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WHEN THE KILLERS COME FOR THE KIDS
NYPOST ^ | September 4, 2004 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 09/04/2004 8:00:04 AM PDT by jolie560

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To: Diogenesis

There are so mmany more that have been written off to "crazy people"
attack on empire state building deck
attack on el al at LAX
attack on van of jewish students in NYC
and these are the "smaller"incidents that get forgotten


51 posted on 09/04/2004 8:51:42 AM PDT by rang1995
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To: jolie560

"Delenda est Carthago":
Carthage must be utterly destroyed. (A phrase with which Cato the elder would utter after finishing a discourse in the Roman senate. He urged the Roman people to the destruction of Carthage, which he looked on as a dangerous rival to Rome.)

"Delenda est Islam"

All we know today is that where the once mighty city of Carthage stood there is now a desert of salt. Nothing was left standing. Salt was imported to make sure nothing grows out of Carthage again.

We may one day need to revisit the prophetic saying of Cato uttered 2400 years ago as we struggle agaist the tyranny of Islamic terrorism.

Maybe Islam forgot about Carthage!


52 posted on 09/04/2004 8:59:51 AM PDT by bubman
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To: Diogenesis

A fiery retribution is in order for Islamofascists and their collaborators.


53 posted on 09/04/2004 9:00:02 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: willie1

You are so correct. Muslim terrorists and their sympathizers are one cut below wild animals.


54 posted on 09/04/2004 9:04:26 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I wish I could believe it, but the Qu'ran also encourages lying to infidels to gain their trust, only to stab them in the back.

As much as I would like to believe it, I don't. I'm too cynical after reading much of Qu'ranic literature.

55 posted on 09/04/2004 9:04:59 AM PDT by Maigrey (Kerry: Up-the-Mekong-without-a-paddle... - Mark Steyn)
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To: bubman
We may one day need to revisit the prophetic saying of Cato uttered 2400 years ago as we struggle agaist the tyranny of Islamic terrorism.

Maybe Islam forgot about Carthage!

We are there today. The level of morality in battle is chosen by the side willing to sink to the lowest level. The killing of innocent children in front of their parents has reached the lowest level, I submit that it is time to let loose the dogs of war and strike this evil until they cry out that Islam is wrong, and they are wrong.

56 posted on 09/04/2004 9:07:07 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: freebilly

The silence has been deafening....



Not everywhere. I gotta find that post! I THINK it's a muslim group in Seattle gonna party on 9/11 calling for more 9/11's. I'll try to find the post.


57 posted on 09/04/2004 9:08:21 AM PDT by Just Lori (Communists, dictators, and terrorists all SUPPORT KERRY FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: dts32041

Jewish kids, Christian kids, Russian kids, kids and kids and no religion has a right of any kind to kill kids.


58 posted on 09/04/2004 9:08:28 AM PDT by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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To: Lurker
First you terrorize your opponents into silence so that your movement appears to have no opposition. This gives you tremendous power, not only because moderates quietly feel they are alone in their disagreement with you, but also because the ignorant media – especially the foreign media – casts you as the choice of the people. Having succeeded in silencing moderates, the next step is terrorizing them into cooperating with you. Soon passive cooperation is not enough. You want more than their body – you want their soul, so you terrorize the moderates into being "passionate" in your cause.

In the end, your movement appears to have only loyal and active supporters. Now you are in total control, for who would dare speak out against you? As Hitler said, 10 years before he finally rose to power, "The National Socialist Movement will in the future ruthlessly prevent – if necessary by force – all meetings or lectures that are likely to distract the minds of our fellow countrymen." In other words, all opposition is evil and we will protect you from it.

Sound familiar?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24656

59 posted on 09/04/2004 9:09:34 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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....all I an say is, "Time to feed the hogs".


60 posted on 09/04/2004 9:17:00 AM PDT by tarawa
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To: TigersEye

What is the MSM?


61 posted on 09/04/2004 9:19:09 AM PDT by Just Lori (Communists, dictators, and terrorists all SUPPORT KERRY FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: Diogenesis
In the future please provide a photo warning - my son was at ground zero on 9/11 and, as most freedom loving Americans, I don't need to see these photos to be reminded of the horror.

Thanks

62 posted on 09/04/2004 9:20:29 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: jolie560

Does anyone doubt that given the opportunity, this WILL happen in the USA? It is way past time to think about what to do. The answer is to follow President Bush and hopefully, President Putin in eliminating this threat. Put so much fear in these vermin that they will only dream about retribution while they cower in their holes!


63 posted on 09/04/2004 9:22:29 AM PDT by elephantlips
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To: Maigrey

The Bible encourages Christians to do lots of things that we don't do; Muslims are no better at following the letter of the Qu'ran than Christians are, what we are doing wrong, is attibuting the mindset of extremists to ALL Muslims.


64 posted on 09/04/2004 9:23:27 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: VRWCTexan

I understand your feelings, but Diogenesis has done us all a great service over the years by posting these and other pictures, reminding us of the true nature of the situation.

Many Americans have simply brushed 9/11 under the rug and pretend it never happened. It's terrible to see those pictures, but it would be even worse to pretend that nothing much happened. I was a few blocks from ground zero when it happened, and it has been very traumatic for me, too--more than I realized at the time. But we cannot forget.


65 posted on 09/04/2004 9:25:57 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
re: We must listen closer:

With respect, you're wrong. We should not have to listen "closer". The condemnations by Muslim leaders should be ringing forth so loudly and so vehemently that we couldn't ignore them even if we wanted to. Those leaders should be hounding the media and demanding a platform from which to denounce this barbarism. These Muslim leaders should be exhorting the faithful Muslims in their mosques to pour forth in public demonstrations and protest marches and midnight vigils and emergency relief fund-raising drives for the victims and their families. They should be loudly issuing fatwah's against the Islamofascist terrorists.

re:You see, the condemnations are out there, I Googled and found even more, and worded stronger. What we are failing to do is giving them sufficient air time to encourage even more condemnations.

Then we arm and organize those condemning the terrorists, and set them on one another.

There are condemnations out there, just as you said, but the key question is whether or not they are sincere, or just pro-forma public relations ploys designed to deflect some of the heat. No matter how "strongly-worded" they are, they're still only words, and words are cheap. Until we see some positive action by the Muslim community they will continue, by default, to inexorably bind themselves inextricably to the terrorist fanatics, and will eventually share their fate.

66 posted on 09/04/2004 9:26:23 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat (Negotiations are the heroin of Westerners addicted to self-delusion.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Muslim leaders in Russia have sharply condemned holding hundreds of children hostage by an armed group in the north of the country.

Sorry but this is BS. "Sharp condemnations" don't cut it anymore. The "grand" Muslims from Mecca on down should issue Fatwahs prohibiting any killing of non-muslims period. Also, instead of issuing condemnations, they should physically intervene. I am sure that "good" muslims know where the bad ones live...who they are..etc. Why don't they physically stop their "bad faithless muslim brothers" from committing mass murder???? Because they don't want to. The good muslims are as guilty as the bad ones.

67 posted on 09/04/2004 9:27:22 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

I agree. However, a few armed employees will not stand much of a chance against suicide bent losers with automatic weapons and suicide belts. As demonstrated in Russia, they move fast and instantly kill whoever gets in their way. I would like to see my children's schools in lockdown every day with posted guards on arrival and departure time. Woe be to the nations of anyone who target US children. GW will need to step aside for the whirlwind of parents - the ME just thinks they have seen violence.


68 posted on 09/04/2004 9:27:24 AM PDT by daybreakcoming ("U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?".....Zell Miller)
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To: jolie560

The mass murder of children goes on daily in the US. There have been 40 million babies killed since Roe vs. Wade. The Supremes made it possible. How come we don't see many RATs decrying abortion as murder, while it really is. Where's the outrage?


69 posted on 09/04/2004 9:28:41 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: dts32041
Correct -- my mistake. I'm happy to see that his CW novels are turning up in stores these days. I loved "Flames," but "Red Army is the classic of the genre. Trumps "Red Storm Rising" because Peters has actual CHARACTERS and does not focus solely on convoy actions. General Sir John Hackett's WWIII in Germany books are also excellent and far too maligned as dry, staff collegey tracts. Hackett could write -- and fight too, at least according to the Germans at Arnhem!
70 posted on 09/04/2004 9:35:37 AM PDT by BroncosFan (NJ 2005: Schundler for Governor)
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To: tarheelswamprat
"Negotiations are the heroin of Westerners addicted to self-delusion." That would be better stated as:

"Negotiations are the useless heroin of such self-deluded leftists as Kerry and the Democrats."

71 posted on 09/04/2004 9:35:37 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: tarheelswamprat
No matter how "strongly-worded" they are, they're still only words, and words are cheap.

My thoughts exactly. Deeds you filthy muslims....Deeds. They could stop it tomorrow if they wanted to. Simply by "good" muslims stopping the bad ones

72 posted on 09/04/2004 9:36:09 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: Pylot

You wrote:

"I no longer use the word terrorist. It is too generic. "

Two words.

Camel...
felchers...


73 posted on 09/04/2004 9:36:45 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Diogenesis
Great list.

I contend that their terrorism goes back much further. They invaded Spain in what,..800? Didn't they push infidels off the cliffs or something to that effect?

And there's more hidden away in the history of western Europe. I think a complete list is what the world needs to see, because there are those who claim that these terrosist acts are only in retaliation for years of us occupying their country(ies), etc....blah , blah, blah.. More blame US cr@ppola.

In the big picture, the Muslim religion is one of hatred, violence, and control. Has been from the beginning. The beginning, that's where this list needs to start.

74 posted on 09/04/2004 9:38:33 AM PDT by softengine (Once you acquiesce, its all downhill from there.)
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To: TigersEye

You wrote:

"You want to invade France and Germany?"

Recall last week Cheney spoke of redeploying
US troops, removing them from EU. . .

May be something to it </g>


75 posted on 09/04/2004 9:38:42 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Diogenesis
NEVER forget!


76 posted on 09/04/2004 9:43:32 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population - have them spayed or neutered.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The same people who sent this message, use the same Quran as those who killed the children in the school.

...are the same who call a "cease fire" so they can regroup and attack again.

...are the same who call their mosques "holy", but then hide inside them, and shoot from within...becoming indignant when incoming fire damages, or destroys the building.

Don't intellectualize the problem, or view it emotionally either.

It was politically "astute" that the Russian Muslims should condemn the school hostage-taking. What if they did NOT condemn it? Even if they completely agree with those who took the school and killed the kids and adults? They KNOW what is coming, and are trying to minimize impact. That's all.

They aren't stupid. But their condemnation isn't worth much (IMHO), other than being a smart political move.
77 posted on 09/04/2004 9:44:43 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I just checked your "about page"...and I "think" you are in Florida. We've been praying that God would spare you all from a beating by the storm that's currently inbound.

...prayers up for you and your family!
78 posted on 09/04/2004 9:51:07 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: freebilly
It isn't politically correct to say this, of course. We're supposed to pretend that Islam is a "religion of peace." All right, then: It's time for Muslims to stand up for the once-noble, nearly lost traditions of their faith and condemn what Arab and Chechen terrorists and blasphemers did in the Russian town of Beslan.

The time is past for condemnation. The only way Muslims can redeem themselves is with massive widespread slaughter of their terrorists. There have to be lynchings of these monsters in the streets of Islamic people around the world. 9/11 ended the time for mere words.

gitmo

79 posted on 09/04/2004 9:53:22 AM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: bubman

I would say delenda est Mecca Medinaque...


80 posted on 09/04/2004 10:00:29 AM PDT by Pitiricus
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To: jolie560
If Muslim religious leaders around the world... will not issue a condemnation without reservations or caveats — then no one need pretend any longer that all religions are equally sound and moral."-Ralph Peters

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**crickets chirping**

81 posted on 09/04/2004 10:10:10 AM PDT by Gritty ("People were praying all the time. Those that didn't know how to pray-we taught them"-Alla Gadieyeva)
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To: Spanaway Lori

Found it!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1207161/posts


82 posted on 09/04/2004 10:12:06 AM PDT by Just Lori (Communists, dictators, and terrorists all SUPPORT KERRY FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: hiredhand

Actually, it's you who are intellectualizing the issue.

Muslims extremists are not the majority of Islam, any more than any other form of extremist makes up the majority of any religion, or political system.

We are fighting a minority within Islam, don't increase their numbers falsely by intellectualizing the extremist viewpoint.


83 posted on 09/04/2004 10:28:34 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: hiredhand

Thank you.

Frances is right offshore, just ESE of me moving WNW, and it appears to be gathering strength.


84 posted on 09/04/2004 10:30:38 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: jolie560

The only way to prevent this happening in Western countries is to keep Muslim immigrants out of the West. Does Peters support that oh-so-politically-incorrect view or does he just want to keep writing safe articles telling us mass-murderers of children are icky?


85 posted on 09/04/2004 10:37:15 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: blasater1960

How typical.

There was a time when everyone in FR demanded condemnations from Muslims leaders as proof that they were against terrorism.

Now that we have condemnations, we demand specific wording.

No matter what happens, you will continue to move the bar.

What you are doing is isolating those brave enough to condemn the actions of terrorists while being in the terrorists' back yard by sending the message that what they're doing is not enough, and as such, you consider them the enemy as well.

By isolating them via the trivialization of their actions, you are assisting the terrorists in shutting down dissent.

Nice job.


86 posted on 09/04/2004 10:37:54 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: gitmo
"There have to be lynchings of these monsters in the streets of Islamic people around the world."

Maybe they can stone them to death, or even behead them and tape the beheading to cast fear in the hearts of terrorists. They could cut the ears and tongues off women who are believed to be involved with terrorists. Then, they can hack to death the children of the terrorists to teach those extremists a lesson.

You want moderates to behave like extremists in order for you to believe that they're not terrorists.

That's just dumb.

They need to behave in a civilized manner and bring them to justice, executing them as proscribed by secular law.

87 posted on 09/04/2004 10:44:20 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: dts32041

Ann Coulter was right.

Hunt down their leaders; kill them; and convert the rest to Christianity.


88 posted on 09/04/2004 10:56:25 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are still very few shades of gray.)
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To: dts32041
"An attack on children is an attack on all of humanity. "

We must work with Putin to go to the home countries of these killers and let lose the Dogs Fo War!

89 posted on 09/04/2004 10:58:12 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: Luis Gonzalez

When your government won't deal with monsters, vigilantism IS the civilized approach.


90 posted on 09/04/2004 11:13:24 AM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: gitmo

No it isn't.

Lawlessness is not the way to promote lawfulness.


91 posted on 09/04/2004 11:16:41 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

And we would be differnt from Islamicists exactly how?


92 posted on 09/04/2004 11:17:43 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Lawlessness is not the way to promote lawfulness.

I heard an interesting story a few years ago from one of two men awaiting trial. There was a community that was being overrun by drug dealers, hookers, and their customers. Shots were being fired into homes day and night. Families had their kids sleep in bathtubs, because there was some protection from bullets. The police would respond to reports of drug deals going down by driving a car through the neighborhood. The community had numerous marches to get the cops to respond. But they would collect the bullets from the walls of the homes and leave. The activity was all centered on one crack house. Everyone knew it, but the local government was 'helpless' to do anything.

Two men watched the house, and when no one was home they took a few gallons of gasoline and burned it to the ground. This time the cops responded. The men were arrested for arson and attempted murder (even though the house was empty).

Their sole defense was that the house needed burning.

If I had been on their jury, there's no way they would have been found guilty. What they did was the opposite of lawlessness.

Remember, the American Revolution was an act of 'lawlessness'.

93 posted on 09/04/2004 11:34:32 AM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: gitmo
"What they did was the opposite of lawlessness."

They broke the law, they went to jail for it. Had you been in the jury and voted to find them "not guilty", you would have been guilty of judicial activism.

The mere fact that one segment or another of the community feels justified in breaking the law, does not excuse lawlessness.

Let's say that the community I live in stands together in opposition to laws against marijuana use, and we decide to openly smoke pot.

Did we break the law?

We absolutely did.

The citizens of that town should have planted themselves en masse in front of City Hall and refused to move until something was done by the authorities; that's what sets us apart from Islamic extremists.

94 posted on 09/04/2004 11:42:06 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Retribution is not terrorism.

Sometimes the only way to rid a house of termites is to take down the building.

Anyone who sees the photos of these dead children and urges pacifism is a fool.


96 posted on 09/04/2004 12:03:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are still very few shades of gray.)
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To: jolie560
if those "men of faith" will not issue a condemnation without reservations or caveats — then no one need pretend any longer that all religions are equally sound and moral.

How long before our government leaders muster up the guts to say that? Pretense is all it is, because Islam was hatched by a bloody murderer and it teaches it's followers to be absolutely ruthless in the suppression of every other religion. The first time I heard Bush say something like "Islam is a religion of peace that has been hijacked by a few terrorists" I couldn't believe my ears. All you need to do to learn the bloody, awful truth about Islam is read the history of the last 14 centuries it has been in existence.

No doubt someone will remind me of the Inquisition and the Crusades, and the slaughter and torture attributable to those events and others. The difference is that in those events, and in every other instance where so-called Christians murdered and tortured in the name of Christianity the perpetrators of those horrors were acting in a manner exactly opposite to the teachings of Jesus Christ and true Christianity.

In contrast, Mohammed not only ordered the slaughter of multiple thousands of innocent people, he taught his followers to do likewise, and more. Authentic Christianity was not spread around the globe by threat of death and violent coercion, authentic Islam was and still is. Islam is nothing but a demonic death cult, pure and simple.

97 posted on 09/04/2004 12:10:02 PM PDT by epow
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To: jolie560
Did any of those protesters who came to Manhattan to denounce our liberation of 50 million Muslims stay an extra day to protest the massacre in Russia? Of course not.

Says it all.

98 posted on 09/04/2004 12:31:14 PM PDT by foreshadowed at waco
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To: demnomo

I just heard a local Dim on radio saying how she thought it
was so odd that no GW mention of OBL at convention.
She says it's because it's a sore spot for the GOP. But then
these same Dims will scream bloody murder if (IN SHA' ALLA)
OBL is captured in one month from now. The Dims will claim
we've had him all along,they'll "question the timing",ect,etc. As ususual, they want their cake( have someone else buy it for them) and eat it ,too.


99 posted on 09/04/2004 12:42:41 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the piece-DO NOT DISTURB Occupant is disturbed enough already)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

They sound exactly like Yasser Arafat. after another sensless bombing of innocent Jews, Arafat would condem it, and then buy more explosives.

C.A.I.R. supports Terrorism with Money and condems it in public, and they are here in America.

The Muslim Terrorists Laughed as the Russian children passed out from fear and thirst. Laughed.


100 posted on 09/04/2004 12:45:15 PM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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