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French Egyptologists Defend Pyramid Theory
My Way News ^ | 9/4/04 | PAUL GARWOOD/AP

Posted on 09/04/2004 10:50:57 AM PDT by wagglebee

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - A pair of French Egyptologists who suspect they have found a previously unknown chamber in the Great Pyramid urged Egypt's antiquities chief to reconsider letting them test their theory by drilling new holes in the 4,600-year-old structure.

Jean Yves Verd'hurt and fellow Frenchman Gilles Dormion, who has studied pyramid construction for more than 20 years, are expected to raise their views during the ninth International Congress of Egyptologists in Grenoble, France, which starts Monday. They also published a book about their theory this week.

Standing in their way is Zahi Hawass, the director of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, who heatedly rejected the theories during a Cairo press conference this week.

"There are 300 theories concerning hidden rooms and other things inside the pyramid, but if I let them all test their theories they will do untold damage to the pyramid, which was built with the blood of Egyptians," said Hawass. "I will not let Egyptian blood be damaged by amateurs."

He said earlier requests from the same pair were turned down in 1999 and 2003.

In their book, "The Room of Cheops," Dormion and Verd'hurt write that 1988 study of an area below the queen's burial chamber in the pyramid found what appeared to be an 11 1/2-foot "structure," according to the French magazine Science and Future.

"The study of this part of the pyramid was always neglected because there had been a grill to block access," they wrote. "While we were working on ventilation in 1988, we were able to penetrate into the depths and study briefly but not enough to state anything essential."

Verd'hurt laughed off Hawass'"amateur" tag, citing previous close relationships with Egyptian antiquities officials and work that he and Dormion had conducted in 1998 on the Meidum pyramid south of Cairo, which dates back more than 4,500 years to the 4th pharaonic dynasty.

The work at Medium, according to Verd'hurt, led to the discovery of two rooms and two passages that had been previously "undisturbed and unknown." They want to do similar work at the Great Pyramid, built by Khufu, a ruler also known as Cheops.

"To be sure of this process, we wanted to verify the result of our architectural works using a radar that confirmed the location of a passage and a system of closures. So I think that now we should at least take these results into account in order to go further in our work."

Verd'hurt said Egyptian opposition to his theory is a "shame." They are expected to raise the issue again with Hawass in Grenoble, but the Egyptian antiquities official said he will not speak to them.

Verd'hurt said he was disappointed by Hawass' refusal.

"It's true that Cheops arouses and attracts passions but, with regard to history, it's really too bad," he said. "I think it's too bad that he doesn't sit down with us to let us explain ourselves."


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1 posted on 09/04/2004 10:50:59 AM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

For really wild theories, read "The Giza Power Plant". After reading it, I came away convinced the Great Pyramid was never a tomb.


3 posted on 09/04/2004 11:02:24 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: scott7278

Bookmarked.


4 posted on 09/04/2004 11:13:28 AM PDT by scott7278 (I'm mad as Zell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!)
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To: wagglebee
French Egyptologists Defend Pyramid Theory

Amway has made it to Egypt?

5 posted on 09/04/2004 11:14:31 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: wagglebee
The German led investigations, using a remote controled robot camera, inside previously unexplored air-ducts that connect to the "Kings Chanber", were interesting, but did not lead to any great discoveries. Hawass either was embarrassed by that let down, or sees a potential flood of similar requests if he grants this one. I wish he would, though. Much could be learned with very little destruction, using a fiber-optic video system to explore this new "room".

Hawass won't last as long as the Pyramids, so the French and others need only be patient, and get their grant money ready for the Egyptian Antiquties Bureau.

6 posted on 09/04/2004 11:14:59 AM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: JoeGar

If it wasn't a tomb, what kind of power plant does the book theorize it was?


7 posted on 09/04/2004 11:15:41 AM PDT by scott7278 ("FR will NOT be used to help replace Bush with a Democrat." -- Jim Robinson, 2/01/04)
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To: wagglebee; blam; SunkenCiv
Standing in their way is Zahi Hawass, the director of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, who heatedly rejected the theories during a Cairo press conference this week.

No doubt. That man worships those structures.

8 posted on 09/04/2004 11:19:00 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: scott7278
If it wasn't a tomb, what kind of power plant does the book theorize it was?

According to the book, no king has ever been found buried in a pyramid. All of the kings were buried in the Valley of the Kings. The only mummies ever found in The Great Pyramid were placed there long after it was completed. The book speculates that the pyramid was a large chemical reactor. Shafts were crafted that fed a central chamber where a chemical reaction took place. At some point in time, an explosion occurred in the central chamber as evidenced by the wall, floor, and ceiling all being pushed outward by 1/4 inch. It was a very fascinating read. The author was a mechanical engineer. No Egyptologist on the planet agrees with him though.

9 posted on 09/04/2004 11:23:37 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: wagglebee

How far did the Media have to search to find SOMETHING the French wanted to defend?


10 posted on 09/04/2004 11:25:00 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: wagglebee

KNEEL BEFORE APOPHIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

11 posted on 09/04/2004 11:25:54 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: JoeGar

Sounds very interesting.


12 posted on 09/04/2004 11:28:42 AM PDT by scott7278 ("FR will NOT be used to help replace Bush with a Democrat." -- Jim Robinson, 2/01/04)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

They'd better be prepared if they're gonna try to let out the Goa'uld.


13 posted on 09/04/2004 11:30:38 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (All that Botox has messed up his mind)
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To: wagglebee

Nuke the Great Pyramid. Leave a symmetrical crater 200 feet deep.


14 posted on 09/04/2004 11:33:55 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: ridesthemiles
How far did the Media have to search to find SOMETHING the French wanted to defend?

LOL!! Well...yeah...

15 posted on 09/04/2004 11:34:25 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter & a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: farmfriend
"That man worships those structures."

No doubt. From everything I've ever read about Hawass, he comes off as a pompous jerk.
16 posted on 09/04/2004 11:51:18 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Jesus Christ ~ "whosoever will may come" ///// mohammed ~ "convert, submit, or die")
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Teal'c will get you for that!


17 posted on 09/04/2004 11:55:12 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: wagglebee
They just have to spread around more bac-sheesh (phonetic).

They probably haven't bribed the right guy or bribed him enough.

You can get anything you want in Cairo. . .with enough bucks spread around.

Bribery is a way of life over there, EVERY level of government and military corrupt. . .to include "scientists."

Sad.
18 posted on 09/04/2004 11:57:35 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Hegemony Cricket; farmfriend
"From everything I've ever read about Hawass, he comes off as a pompous jerk."

Everything revolves around him. However, I do understand his desire to protect these structures.

19 posted on 09/04/2004 12:00:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: Hegemony Cricket
From everything I've ever read about Hawass

He was interviewed by Art Bell. Hawass has his own hypothesis that Egyptians built the pyramids, and he has risen to the top archaeology position in Egypt. He is the man in charge, so archaeologists have to work with him. Some foreign archaeologists are still trying to assert ownership of the Egyptian past, but Egypt is in possession of Egypt, is putting its own will into the objects, and is giving them form. Egypt owns Egypt and Egypt's past.

20 posted on 09/04/2004 12:09:16 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: wagglebee
French Egyptologists Defend Pyramid Theory

Oh la la! Zey are very large at the bottom and pointy on ze top!

21 posted on 09/04/2004 12:11:28 PM PDT by steveo (Member: Fathers Against Rude Television)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

.....he comes off as a pompous jerk....

I cut him some slack. He is the official custodian of ancient mankind's greatest architectural, geodesic, astroomical, mathematical achievement. Letting every academic Thomas, Richard and Hanri deface the place would be unforgivable. The job in question needs to have more science brought to bear before the destructive rockwork begins.

He wakes every day and sees the noseless Sphinx, French work of a bygone era. I'd be wary of the French regardless of their credentials. A French Emperor defaced the Sphinx.


22 posted on 09/04/2004 12:12:11 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: Darkchylde; asgardshill

Stargate ping? :-)


23 posted on 09/04/2004 12:20:01 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Save a Democrat! Vote Republican!)
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To: JoeGar
Have you ever read the book"The Great pyramids" by Peter Tompkins.
He proves the structure is a mathematical model of the earth and contains many mathematical truths.

He is big on mensuration and the development of measurements. His theory is that the Kings Chamber is a temperature/pressure controlled room and the sarcophagus is a volumetric measuring vessel developed to establish true measuring devices for grain or other commodities requiring accurate measurement standardization.

I think his is the best overall work I have read.
24 posted on 09/04/2004 12:22:27 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: RightWhale
Hawass has his own hypothesis that Egyptians built the pyramids...

Egyptians? Really? Instead of whom? Olmecs? Peace Corps volunteers? Space aliens?

25 posted on 09/04/2004 12:31:14 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: DJ MacWoW; Conan the Librarian; Tealc
Teal'c will get you for that!

He is quite good at what he does. Limited and he eats a LOT (most Jaffa do), but good.

26 posted on 09/04/2004 12:31:26 PM PDT by asgardshill (GWB throws heat. JF'nK throws spitballs.)
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To: Baynative
what is this a joke ?- the french won't even defend themselves.

I believe the Pyramids are a 3D Origami folded version of an earlier French/Gaul surrender flag.

27 posted on 09/04/2004 12:32:19 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I Just fell off the boat!! Kerry I need you! Uh..never mind, it's only hip deep...right now.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

North European Druids. Refugees from Atlantis. Nubians. No, Hawass goes against the flow and asserts it was Egyptians.


28 posted on 09/04/2004 12:37:00 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale

It takes guts for an Egyptian to assert, in Egypt, that the Egyptian pyramids were built by Egyptians. My hat's off to Mr. Hawass!


29 posted on 09/04/2004 12:47:21 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Hegemony Cricket
"That man worships those structures."

From everything I've ever read about Hawass, he comes off as a pompous jerk.

Hawass worships himself. Haven't you seen the pompous, self-serving b@$tard slime his way through his well-rehearsed "discoveries" on National Geographic specials?

Egypt is terminally stupid for putting such a phony in charge of their priceless antiquities...

30 posted on 09/04/2004 12:52:31 PM PDT by TXnMA
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To: bert
I'd be wary of the French regardless of their credentials. A French Emperor defaced the Sphinx.

That is actually incorrect. Napoleon had nothing to do with the damage to the Sphinx.

from http://www.napoleonseries.org/faq/sphinx.cfm

"Over the centuries the Great Sphinx has suffered severely from weathering...Man has been responsible for additional mutilation. In 1380 A.D. the Sphinx fell victim to the iconoclastic ardor of a fanatical Muslim ruler, who caused deplorable injuries to the head. Then the figure was used as a target for the guns of the Mamluks."

This accusation is most often leveled at Napoleon Bonaparte, who is said to have shot the nose off the Sphinx -a claim that is manifestly incorrect, not only because earlier western representations of the Sphinx depict it with its nose missing (for example, the drawing published in 1755 by Frederick Norden) but also because medieval Arabic texts attribute the damage to a Muslim fanatic in the fourteenth century CE."

31 posted on 09/04/2004 12:55:31 PM PDT by ValenB4
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To: JoeGar

Did the mechanical engineer check with chemical engineers to verify the existence or an explanation of their absence, of chemical residues from such an operation?

Did he detail the chemicals, and how much would have been required? Explain where they came from or how they were produced? How they were transported? What supporting infrastructure would have been required?

What was the 'power' used for; how was it transmitted/carried/stored; where are the devices it powered?

Why are there no records of this?

Not asking you to explain it; just wondering if his book did?

If he did, was it at all plausible; or, just an 'interesting read'?


32 posted on 09/04/2004 12:57:44 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: JoeGar

What was the purpose of the power plant?


33 posted on 09/04/2004 1:02:12 PM PDT by fso301
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To: wagglebee; Baynative; JoeGar; scott7278; Larry Lucido; Richard Axtell; farmfriend; ridesthemiles; ..

A video for the engineer in your life that has everything. And I got to tell you, I think this guy is onto something.

http://theforgottentechnology.com/Page1.htm


34 posted on 09/04/2004 1:09:58 PM PDT by Lester Moore (The Islamic Jihad shall be terminated with a Christian Crusade!)
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To: asgardshill

Look out for the Doughnuts though Murry!


35 posted on 09/04/2004 1:14:51 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: wagglebee

The damned things were the earliest landfills, that's why the lower layers have no access.


36 posted on 09/04/2004 1:28:13 PM PDT by Old Professer (The enemy is among us; he is us; we know it, we dare not say it - someone will be offended.)
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To: Conan the Librarian
Look out for the Doughnuts though Murry!

The symbiote will take care of them. Along with that questionable burrito T'ealc ingested during the episode.

37 posted on 09/04/2004 1:50:57 PM PDT by asgardshill (GWB throws heat. JF'nK throws spitballs.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Apophis is NOT a god.

38 posted on 09/04/2004 1:56:47 PM PDT by Tealc
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To: Tealc

I've gotta be dyslexic.. I read that as "Apophis is not a dog."
I'm going to go increase my caffiene intake now.


39 posted on 09/04/2004 2:24:22 PM PDT by Darksheare (John Kerry: The FRENCHURIAN Candidate!)
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To: Tealc

How DARE you question me, mortal!
40 posted on 09/04/2004 2:34:47 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: wagglebee
French theory on Pyramids: They were actually giant symbols of surrender.
41 posted on 09/04/2004 2:36:41 PM PDT by Lockbar (Worried about lead poisoning? Then stop eating the paint chips, Dummy!)
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To: bert
His theory is that the Kings Chamber is a temperature/pressure controlled room and the sarcophagus is a volumetric measuring vessel developed to establish true measuring devices for grain or other commodities requiring accurate measurement standardization.

In The Giza Power Plant, the author points out that the sarcophagus is cut from a solid piece of rock, its four corners are very precisely drilled, and its bottom is perfectly flat when measured with an engineer's rod. His theory is that the sarcophagus is so precisely hollowed out that it could only have been done by machine.

42 posted on 09/04/2004 3:08:45 PM PDT by JoeGar
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To: ApplegateRanch
... was it at all plausible; or, just an 'interesting read'?

It was all plausible from a mechanical engineering point of view. I don't remember any chemical engineering comments -- it's been a while since I read the book -- except that the shafts (too small for humans) were, in theory, used to pour chemicals into the main chamber for combining.

43 posted on 09/04/2004 3:12:45 PM PDT by JoeGar
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To: wagglebee

Thanks, I'll ping everyone when I'm home again.

related topic:

Uncovering The Secrets Of The Great Pyramid
IOL ^ | 8-29-2004 | Annick Benoist
Posted on 08/29/2004 8:46:23 AM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1202336/posts


44 posted on 09/04/2004 3:16:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: JoeGar

Thanks. Do you remember title/author? Now I'm curious enough to read it, if it is still on shelves somewhere.

After reading sci-fi for 50 years, one more book won't hurt at all. :)


45 posted on 09/04/2004 3:26:04 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: ApplegateRanch; JoeGar

There is an interesting magazine which has been publishing for about a decade called "Atlantis Rising." I have found it at our local Hastings book store. They have had articles in their past issues about the book Joe Gar mentioned as well as others with similar themes.

You might want to check out

www.atlantisrising.com


46 posted on 09/04/2004 3:42:46 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Hanoi John is DIRECTLY responsible for the hurtful epithets hurled at our returning Viet Nam troops)
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To: ApplegateRanch; JoeGar

Here's a better link:

http://atlantisrising.com/


47 posted on 09/04/2004 3:44:15 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Hanoi John is DIRECTLY responsible for the hurtful epithets hurled at our returning Viet Nam troops)
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The late Luis Alvarez (most familiar due to the Alvarez model for impact-induced mass extinctions) conducted a cosmic ray detection experiment in the Khafre pyramid at Giza. A weird result he got led him a little astray at first, but eventually he figured out what was happening. He concluded that Khafre has no unknown chambers, at least as far as cosmic ray detection can find, and suggested the use of radar to make a quicker and more accurate study. I think the details can be found in that old Peter Tompkins book, but I dunno for sure. There's very little about this in Google.
Secrets of the Great Pyramid Secrets of the Great Pyramid
by Peter Tompkins
with Livio Catullo Stecchini
didn't realize the late Livio Stecchini contributed to the volume (probably the foreword?).
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list (alt)
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.

48 posted on 09/04/2004 3:52:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Here's a link to the title, found in a post in the earlier topic.
49 posted on 09/04/2004 3:55:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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The Pyramids: An Enigma Solved The Pyramids:
An Enigma Solved

by Joseph Davidovits

first edition
website

50 posted on 09/04/2004 4:10:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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