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Alan Keyes teaches sex education lesson to homosexual interviewer (possible transcript)
RenewAmerica.us ^ | 9-4-2004 | Mary Mostert

Posted on 09/04/2004 3:25:40 PM PDT by outlawcam

Mike Signorile, who says in his bio he co founded a now-defunct New York City magazine for lesbian and homosexuals, is known for what we might call harassing politicians about sex. He prowled the halls of the 1996 Republican Convention in San Diego, which I attended, pouncing on unsuspecting delegates about sex. It appears that at the Republican Convention in New York, he finally pounced on someone who pounced back when he went after Alan Keyes, Illinois Republican candidate for the US Senate.

Signorile's first sentence was: "I am speaking with Alan Keyes — and you've come to the Republican convention to support President Bush, I presume?"

Alan Keyes responded: "Certainly. I think that President Bush needs to be reelected for the sake of this country's security. He has provided the kind of leadership that we're going to have to have if we're going to confront and defeat the challenge of terrorism that has already claimed so many American lives."

Signorile's second sentence was: "What did you think of Vice President Cheney last week coming out and saying he doesn't agree with the President on the Federal Marriage Amendment? Seems to be a break with the party. Do you think he is sending a mixed signal?"

Alan Keyes, amiably replied: "I don't know. I think he is entitled to his personal convictions, but I think that the party's position is the correct one. We have to stand in defense of the traditional marriage institution in order to preserve its basis in procreation and make sure that we retain an understanding of family life that is rooted in the tradition of procreation, of childbearing and childrearing. That is the essence of family life."

And then Signorile attacked with: "Now, Vice President Cheney, of course, has a daughter. She is gay. He used the word gay. He says he has a gay daughter. He seems very proud of his gay daughter. It seems like real family values and certainly seems like preserving the American family. Is his family un-American?"

That wasn't a very smart move on Signorile's part. The next part of the interview went as follows:

Contrary to the way this has been reported by most news sources, it wasn't Alan Keyes who called Mary Cheney a "selfish hedonist." It wasn't Alan Keyes who brought up the Cheney family and it wasn't Keyes who was trying to create a scene. It was Signorile who brought up the Cheney family and Signorile, the homosexual, who, trying to rattle the unflappable Alan Keyes, said: "So Mary Cheney is a selfish hedonist."

A hedonist is a person whose highest goal in life is pleasure. Not all the selfish hedonists in our culture are homosexuals or lesbians, according the Keyes clear definition. That definition would also fit heterosexuals who selfishly avoid procreation or whose selfishness leads to divorce.

Keyes' sex education lesson to a confused homosexual ought to be required reading in every sex education class in the country. It might begin scaling back the flood of misery, disease, and early death that await those who chose to get involved in homosexual and lesbian life styles.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: bicurious; election; fundamentalism; homophobia; homosexual; homosexualagenda; interview; keyes; obama; senate; unchristian
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For those who requested it, this is the most complete context of the interview I've yet seen.
1 posted on 09/04/2004 3:25:41 PM PDT by outlawcam
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To: outlawcam

I love the Man's ability to present logic.


2 posted on 09/04/2004 3:29:46 PM PDT by bannie (Liberal Media: The Most Dangerous Enemies to America and Freedom)
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To: outlawcam

If I was Obama I wouldn't want to get anywhere near debating this man.


4 posted on 09/04/2004 3:36:01 PM PDT by ECM
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To: outlawcam

Alan Keyes' command of public discourse is such that it goes right over the heads of most people. Liberals have as much of an underastanding of the word hedonist as they do niggardly.


5 posted on 09/04/2004 3:36:51 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: lepton

bookmark bump


6 posted on 09/04/2004 3:38:51 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: outlawcam

Outstanding! Love Dr. Keyes.


7 posted on 09/04/2004 3:39:31 PM PDT by Churchjack
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To: outlawcam

Thank you for this post. Keyes is so adept at the English language. The problem for him is that the great majority of those to whom he speaks are, by comparison, illiterate.


8 posted on 09/04/2004 3:41:11 PM PDT by MSSC6644
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To: outlawcam

This is what the big deal was about?

Thanks for posting the full interview.


9 posted on 09/04/2004 3:43:41 PM PDT by nonkultur
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To: outlawcam
Game. Set. Match.

Unfortunately, in the looking glass world in which we live, Mr. Keyes comes out the loser.

Off with his head!

10 posted on 09/04/2004 3:46:42 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: outlawcam

Smart, religious and a great debator. No wonder Obama doesn't want to debate him.


11 posted on 09/04/2004 3:47:18 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: outlawcam
He needs some more work, but logically, he is on point, but if he was more polished, he could have avoided being used as a soundbite.

Note that Obama who wanted 6 debates with Ryan, is now trying to make it 3 or less with Keyes.

12 posted on 09/04/2004 3:52:43 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: nonkultur

The full interview is certainly different than a short clip -- but even the news media lying version didn't seem all that bad to me --- just that it was obviously untrue.


13 posted on 09/04/2004 3:53:02 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: outlawcam; Dave S

Outstanding. Simply outstanding. We need more people to hold public office who exhude common sense like Dr. Keyes.


14 posted on 09/04/2004 3:53:52 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: spiralsue

This could be part of what you are looking for. See you later!


15 posted on 09/04/2004 4:00:00 PM PDT by Rollee (Shut up and sing!)
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To: outlawcam
Thanks, Dr Keyes is very quick witted and insightful! He has the wisdom of God, which is so distant and foreign to the mind of Mike Signorile. Sounds like an exchange between Jesus and the "experts on the Law".

Bravo Dr. Keyes!!!

16 posted on 09/04/2004 4:00:36 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: outlawcam

Bump!

Keyes has more logical reasoning in his pinkie than the homosexual movement has in its... well, pick a part.


17 posted on 09/04/2004 4:01:28 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: tame

The truth about what Keyes said on this issue --- of course Keyes-haters won't like this.


18 posted on 09/04/2004 4:06:37 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: outlawcam
YEA, ALAN KEYES!!!

I don't trust anything the lame-stream media says. They're too bent on twisting the truth to fit their agenda.

You can hear the audio by clicking http://americablog.blogspot.com/Signorile%20ix%20Alan%20Keyes.MP3

20 posted on 09/04/2004 4:10:03 PM PDT by Nan48
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To: outlawcam

Bravo! Bravo, Mr. Senator Keyes!


21 posted on 09/04/2004 4:13:50 PM PDT by YngConservative
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To: Righter-than-Rush

LOL!!

Go Alan!!


22 posted on 09/04/2004 4:15:17 PM PDT by YngConservative
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To: Sonny M

Yeah, I mean hell he could have ofiscated and lied like a dog.


23 posted on 09/04/2004 4:15:42 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Javelina

Javelina,

How old are you... 12?

The compliment was made on behalf of Dr. Keyes' superior logic and debating this homosexual. Are you opposed to such recognition?


24 posted on 09/04/2004 4:17:39 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: outlawcam

Fascinating. It's sort of a bizarre mirror image of Clinton's "oral sex isn't sex."

Does Keyes think that if, because of disease or age or injury, a man or a woman is incapable of procreation, he or she should not be allowed to marry?


26 posted on 09/04/2004 4:21:45 PM PDT by jejones
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To: Ajnin
Liberals have as much of an underastanding of the word hedonist as they do niggardly.

LOL! Yep. Sadly, so do many others, as well. Hopefully this gives some much-needed perspective.

28 posted on 09/04/2004 4:24:08 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: Sonny M
he could have avoided being used as a soundbite.

Which is exactly how he was used. Good point. It angers me about the media to no end, but good point.

29 posted on 09/04/2004 4:25:40 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: Javelina

If his logic was inferior, I would like to see you or someone else retort with superior logic and reason.


30 posted on 09/04/2004 4:25:58 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: Fester Chugabrew
We need more people to hold public office who exhude common sense like Dr. Keyes.

Unfortunately, Keyes is too good for politics. For the more logical, more conservative portion of the population, Keyes is a good thinker. However that isn't the majority - when people in the liberal, feeling-oriented part have formed a mutual obfuscation society, they literally loathe people who break the spell by telling the truth.

31 posted on 09/04/2004 4:26:13 PM PDT by garbanzo (Free people will set the course of history)
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To: jejones
disease or age or injury, a man or a woman is incapable of procreation, he or she should not be allowed to marry?

Asked and answered in the interview.

32 posted on 09/04/2004 4:26:52 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: jejones

Keyes already answered that question.

See the section on incident and essence.


33 posted on 09/04/2004 4:27:03 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: Javelina
It really depends on what your definition of "is" is.

It depends on no such thing. He is recognizing the difference between a male and female, and there is a difference whatever the particular individual condition of either is.

34 posted on 09/04/2004 4:28:38 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: outlawcam

Thank you for posting the entire interview. The stupidity of the interviewer is incredible. Why would we judge Dick Cheney because his daughter is a lesbo? I guess that means if anyone can be disqualified from office because of their children. But then again the left likes to disqualify people because of their parents also.


35 posted on 09/04/2004 4:29:36 PM PDT by TXBubba (aka TXBubbette)
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To: outlawcam
Alan Keyes: "It is the mutual pursuit of pleasure through the stimulation of the organs intended for procreation ...

I must respectfully disagree with Keyes here. Sex plays an important role beyond the conception of children: it strengthens unions. Humans have much more sex than is required for reproduction. Unlike other species, human sexuality is not connected to ovulation; human females desire sexual relationships even when these relationships are unlikely to result in conception. (This fact of course is exploited by observant Roman Catholics who wish to enjoy sexual relations without pregnancy resulting; it is referred to as the rhythm method.)

As regards to homosexuality: The rampant promiscuity, drug abuse and disease of the gay community is alarming and tremendously sad. I pray for the several gay men I know who engage in these dangerous behaviors. But I am no longer prepared to condemn my close gay friends and family who are in loving, monogamous, long-term relationships. I admit that this is difficult to reconcile with my Christian faith.

36 posted on 09/04/2004 4:31:17 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: outlawcam

KEYES for PRESIDENT~!~!


37 posted on 09/04/2004 4:33:37 PM PDT by steplock
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Signorile's second sentence was: "What did you think of Vice President Cheney last week coming out and saying he doesn't agree with the President on the Federal Marriage Amendment? Seems to be a break with the party. Do you think he is sending a mixed signal?"

Alan Keyes, amiably replied: "I don't know. I think he is entitled to his personal convictions, but I think that the party's position is the correct one. We have to stand in defense of the traditional marriage institution in order to preserve its basis in procreation and make sure that we retain an understanding of family life that is rooted in the tradition of procreation, of childbearing and childrearing. That is the essence of family life."

Let's talk about this for a second. Why is protecting the essence of family life important in our country?

39 posted on 09/04/2004 4:35:19 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: Javelina

I actually think the Jesus analogy was an excellent one.


40 posted on 09/04/2004 4:36:09 PM PDT by YngConservative
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To: outlawcam

I pinch someone in the arm. He screams in pain. Now, let us discuss whether or not pinching someone in the arm causes pain or not. Classic leftist dialectics: it's all relative; it all depends. Whether you're aware or not is irrelevant, but that's what you're trying to do with your challenge. Certain things are not to be disputed, challenged or debated - they're absolutes.


42 posted on 09/04/2004 4:45:23 PM PDT by YngConservative
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To: Javelina

>>It seems the difference is nature.>>

Yes, and behavior. And behavior requires a choice. Hence, the preference of the gay lifestyle.

>>This leaves more questions than answers>>

He already answered your question 1.

Your question 2 was answered in his retort to the homosexual's question on the Doles.

Your question 3 is irrelevant but interesting.

Your question 4 assumes that people living today are better capable of child-rearing than any generation before us, and that homosexuals are just as capable of nurturing children to be productive members of society as non-homosexual marriages. The first assumption is invalid on the basis of pride. The second is false, since adults teach their children far more by example than by word. Homosexuals cannot provide an atmosphere in which a child can learn how to procreate and raise a family in that framework.


43 posted on 09/04/2004 4:45:51 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: Righter-than-Rush; Javelina
If his logic was inferior, I would like to see you or someone else retort with superior logic and reason.

Fair request, but that'll be the end of the discussion, right there. It can't be done.

As for Javelina not liking my comparison of Dr. Keyes' superior logic and wisdom to Jesus', you'd have to have read the Gospels to know what I was talking about.

Jesus revealed a wisdom that is from above. That does sound "silly" to anyone who hasn't had such a revelation from God and is basing their existence upon their own logic.

44 posted on 09/04/2004 4:52:15 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: Javelina

Abstract doesnt work too long in normal conversation. If you try and remain in the dwelling of the living and breathing, and relate your argument to people that are real and moving, your words will not put people to bed early.

Your rhetoric isn't making ANY progress. Keyes didnt use the moral judgement of 'wrong' or even 'right.' He remained in the realm of what the homosexual would understand (note his special attention to this end).

There is no heart of the matter when talking about science of the unknown future. Keyes nailed it again.

You seem to be lost in a loop or irrelevency, with no relation to the issue at hand. Welcome to FR, but rhetorical logic doesnt fly here. Enjoy the self-debate. People love to watch even more than chime in.

Lastly, I repeat... Homosexuals are incapable of doing what heterosexual couples have done for millenia... and homosexuals have neither the resources nor the anatomy to improve on it.


47 posted on 09/04/2004 5:05:19 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: FITZ

I am not a Keyes hater although I do not support the man. he is a better man than Obama and in this article he shines like a new car.


49 posted on 09/04/2004 5:07:53 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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