Posted on 09/01/2004 3:16:09 PM PDT by swilhelm73
Listening to the Jay Severin Show.
Hannity is on, and just said that they have found film of Kerry burning down huts in Vietnam. They haven't got permission from the Cavett show yet, but he sounded as if they believed they would have it by next week for the Hannity and Colmes show.
Goodness, if this is true, we might be TOO successful in crushing Kerry. Which is to say, he's such a terrible candidate, maybe Hitlery will replace him, lol.
Interesting.
This after Kerry himself said that he shot livestock and burned a village down with his Zippo..
Exactly...which is why Brit, Mort, Fred and even Liasson thought it was ridiculous. Heck, as they pointed out, Kerry has been repeating Moveon claims for over a year. The fact is Kerrey also knows what he said is a joke...but the Democrats objective is now to try and link Bush with the SBVT, even if they have to lie about it. These guys are as desperate as I've ever seen them.
They (US armed forces) burnt down villages/huts/hooches in VC areas after the people had been removed to prevent them being used as staging areas for attacks. Unless JFraudK is shown directly as being at the village, ordering it burned, or lighting it himself, your PBS tape is unlikely to help any. Just my opinion, sorry.
"We had virtually to straight-jacket him to keep him under control," the admiral said. "Bud" Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions -- but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.
http://taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/02/11/2003098345
Wow. Can I ask what you thought when you saw it?
I can't believe they have footage of the actual event. My disbelief is based on my notion that toting around a film camera in the jungle during a war has got to be awkward. But seems to me I recall mentions that Kerry would film things in Vietnam. And because some of that footage didn't turn out well he sometimes had to do "reanactments". So I'm supposing this could be the real thing.
If it's a reenactment I guess the defense will probably be that Kerry was simply trying to visually demonstrate some of the atrocities he saw in Vietnam.
Yes, that is explained in the documentary
Abu Graub was page C27 news for 4 months until the photos came out. It was first reported in January.
Speaking of McAullife....did anyone hear him on Medved's show today? He was commenting on how "negative" the first two days of the convention have been and that McCain and Gulliani had made vicious attacks on Kerry. When Medved asked him to name just one, he couldn’t. Medved rocks!
No. When the accusations are against republicans, the seriousness of the charge is still the standard, without a shred of evidence to support the charge. The timing of the charge is the defense democrats use with 100% effectiveness in the face of a MOUNTAIN of evidence.
The film exists- many have seen it- as guests of Kerry in his home.
Kerry shot the video and showed it to Charles Sennott of the Boston Globe, who reported on it in 1996.
Sennott spent 5 hours watching Kerry's home movies.
Jim Robinson posted the original article last Friday night.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201491/posts
I hope the whole article is still available ( I did print it out on Friday night )because it's a must read.
Kerry described how he multitasked-When asked how he filmed in the heat of battle, Kerry said :
" I'd steer or direct or fire my gun and hold onto it, whenever I could."
"Sometimes, the other guys would pick it up."
Kerry " explained how he returned later with a Super 8 mm hand held movie camera to record highlights of the mission."
" That's me right there, one of my crew was filming this."
" Watching the film and listening to Kerry's narration is to take a strange journey into the war."
"This was America's effort to win the war right here,"
he says as the film showed soldiers dousing gasoline on huts in a small village before setting them on fire."
" There was always a kind of sick, sweet smell of burning wood."
Page 62 of " Unfit For Command "
quotes George Bates an officer in Coastal Divison 11 describing how Kerry ordered the torching of a small hamlet that was obviously nothing more than a peaceful fishing village.
Kerry ordered the farm animals slaughtered and then Kerry ran around with his Zippo,
" burning up the entire hamlet."
Bates said the village was apolitical, no symbols or flags in evidence.
Bates said that " existing policies, decency and good sense required the boats to simply move on."
Bates believes that Kerry acted " in an almost criminal manner."
Another scene from Kerry's home movie :
" There is Kerry in cutoff shorts working on his suntan next to a Viet Cong prisoner bound and blindfolded."
Didn't Kerry just call for Rumsfeld to resign because of Abu Grhaib ??
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No. Kerry performed reenactments of events and "battles" he personally was involved in. So, as I said above, and this bears repeating, if this film exists and it is a reencactment that means that John Kerry burned down a village, didn't get it on tape, then found ANOTHER village to burn down to film!
The question I have is there anything in the PBS documentary that connects Kerry to any of the village burnings?
Whatever the truth, he was certainly a strange combination of theatrics and incompetence.
They nominated a guy who ADMITTED he committed war crimes. Now maybe there is video to prove it.
For once the guy delivers.
I guess we will see this next week.
Spooky, I remember the same episode of Mission Impossible.
The original film zoomed in on a uniform and was black for a millisecond. That's where the IMF spliced in the incriminating film...
Sorry, I'm still confused about all this. Let me ask it this way. You have a PBS film with a clip showing a village being burnt down. Either on the clip or in the credits the film is credited to Kerry. Is that correct? Does he appear in the film or in the narration?
And for all we know, Kerry may even be lying about that.
Bob Kerrey is a Medal Of Honor Recipient. Unlike ALL other MOH awardees Kerrey direspects the MOH and all that it stands for. He is disgusting.
Yes Kerry is in the documentary
in this one part it explains how many in the heartland supported the troops and the war
Then it says how not everyone did and it mentions how Lt. Kerry had a change of mind when he came back from the war.
It goes on to show film clips of Vietnam and tells how they are from an 8mm camera that Kerry owned and had with him on the mekong delta (sp?)
It shows the part that Kerry showed at the DNC Convention of the boats in the river and Kerry walking around in his vest and helmet
Then it shows an empty boat in the river being shot at
Then shows a scene of a swift boat beaching on the bank of the river
Then it shows some guy lighting a hut .. then a clip of a family in a boat, with a smaller boat next to it .. then shows a big gun shooting at a building and blowing it up (I thought at first it just knocked the wall down, I just checked it) .. then it jumps to a hut in flames .. then it shows Kerry and 2 other men walking through some place .. only a guess on my part, but it looks like the hut after it burned down .. BUT, I'm not real sure, just a guess
Throughout this part of the documentary .. Kerry is explaining why vets coming back were against the war and how no one was listening to them
This could hurt us, he's going to get fourth Purple Heart now,I bet hes probably got some HUGE blisters now
Even then I couldn't understand why anyone would make a big deal out of it. It was common knowledge. Diem instituted the policy way back before we ever got involved. We just carried on with it. There were relocation camps, so what? That was my attitude then. After villagers -- whom we suspected of supporting North Vietnamese forces -- were relocated, we destroyed the huts, the tunnels, the crops, etc., everything, to keep that stuff out of Viet Cong hands. It was a legitimate strategy, imo.
However, people WERE NOT slaughtered wholesale like Kerry implied; i.e., it WAS NOT DONE IN THE MANNER OF GHENGIS KHAN. The Mongol hordes killed everyone and everything if they couldn't take it with them.
I knew we weren't doing ANYTHING in the manner of Ghengis Khan, no matter how much leftist propaganda I had soaked up. In fact, Kerry's Senate testimony definitely played a role in getting me back on the right track (though it took forever). I KNEW he was lying. Those were gut-wrenching times, let me tell 'ya. (Though I think it might be worse today.)
The toast I smell burning is.......
KERRY!!!!
Hillary said it takes a village...until John Kerry came along and burned it down.
Snicker...
Ah... the coup de gra?
To be fair, he probably thought they were Branch Davidians.
No, it took less time to Burn Down the Branch Davidians than John Kery spent in Vietnam...but not by much!!
OK. I'm not sure what you want me to take from this article.
One of the other guys "spontaneously" standing up on stage next to Kerry now ....
Thanks for the ping to this, Tonk. I am still smiling over Zell Miller's speech tonight! Kerry is toast. This film is going to be one more piece of insurance.
I think our neighborhood video rental store has this. Darnit they closed 15 minutes ago.
"Kerry was in Viet Nam?"
Kerry was in the senate?
He said he wasn't sure but felt fairly strongly that they have obtained Kerry's "missing" military records and would make them public. It just keeps getting better and better : )
MKM
Zell Miller was GREAT!
PS He's on MSNBC now!
I believe that was BOB KERREY - not John Kerry.
It was Bob Kerrey
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