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School siege: Russians react
BBC ^ | Friday, 3 September, 2004

Posted on 09/03/2004 10:45:47 AM PDT by michigander

Last Updated: Friday, 3 September, 2004, 15:44 GMT 16:44 UK

School siege: Russians react

Hundreds of BBCRussian.com readers have been expressing their reactions to the bloody climax of the Russian school siege.

All have expressed sadness at the plight of those injured and killed in the siege, however opinion is sharply divided over the role of the Russian special forces and the actions of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Here is a selection of their translated comments.


What are you going to feel if someone puts a gun to the head of someone you love more than yourself? A huge desire to do something to save him? Huge anger? Hopelessness? Now all Russia is experiencing all of these feelings.
Sergei, Russia

I'm bitter that our law enforcement agencies are so helpless. I am ashamed of Putin who lacks the political will to get them into order and work properly.
Nikolai, Russia

Why are our intelligence services always one step behind the terrorists and do not anticipate their plans? Where are the analysts and people with non-standard ways of thinking? If we are at war, why don't they teach us how to live in these conditions? I work in a hospital and every morning, when I enter the building, I think how easy it would be to take us hostage.
Olga, Russia

Everything was done correctly... When a building is stormed like this there are always victims. Now the main thing is to take the same action against the surviving terrorists, to prevent others summoning up the courage to attack a nursery or a maternity ward.
Anton, Russia

It seems that hostages escaped themselves from the building as soon as it was possible. This was not an operation. There is no merit of the Special Forces.
Ale, Russia

As I understand, this was a reaction to a blast inside the building and the shooting of hostages. I think the Special Forces did everything right.
Sergei, Russia

As long as the Russian authorities think only about their own safety, as long as corruption and economic and criminal disorder flourishes in the country, nightmares like this one will repeat themselves again and again. With great regret, one has to accept that our Special Forces showed once again their complete helplessness. Alas, we and our children have no defence, we can rely only on ourselves, and on chance. Only why is it that we pay taxes?
Marina, Russia

It is easy to accuse the special services of not knowing how to do their job when you are sitting in an armchair in front of a computer. Having blown up a sports hall and begun to break out into the town the bandits left the military no choice. In these circumstances it was necessary to storm the building.
Maxim, Russian Federation

Those who failed to protect people must resign! Otherwise it will continue forever. They needed to arrest Basayev and exchange him for children. Why are the Special Forces so helpless? Ten years gone and nothing has changed.
Alexei, Russia

Taking into account that the storming was unplanned the operation can be considered satisfactory.
Nikolai, Russia

It's awful that people have died, but everyone knows very well that there would be many more dead people if the storming had not taken place. God give strength to the parents whose children were there. I am praying for one thing alone: that the number of dead should be small, may they at least be alive, even if they are wounded.
Lena, Moscow

This was inevitable. On the other hand, the authorities have shown a lack of organisation and coordination. How is that possible - terrorists escaping a building that has been surrounded for three days? The president must do something with those who are responsible.
Ivanov, Russia

Russian special forces are only capable of battling dissidents and providing protection to businessmen. When it is a matter of freeing hostages it turns out they are incapable of anything. But they receive medals and awards anyway.
Andrei, Russia

Obviously the initiative is in the hands of the terrorists not our authorities. The authorities are disorganised, that's why the storming was so chaotic. The result is the worst possible outcome. My condolences to the parents of the dead children.
Grigory, Russia

It's very frightening! How are the little children who endured this horror going to get over it?! How will the parents of the dead children go on living?! And the special forces, judging by the information coming in, were unprepared. Otherwise how could the terrorists have broken through the cordon? It is completely unclear who is guilty of starting the shooting which led to the deaths of so many people.
Anna, Moscow

I think there was no other way out. If the security forces had made compromises, this would have happened again. I am sorry for the dead.
Danila, Russia



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: caucasus; ossetia
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1 posted on 09/03/2004 10:45:48 AM PDT by michigander
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To: michigander

If they were American, many of them would be Bush voters today.


2 posted on 09/03/2004 10:49:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The economy won't matter if you're dead.)
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To: cripplecreek

I myself recently began to take a deadly form of martial arts currently taught to our Rangers, Marines, and Israeli IDF. I suggest we all do the same and take the offensive. These miserable roaches need to be exterminated. It begins with each individual being able to defend himself/herself and his/her family.

Get armed, get trained, get prepared, and be on guard to seek and destroy that which threatens the rest of us!


3 posted on 09/03/2004 10:56:19 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: michigander

http://www.neverforgetneveragain.com/


4 posted on 09/03/2004 10:58:28 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: chris1

Good for you. What is this form called?


5 posted on 09/03/2004 10:59:23 AM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: michigander
"This was inevitable. On the other hand, the authorities have shown a lack of organisation and coordination. How is that possible - terrorists escaping a building that has been surrounded for three days? The president must do something with those who are responsible. Ivanov, Russia"

Good question, Ivanov.

6 posted on 09/03/2004 11:03:32 AM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: diamond6

Ki Chaun Do

www.attackproof.com

It is based on deadly strikes that were taught to WWII soldiers fighting the Japs without the years to train in traditional martial arts.

In a very short period of time, I see myself becoming very able to fend off attackers and deliver hell on almost anyone.

Check out the site. Great info.

Semper Fi.


7 posted on 09/03/2004 11:06:48 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: cripplecreek
"If they were American, many of them would be Bush voters today."

Not necessarily;
notice how many blamed "the authorities" for not "protecting them."

The "Dimocrat" mentality is universal...

8 posted on 09/03/2004 11:08:13 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: chris1
"I myself recently began to take a deadly form of martial arts currently taught to our Rangers, Marines, and Israeli IDF."

Me too:

Handgun marksmanship.
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Contrast Russia with Israel: The Israelis armed their populace, and the terrorists stay the h3ll away from schools and such nowadays.

9 posted on 09/03/2004 11:11:55 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: michigander
Why are our intelligence services always one step behind the terrorists and do not anticipate their plans?

What? You mean strike them before they hurt you? What an utterly ghastly, barbaric and American thought. Seems like parts of the world are finally realizing the truth of the Bush Doctrine.

10 posted on 09/03/2004 11:14:45 AM PDT by rabidralph (Kerry wants to be the spitball president.)
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To: chris1

More details please?


11 posted on 09/03/2004 11:14:47 AM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (Shut up and sing. I don't care what you think.)
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To: SeeRushToldU_So

Go to:

www.attackproof.com

I was looking for something effective simple, and no nonsense. I don't need exercise bacause I am already fit, I wanted something reality based. This is it.


12 posted on 09/03/2004 11:17:15 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: chris1

Thanks! I think I have heard of that a long time ago.


13 posted on 09/03/2004 11:18:20 AM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (Shut up and sing. I don't care what you think.)
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To: michigander
I don't think the Russian people understood there wasn't much that could be done in the situation. It's time for Russia to declare war on terrorism and join with the rest of the world in getting this menace under control.

What is stunning is the fact that so many were Arabs!

14 posted on 09/03/2004 11:19:06 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Redbob

Don't kid yourself, many people panic and get to the gun. Marksmanship is crucial, but so it reaction time and response to fright.


15 posted on 09/03/2004 11:21:04 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: michigander

Uh - excuse me you stupid Russians - Reuters says they're "MILITANTS", not "terrorists". Got that?

</sarcasm>


16 posted on 09/03/2004 11:21:24 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...")
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To: Rutles4Ever
- Reuters says they're "MILITANTS", not "terrorists". Got that? Oh, ya mean they weren't "freedom fighters"?
17 posted on 09/03/2004 11:28:37 AM PDT by RonHolzwarth ("History repeats itself - first as tragedy, then as farce" - Karl Marx)
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To: RonHolzwarth

I'm sensing there was an incredible temptation at BBC to switch out the word "terrorists", which appears quite often in these direct quotes of the actual people who were there..


18 posted on 09/03/2004 11:30:23 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...")
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To: chris1

Ki Chuan Do?

So is your ki strong enough to knock somebody down without touching them?


19 posted on 09/03/2004 11:34:40 AM PDT by Rammer
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To: Rutles4Ever
I'm sensing there was an incredible temptation at BBC to switch out the word "terrorists", which appears quite often in these direct quotes of the actual people who were there..

WELL! I have another "take" on that!

I think they might have been talking in Russian, and the word they used would be more accurately translated as:

MURDERERS!
20 posted on 09/03/2004 11:38:12 AM PDT by RonHolzwarth ("History repeats itself - first as tragedy, then as farce" - Karl Marx)
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