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A NEW LOOK AT THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
http://steven.newton1.home.att.net/ ^ | 2003 | Steven J. Newton

Posted on 09/04/2004 5:14:11 PM PDT by Steve Newton

Being an old police chief, I have had the opportunity to meet many politicians and almost invariably they will question me regarding my opinion on the right of citizens to carry concealed weapons. When I state my position that I think it’s a good idea, we usually wind up in a heated discussion about the evils of guns and all the harm they do. I remember a Governor telling me that he could not believe any police chief would be for carrying weapons when so many police officers die every year from being shot.

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A NEW LOOK AT THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS

Being an old police chief, I have had the opportunity to meet many politicians and almost invariably they will question me regarding my opinion on the right of citizens to carry concealed weapons. When I state my position that I think it’s a good idea, we usually wind up in a heated discussion about the evils of guns and all the harm they do. I remember a Governor telling me that he could not believe any police chief would be for carrying weapons when so many police officers die every year from being shot.

Well, what do you say to something like that? Most of the time you are not going to change any minds but I do wish they would at least get the facts straight. Number one, no one knows better than I do how many fine people we lose every year. Being the Vice President of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, I see the thousands of names on our memorial wall and I grieve for every one. However, I believe that most officers killed with a firearm are killed by criminals and not law-abiding citizens. I also believe that the argument to outlaw firearms or deny the right to carry because of the danger to police officers is a false one. Lets look at some statistics:

In 1999, nationally, 42 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty. 23 slain officers were municipal, 13 were county, 5 were state and 1 federal officer. Firearms were used in 41 of the 42 deaths. 25 were handguns, 11 were rifles and 5 were shotguns. 5 officers were slain with their own service weapons. 20 officers were murdered in the South, 11 in the West, 6 in the Midwest and 5 in the Northeast.

12 officers were killed during arrest situations, 6 were serving arrest warrants, 4 were trying to prevent robberies or apprehend robbery suspects and 2 were investigating drug situations. Also 8 officers were slain while enforcing traffic laws, 7 while investigating suspicious persons, 7 while answering disturbance calls, 6 in ambush situations and 2 while handling prisoners.

Now here is food for thought. An additional 65 officers were ACCIDENTALLY KILLED in 1999 while performing their duties. 51 were killed in car, motorcycle or aircraft accidents. 9 officers were accidentally struck by vehicles, 3 were accidentally shot, 1 was killed in a fall and 1 was killed in an all terrain vehicle accident. In other words, in 1999, more law enforcement officers were killed by accident than by firearms. Not only that, but of the 55,026 line of duty assaults on officers, 81.5 percent were committed with personal weapons. (Hands, feet, fist, etc.) Statistics provided by the FBI, released March 15th, 2001.

Preliminary Statistics for 2001 are similar. 140 of the Nation’s law enforcement officers were killed feloniously including 71 in the terrorist attacks on September the 11th.

However, according to the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, there have been 2.5 million protective uses of firearms every year in the United States. For many years, we have been telling the public to help us and to assist where they can. I have also seen a lot of talking heads on the news who try to convince people to, “be alert and remain aware of your surroundings,” when it comes to terrorism, but they can’t seem to really be able to tell people what to do. Well, in my opinion, an armed citizenry already knows what to do. They protect themselves when we cannot.

Now, I am not arguing for vigilantism, but I am arguing that people need to take responsibility for themselves. We seem to be side stepping the issue when we speak about enemies of the United States and we are afraid to let law-abiding citizens protect themselves. The founding fathers of this country provided for the right to bear arms and I can think of no other time in history where it is more important to do so, than right now. As a police officer, I would actually feel safer knowing we had trained civilians who could help me when I needed it.

The only problem is that no one wants to say it. I trust the American people with weapons and I trust that they have the sense to know when or even if, to use them. Again according to the NRA, 32 States have a right to carry law. On the average, crime rates in these states have lowered since the adoption of RTC. Out of all the protective uses of weapons in the U.S., only 1% of the weapon owners actually fired their weapon. With a little training in firearm safety, legal issues and shoot don’t shoot we can have thousands more people on the street that can help us fight terrorism. It seems to me that the only people, who do not trust the people, is the politician. Imagine that.

© Steve Newton 2003 stevenewton69@hotmail.com

1 posted on 09/04/2004 5:14:12 PM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: Steve Newton

Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


2 posted on 09/04/2004 5:25:41 PM PDT by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: Steve Newton

bookmark


3 posted on 09/04/2004 5:29:44 PM PDT by federal
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To: Steve Newton

I've been carrying for a while, and often wondered how I should/could ever offer assistance to a law enforcement officer in bad situations.

I've always been of the mindset that when the spit hits the fan, I don't want to be one of the people holding a gun but not wearing a uniform.

Any thoughts from those in the law enforcement field?


4 posted on 09/04/2004 5:33:24 PM PDT by ConservativeWarrior
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To: Steve Newton

Wonderful!! Law officers in my area like citizens that have carry permits. They call us the "good guys". My husband was stopped for speeding on I-75 a couple of years ago and his 9mm Ruger was on the seat, loaded and in plain site. When the officer came to the window my husband told him about the gun and asked if he needed to see his permit. He said "no, it's not the permit holders I worry about".


5 posted on 09/04/2004 5:39:52 PM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: Steve Newton

Kudos, pal. Kudos!


6 posted on 09/04/2004 5:41:27 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Which part of "Don't Mess With Texas" didn't you get?)
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To: Steve Newton

To put it simple.
If you don't trust me, why should I trust you?

You should be read as politicians.


7 posted on 09/04/2004 5:43:15 PM PDT by Kadric
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To: Melinda in TN

Which state? I tried that in CA and the PC cop was NOT amused. Misdemeanor.


8 posted on 09/04/2004 5:45:45 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: Steve Newton

My statement

http://www.rustfreetrucks.com/gun/husbandview.htm

Anyone else


9 posted on 09/04/2004 5:46:48 PM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER (Concealed Carry)
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To: Steve Newton

I feel when police officers need trained people to help in incidents where they may need ride alongs they should go straight to their VFW or American legion Posts. Evry man there has had some training with firearms , they have the wisdom of service and the willingness to help America. For God and Country.


10 posted on 09/04/2004 5:51:53 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: Righter-than-Rush

LOL, Tennessee. We are very gun friendly here.


11 posted on 09/04/2004 5:52:13 PM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: Squantos; Lion Den Dan; archy; Joe Brower; sit-rep; Travis McGee; Jeff Head

BTTT


12 posted on 09/04/2004 5:54:05 PM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: Steve Newton; basil; PistolPaknMama; dbwz
Excellent Article!!!!


13 posted on 09/04/2004 6:04:15 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Can The Ban - let the AWB sunset www.2asisters.org www.cantheban.net)
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To: Steve Newton; Indie

"I trust the American people with weapons and I trust that they have the sense to know when or even if, to use them."

Well said, chief (from a couple of former Dallas PD officers).


14 posted on 09/04/2004 6:08:08 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Steve Newton

Confirmation is nice, but in today's perilous times, and of necessity, any argument against owning and carrying firearms will fade along with the memories of more peaceful years.


15 posted on 09/04/2004 6:08:28 PM PDT by Eastbound ("Ne'er a Scrooge or a Patsy be.")
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To: sgtbono2002
I feel when police officers need trained people to help in incidents where they may need ride alongs they should go straight to their VFW or American legion Posts.

Sorry, but I had to chuckle - all they'd find in our local VFW is a bunch of really ornery drunks. I hope that's not true everywhere.

16 posted on 09/04/2004 6:15:48 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (spokesman for the human race)
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To: VoiceOfBruck

I understand Eastbound's point, but also yours. Even so, I am not sure the local tavern with drunks could do much better than VFW drunks. I guess I would have to go with the VFW (and keep them in FRONT of me).


17 posted on 09/04/2004 6:18:19 PM PDT by Righter-than-Rush
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Bump


18 posted on 09/04/2004 6:19:36 PM PDT by basil (Kerry is stupid beyond belief!)
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To: Steve Newton
What the 'feelings' are of a bunch of gun grabbing liberal anti freedom politicians or cops really doesn't amount to a good gob of spit...

The only thing that matters is that document....and the 2nd amendment....and those words
written by our founding fathers...set down...to keep politicians and police chiefs from deciding to put us back under the yoke of the serf and slave...With the state as master....and themselves as it's unholy ministers unaccountable to anyone and not even God Himself...

The Constitution is a document set down as a safeguard... to protect the people from the state and those whose lust for power overcomes the better angels of their conscience

.

......the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed

19 posted on 09/04/2004 6:23:26 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Kadric
I mean no offense to American Indians, but, when the 2nd Amendment was being considered, the new settlers living near the American frontier had constant fear in their hearts that a bunch of savages would attack them. The right to keep and bear arms was vital to their survival. For example, a group of law-abiding people could band together as a local militia, etc. to defend themselves and their families against a much larger force. I have always felt that the 2nd Amendment applied in ad hoc situations, whether the foe was marauding Indians or outlaws, as well in the larger sense many feel that it implies. As the West became more settled and the East became downright tranquil, some ambitious politicians began appealing to weak-minded and short-sighted people to ban weapons from private hands. Although some fell for this so-called "liberal" sophistry, fortunately judicial activists have succeeded in thwarting the guarantees in the Constitution regarding private weapons only partially, and only in some locales. I say this is fortunate because we as a Nation are again faced with the prospect of wild men in our midst who may strike anytime, anywhere, without warning: They are not wild Indians; they are Militant Islamists. While most Muslims are peaceful, a certain percentage is quite militant. I expect that they will arm themselves and strike mercilessly, and that they will likely attack those jurisdictions that have limited 2nd Amendment rights. They may be insane, but they aren't stupid. I think that they will attack where they will meet the least degree of unexpected resistance. It brings me no joy to think of liberals and those led astray by them being slaughtered wholesale, but that is the likely prospect. For myself, as soon as I can, I intend to move to a State where Concealed Carry is allowed, and I advocate that all exercise that right. For example, if all or most of the school teachers had been packing heat, the recent massacre at that school in Russia would not have happened. Do we have to have a massacre of that magnitude here before we wake up? The police and military personnel can't be everywhere, and generally their uniforms and official vehicles announce their presence. On the other hand, if a band of terrorists was unsure whether any citizen, anyplace was armed or not, they will be dissuaded. And, if not dissuaded, soon they will be dead.

In summary, I never agreed with the sophistry of the gun-grabbers, but now we must take a stand. We either have to run them out of town or ourselves go somewhere they have no power, because I believe that we are about to be attacked by merciless militant Muslims. I do not suffer fools gladly, especially those gun-grabbers who would allow me and mine to be slaughtered on their altar of gun control: The great majority of the American people, including most Muslims will do what is right and just. We cannot allow a small minority of Militant Muslims to run amok here like they just did in Russia. We must ban gun control and encourage responsible gun ownership and education so that most of the good people will be armed and ready when the militants strike. If we do, we can easily outgun them and save ourselves. Otherwise, we may find ourselves destroyed and the survivors enslaved.
20 posted on 09/04/2004 6:41:48 PM PDT by anarabismybrotherinlaw
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To: VoiceOfBruck

There are a few in every Post LOL


21 posted on 09/04/2004 6:50:04 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: anarabismybrotherinlaw

Come on down to Alabama. After being in just about every State this is where I've decided to call home.


22 posted on 09/04/2004 7:13:07 PM PDT by Kadric
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To: Steve Newton

The victin(s) MUST have MINIMUM success, the perp MUST have MAXIMUM success. It's a modern American tradition, ask any politician.


23 posted on 09/04/2004 8:22:14 PM PDT by Waco
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To: federal

Thank you all for your comments and kind words.

God bless

Chief Steve Newton


24 posted on 09/05/2004 8:35:55 AM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: Larry Lucido

Thanks Larry and thank you for your service.

God bless brothers

Chief Steve Newton (ret)


25 posted on 09/05/2004 8:37:25 AM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: ConservativeWarrior

Good Question:

First and formost, stay out of the way, identify yourself, asked it they need assistance and obey all laws.

Steve


26 posted on 09/05/2004 8:39:13 AM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: Leapfrog

Thanks Buddy

Chief Steve


27 posted on 09/05/2004 8:39:47 AM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: Steve Newton
Wonderful.

The statistics are amazing.
28 posted on 09/05/2004 8:42:10 AM PDT by RikaStrom (Involved vs. Committed- take bacon and eggs, for example, the hen is involved, the pig is committed.)
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To: anarabismybrotherinlaw
I mean no offense to Englishmen, but when the Second Amendment was being considered, former Colonials had won a nation using skills and arms which they posessed.

The battle of Lexington and Concord started when the British troops were mobilizing with the objective of siezeing powder and shot.

The second amendment was written with the thought in mind that if government ever became tyrannical again (an armed citizenry is a deterrent), it could be overthrown again by an armed populace.

An alternative interpretation to the common one, one supported by dictionary definitions ca 1814, is that the Army (the Militia, as defined) would be well regulated (controlled) by an armed populace (the people) exercising that individual right. That control is necessary to keep secure a Free State (free nation), otherwise, the army might sieze control.

The debate over maintaining a standing army in the Federalist Papers seems to support this conclusion as well. Despite the absence of formal martial training, the overwhelming majority of individuals, armed, in defiance of a renegade army, would be capable of overcoming the military force, if need be, and thus a standing army might be maintained so long as the people were armed. The main purpose was the prevention of the reestablishment of tyranny.

Hunting and self/family protection against predators, raiders, and thieves of all ilk were understood.

29 posted on 09/05/2004 8:53:06 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (I'm from North Dakota--I'm ALL FOR Global Warming!)
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To: ConservativeWarrior
I've been carrying for a while, and often wondered how I should/could ever offer assistance to a law enforcement officer in bad situations.

Don't do it regardless of what anyone says here. This is not the sixties when citizen's help was gladly accepted. Most officers would consider YOU a threat to their safety and react accordingly. At the very least it could cause confusion and you could end up sued or shot. Officers have a different mindset than 35+ years ago when members of my family were in LE.

Whatever happens you will not be the hero.

Note this may not apply in rural communities where everyone knows each other and the police are members of the local community. Even with that in today's climate I would just keep it holstered and let the officer deal with it. That is the way they want it.

30 posted on 09/05/2004 9:10:15 AM PDT by Nov3 (Don't let the press spin you. Keep your eye on the ball. Get Kerry to sign the 180.)
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To: ConservativeWarrior

You know, I have thought about your question and I dont know if I responded adequatly. The best thing to do is contact your local P.D, county or highway patrol and ASK them what to do.

Good luck buddy

Steve


31 posted on 09/05/2004 10:52:45 AM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

Wow.

Great Site

Steve


32 posted on 09/05/2004 10:58:52 AM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: Nov3

Probably the best advice. All should check with their local police.
Steve


33 posted on 09/05/2004 11:00:26 AM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: Steve Newton

I guess it's really going to come down to the particular situation and using good judgement.

I'm not anxious to be a hero, but I'd hate to see an officer or other bystanders die because I didn't act.

I was curious to hear the LEO opinions.


34 posted on 09/05/2004 11:11:54 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior
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To: anarabismybrotherinlaw

Your point on local militias is well taken. Recall the ad hoc Korean local merchant militias that formed to defend themselves during the LA Rodney King riots when the LAPD was besieged in their district stations and the California National Guard was trying to round up their ammunition.


35 posted on 09/05/2004 1:28:10 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: ConservativeWarrior

Well,

It was a good question. Just so many legal and maybe deadly consequences to think about. I have contacted the President of the National Association of Chiefs of Police. Maybe he can throw some light on the subject.

Steve


36 posted on 09/05/2004 1:51:41 PM PDT by Steve Newton
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To: Steve Newton

Thanks for the feedback, Steve.

Thank you also for posting such an intersting article.


37 posted on 09/05/2004 3:16:01 PM PDT by ConservativeWarrior
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To: ConservativeWarrior

Buddy:

Just got a response from the President of the National Association of Chiefs of Police. Still leaves an "if" but here is his response:

Steve,

I think you had some pretty good sugestions and my reply would be a bit stonger. Without police training, the citizen, even though armed, would prbably be in a hazardous situation. He or she would be wide open to civil liability. Even the bad guys sue these days keeping in mind the "deep pockets" theory. Unless its a life threatening situation, as a private citizen, even though legally armed, I'd be looking to call 911. As you say, the police officer involved, would not know the individual and unless he or she is getting the s.... kicked out of him or her, would probably opt to take care of the situiation without some unknown citizen with a weapon, even though posessed legally.

That's just my humble opinion.


38 posted on 09/06/2004 4:15:29 PM PDT by Steve Newton
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