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Barry Goldwater, <I>The Conscience Of A Conservative.</I>
Personal Archives | 1960 | Barry Goldwater

Posted on 09/01/2004 3:57:31 PM PDT by PsyOp

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Time to compare today's "conservatives" to a real Conservative.
1 posted on 09/01/2004 3:57:32 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Professional Engineer; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it

PING!


2 posted on 09/01/2004 4:00:33 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: PsyOp

Does anyone remember that Goldwater drifted to the left toward the end of his life? I believe he suffered from Alzheimers and/or strokes.


3 posted on 09/01/2004 4:09:02 PM PDT by luvbach1 (President Bush is conservative only when compared with the commies allied against him.)
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To: PsyOp

But for an ad with a daisy being plucked and a mushroom cloud appearing.. what might have been.

Good post.. Thanks.


4 posted on 09/01/2004 4:10:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .... http://www.freekerrybook.com/ ..... 'The New Soldier' in pdf format)
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To: PsyOp
Bump for a true conservative! AuH2O
5 posted on 09/01/2004 4:12:43 PM PDT by 4CJ (||) Our sins put Him on the Cross, His love for us kept Him there (||)
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To: PsyOp
I still have my first paperback copy. I keep it in the same safe where I keep a copy of the Constitution and my 2nd. Amendment equipment.

"Barry Goldwater, in your heart you know he's right".

6 posted on 09/01/2004 4:12:50 PM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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To: luvbach1

I wouldn't say that he drifted left. He did soften a few of his stances. At least as far as I know.


7 posted on 09/01/2004 4:15:02 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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The future, as I see it, will unfold along one of two paths................. Or we will summon the will and the means for taking the initiative, and wage a war of attrition against them--and hope, thereby, to bring about the internal disintegration of the Communist empire.

Prescient!

Goldwater wrote that scenario 30 years before the fall of the Berlin Wall.

8 posted on 09/01/2004 4:20:41 PM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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To: PsyOp

9 posted on 09/01/2004 4:24:50 PM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: elbucko

He was precient about many things. Going through this book was almost like reading a Nostradamus retrospective.


10 posted on 09/01/2004 4:25:17 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: PsyOp
I wouldn't say that he drifted left. He did soften a few of his stances. At least as far as I know.

As his condition worsened, his gold digging 2nd. wife began to issue HER opinions in Goldwater's name.

11 posted on 09/01/2004 4:25:55 PM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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To: fat city

Very cool! Yours?


12 posted on 09/01/2004 4:26:24 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: PsyOp
Hello,

To give you an idea of my upbringing...my younger brother's name is Barry. Had I been a boy, that would have been my name.

Glad to be here, MOgirl
13 posted on 09/01/2004 4:29:33 PM PDT by MOgirl (In memory of Walton Wayne Callahan, I love you forever.)
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To: PsyOp

Thank you my good man!


14 posted on 09/01/2004 4:30:44 PM PDT by Barry Goldwater
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To: Barry Goldwater

The ghost of Barry Goldwater? I hope I'm not violating any copy rights here.


15 posted on 09/01/2004 4:32:34 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: PsyOp

Yes Sir. Got it when he called me about joining the right wing conspiracy to regain control of the government and roll back civil rights- about, oh, forty years ago. So far, everything is going as planned except that civil rights thing.


16 posted on 09/01/2004 4:33:07 PM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: PsyOp

How dare you post such heresy! You must be voting for Kerry and the terrorists.

Bookmarked...


17 posted on 09/01/2004 4:36:07 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP (Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault...)
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To: PsyOp

and.....

"Extremism in defense of Liberty is no vice"


18 posted on 09/01/2004 4:37:25 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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How dare you post such heresy! You must be voting for Kerry and the terrorists.

I have a sign in the back window of my car that says "Support Terrorism! Elect Kerry!" It gets a lot of double-takes.

19 posted on 09/01/2004 4:38:31 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: PsyOp
Going through this book was almost like reading a Nostradamus retrospective.

It is, isn't it! I held onto one of my other copies of "COAC" as I watched the Berlin Wall come down on TV, and tears of joy and exoneration coming down on my shirt.

God bless you Barry, you saw the future and pointed the way for Ronald Reagan to go the distance.

20 posted on 09/01/2004 4:38:43 PM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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And better than Nostradamus cause there's no need for interpretation of prophecies revealed. He was right and history clearly demostrated that fact in crystal clear terms.


21 posted on 09/01/2004 4:44:18 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: PsyOp
>> a willingness to accept defeat and humiliation rather than compromise principal.

Ahem -- "principle."

22 posted on 09/01/2004 5:12:12 PM PDT by T'wit (If you liked Axis Sally and Tokyo Rose, you'll love Hanoi John Kerry)
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To: Marine Inspector; sleavelessinseattle; 2Trievers; swarthyguy; Lazamataz; MistyCA; spetznaz; ...

Goldwater PING!


23 posted on 09/01/2004 5:47:24 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: luvbach1
Does anyone remember that Goldwater drifted to the left toward the end of his life?

It was described by those towards whom he was drifting as "maturing" or some such silly stuff.

24 posted on 09/01/2004 6:00:52 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: PsyOp
Went door to door for him after attending another convention in New York in 1964, that of Young Americans for Freedom.

The nation insisted on a six-trillion-dollar "War on Poverty" and a politically-sabotaged war in Vietnam.

Thanks to Ronald Reagan, the Soviet threat was smashed.

Hillary Clinton and John Forge Kerry are in denial.

25 posted on 09/01/2004 6:03:45 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: NormsRevenge
But for an ad with a daisy being plucked and a mushroom cloud appearing.. what might have been.

At least one person has noted "They told me if I voted for Goldwater we'd end up in a land war in Asia.

I voted for Goldwater, and, sure enough, we ended up in a land war in Asia."

26 posted on 09/01/2004 6:04:54 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: PhilDragoo
politically-sabotaged war in Vietnam.

Goldwater later said: "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."

27 posted on 09/01/2004 6:37:51 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: DuncanWaring

ping to #27


28 posted on 09/01/2004 6:38:52 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: All

"You've got to forget about this civilian thing. Whenever you drop bombs, you're going to hit civilians." - Barry Goldwater.


29 posted on 09/01/2004 6:41:33 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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"The only summit meeting that can succeed is the one that does not take place." - Barry M. Goldwater.


30 posted on 09/01/2004 6:42:41 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: PsyOp
Bump for later.

BTW please do not insult the .22 short, long, or LR w/the POS running for President.

My best friend shot a "Kerry Supporter" back in 1986, when he broke into his house in Detroit.

It was with a .22 rifle.

A .22 is better than 911!!
31 posted on 09/01/2004 6:43:46 PM PDT by Springman
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"None of us here in Washington knows all or even half of the answers. You people out there in the fifty states states had better understand that. If you love your country, don't depend on handouts from Washington for your information. If you cherish your freedom, don't leave it all up to BIG GOVERNMENT." - Barry Goldwater.


32 posted on 09/01/2004 6:44:09 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Barry Goldwater, speech, accepting Republican presidential nomination, July 16, 1964.


33 posted on 09/01/2004 6:46:07 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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"We must--ourselves--be prepared to undertake military operations against vulnerable Communist regimes. Assume we have developed nuclear weapons that can be used in land warfare, and that we have equipped our European divisions accordingly. Assume also a major uprising in Eastern Europe, such as occurred in Budapest in 1956.

In such a situation, we ought to present the Kremlin with an ultimatum forbidding Soviet intervention, and be prepared, if the ultimatum is rejected, to move a highly mobile task force equipped with appropriate nuclear weapons to the scene of the revolt.

Our objective would be to confront the Soviet Union with superior force in the immediate vicinity of the uprising and to compel a Soviet withdrawal.
An actual clash between American and Soviet allies would be unlikely; the mere threat of American action, coupled with the Kremlin's knowledge that the fighting would occur amid a hostile population and could easily spread to other areas, would probably result in Soviet acceptance of the ultimatum.
The Kremlin would also be put on notice, of course, that resort to long-range bombers and missiles would prompt automatic retaliation in kind.

On this level, we would invite the Communist leaders to choose between total destruction of the Soviet Union, and accepting a local defeat.
Had we the will and the means for it in 1956, such a policy would have saved the Hungarian Revolution."

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This paragraph above brought back memories.

-- I was stationed in Munich in 1956, and Ike had us on full alert, ready [supposedly] to jump into Budapest to protect 'american interests', when he backed down & let the Hungarian Revolution collapse.

I wonder if we could have bluffed the Russians at that point. -- I tend to doubt it.
Anyone here ever read any history about Ikes decision to deny support to Hungary?


34 posted on 09/01/2004 6:47:15 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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GAD! This really brings back memories. I almost flunked out of high school being the Press Chairman for the Youth For Goldwater...

And that was in Houston and my Dad worked for Brown & Root at the time!

Yet, if my late Father were alive today, he would be a conservative and vote that way.

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35 posted on 09/01/2004 6:48:05 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: Springman
A .22 is better than 911!!

I'm not trying to insult .22s. I own several, including a .22 mag. But there are times when the mission calls for a little more stopping power. Kerry is to the war on terrorism what the .22 is to the .44 and that is my point. ;-]

36 posted on 09/01/2004 6:50:11 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: tpaine
Anyone here ever read any history about Ikes decision to deny support to Hungary?

No, but I believe I have a book on it somewhere that I never got around to reading. I, too, was stationed in Germany. I was there from 81 to 83 when things ratcheted up under Reagan. Lots of alerts. Even got to look down tha barrels of ZSU 23-4 that was tracking us on a border flight along the IGB. Definite "pucker factor" there.

37 posted on 09/01/2004 7:02:13 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: sonofatpatcher2

Just picked up my copy of "Unfit For Command" today.


38 posted on 09/01/2004 7:04:54 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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"Nations do not arm for war. They arm to keep themselves from war." - Barry Goldwater.


39 posted on 09/01/2004 7:07:12 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: PsyOp

BUMP!!


40 posted on 09/01/2004 7:07:45 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Who knew it would be so much fun to watch a baby learn to grab her toes.)
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"You talk to Senator Goldwater about his views. I have expressed mine positively, affirmatively and completely, without reference to anybody or Senator Goldwater, but just myself. If I say I believe I loved my mother, you would say it is a jab at Senator Goldwater." - Lyndon B. Johnson, News conference, Washington, D.C., September 5, 1964.


41 posted on 09/01/2004 7:09:00 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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"Our aim, as I understand it, is neither to establish a segregated society nor to establish an integrated society as such. It is to preserve a free society.... One thing that will surely poison and embitter our relations with each other is the idea that some predetermined bureaucratic schedule of equality--and, worst of all, a schedule based on the concept of race--must be imposed." - Barry Goldwater, presidential campaign speech, 1964.


42 posted on 09/01/2004 7:11:22 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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"To insist on strength is not war-mongering, it is peace-mongering." - Barry Goldwater, 1964.


43 posted on 09/01/2004 7:12:38 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: PsyOp

If you can recall the title of your book I'd appreciate it.
I've searched before for more detail on that incident, with no luck.
Our entire division [the 11th Airborne] was on 'high pucker' factor alert for about a week. At one point we [the 503rd] were at our airbase south of Munich for two or three days, sleeping on the tarmac next to the 119's..


44 posted on 09/01/2004 7:19:31 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: PsyOp

Ok my friend, just took it the wrong way, it's been a long day. Stinks having to be up at 5:15am EDT!!

I'll read your full post later.

Too bad I was only one when Goldwater ran for President.

Thanks to him we had President Reagan.


45 posted on 09/01/2004 7:20:13 PM PDT by Springman
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To: PsyOp

Bump for bookmark and later reading. Also Barry Goldwater was an amateur radio operartor, K7UGA.


46 posted on 09/01/2004 7:31:41 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: PsyOp

Instead of Goldwater, Americans elected a crooked Texas Democrat with the ethics of a hyena.

No offense to hyenas meant.


47 posted on 09/01/2004 7:33:23 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: PsyOp

Conservative Bump


48 posted on 09/01/2004 7:33:54 PM PDT by SAMWolf (I know Karate, Kung Fu, and 47 other dangerous words.)
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To: tpaine

If I can I will. But I think it is in my storage locker where the bulk of my books are. I believe the book covered both the Hungary and Czech incasions. The title, I think, was something like "The Eagle and The Small Birds". Perhaps authored by someone who witnessed things.


49 posted on 09/01/2004 8:06:51 PM PDT by PsyOp (John Kerry—a .22 Rimfire Short in a .44 Magnum world.)
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To: PsyOp

I discovered that in order to get my driver's license I needed glasses and got a pair just like Barry's.


50 posted on 09/01/2004 8:07:37 PM PDT by Cagey
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