2004 - an Election for the Soul of America)
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To: MamaLucci

It was Bob Kerrey


200 posted on 09/01/2004 8:41:18 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Nov 2004 - an Election for the Soul of America)
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