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CA: Not Legal but Need a License? No Sweat
LA Times ^ | 9/5/04 | Steve Lopez

Posted on 09/05/2004 9:06:19 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

You don't have to find the people selling fake documents on the street near MacArthur Park. They find you.

Green cards, Social Security cards, birth certificates. You name it, they can print it. It's an open-air bazaar in the City of Angels, where the underground economy sizzles and salesmen known as micaderos spot you from half a block away.

I slowed down at a corner and two men approached my car, asking what I needed. I am a California-born gringo of European descent, and so I had to come up with something to make them think I wasn't an undercover cop.

In Spanish, I said I was an undocumented Spaniard.

"De España," one guy said to the other.

I need a driver's license, I said.

Two hundred bucks, they said.

And how long would it take?

Thirty minutes.

I said I'd think about it.

A couple days later, I tried another guy who said he could get me a license for $90.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; california; illegal; immigration; legal; license; need; sweat

1 posted on 09/05/2004 9:06:19 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Lemme get this traight... Is this Bush's fault or Arnold's?


2 posted on 09/05/2004 9:19:39 AM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: NormsRevenge

CALIFORNIA - ILLEGAL ALIEN HEAVEN.


3 posted on 09/05/2004 10:06:39 AM PDT by janetgreen
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To: NormsRevenge

If the Democrats get their way the illegals can go to the DMV and get a real license that is legal.


4 posted on 09/05/2004 10:09:02 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: janetgreen; NormsRevenge
You folks no doubt saw that Santa Ana was awarded the No. 1 spot (right behind Miami) in the Urban Hardship list by Rockefeller Institute based on six criteria: unemployment, education, income, crowded housing, number of dependents, percentage living below Fed proverty level.

Interesting to note that the Institute's director, Richard Nathan, confessed to being "an Easterner" and surprised to see our local city to be so situated. ***

Also, the article makes zero reference to any subsidies they may be collecting, and it's difficult, if not impossible, to believe the people profiled in the article pay govt tax of any sort (one hands out fliers for a low-cost prenatal service that caters to "immigrants" and the other shines shoes and works as a janitor). So much for AgJobs and the Totalization agreement.

***And actually I'M surprised there were not more So. Cal. cities on the list, especially when the thread article states that 500,000 people applied for 3,000 openings at the port.

5 posted on 09/05/2004 7:02:21 PM PDT by LNewman
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To: LNewman; NormsRevenge; janetgreen; FITZ
Also Ms. Cabrera in the OC Register this a.m. is whining about illegals and Social Security. In part:

Like other undocumented immigrants, Guillermo has a fake Social Security card, and every year workers like him pay billions of dollars into Social Security unaware that they can claim this money if they become legal residents.

snip ...

For someone like Guillermo, 58, the Social Security funds would be a windfall. Since he sends most of his money to Mexico, he's never set aside any money for his retirement.

I'd really like to see an account of what these funds sent back to Mexico accomplish. Our media so lacking in any pretense of objectivity, it seems to me they report on one hand how little Mexicans receive in pay at home, and yet we read how much those here illegally send home. If this has any basis in fact, the ol' folks at home must be doing exceptionally well.

6 posted on 09/05/2004 7:31:46 PM PDT by LNewman
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To: LNewman
You folks no doubt saw that Santa Ana was awarded the No. 1 spot (right behind Miami) in the Urban Hardship list by Rockefeller Institute

For those not familiar with Santa Ana, that formerly nice, conservative community now is almost entirely Spanish-speaking. Driving through there makes you believe that you're in Mexico. It is trashy, it is total gangland, and shots are fired frequently by the gang members who are "protecting their turf".

This is the crap that illegal aliens are bringing to California, and we're paying for the whole mess.

And they want to make these people CITIZENS?? We have enough trash, crime, ignorance and unemployment right here without importing it.

7 posted on 09/05/2004 9:10:38 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen
The dips from the East don't get it. They don't see it like we do, or remember California of just a few years ago. I remember driving through Santa Ana in 1992 and I about spun my head off when I saw a store that looked like it was from Nogales. First time I had ever seen that there - and I lived nearby in '78. Hardly any Mexicans at all, much less a colonia look.

And today, ta da, I was treated to a little sojourn through the Kragen's in East San Jose (Tully rd, for all you NorCal types), where ALL, not just some, of the signs were in Spanish. And of course I was the only - ahem - pale person in the store. Of course, me singing "Viva La Migra!" does make everyone there a bit uncomfortable...including the guys with the Toyota from Puebla which curiously had a California plate...maybe they bought it in MacArthur Park.

8 posted on 09/05/2004 9:23:40 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Abcdefg
Lemme get this straight... Is this Bush's fault or Arnold's?

Try the Mayor of Los Angeles for not using the LAPD to bust this racket. If involved, corrupt bureaucrats who issue driver licenses should fall.

9 posted on 09/05/2004 9:26:23 PM PDT by dufekin (President Kerry would have our enemies partying like it's 1969. That's when he became a traitor.)
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To: Regulator
Of course, me singing "Viva La Migra!" does make everyone there a bit uncomfortable...

LOL! If you sang that song in Santa Ana, it would be an instant ghost town.

10 posted on 09/05/2004 9:38:35 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: NormsRevenge

for $200 you should get a complete package, fake green card, Drivers License, Social Security Card and they might even throw in voter registration...they saw you coming...


11 posted on 09/05/2004 9:42:04 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: LNewman
I'd really like to see an account of what these funds sent back to Mexico accomplish.

Not much --- it causes inflation --- pretty soon a family without $300 being wired in a month sees the cost of living rise that they end up far worse off. The wages are so low in Mexico -- minimum wage there amounts to about $25 a week --- the family members waiting for the monthly wire to roll in -- really don't feel the need in working.

Everything's great for the family --- lots of spending money and they seem a lot wealthier than their neighbors who are working in Mexico -- until their relative in the USA stops sending the money -- which happens quite often especially in the case of a young man who was supporting some poor wife or girlfriend in Mexico and his kids when he meets some other woman living in the USA and now has other uses for his money. A lot of young children are being abandoned by their parents and are living on the streets in every Mexican city and town.

12 posted on 09/05/2004 9:43:29 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: rolling_stone

Yes -- with their system you have to barter. First they say $200, you say $30, then they say $150, and you say $35.... you never go with the first price they tell you.


13 posted on 09/05/2004 9:45:26 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: NormsRevenge

the local kcal9 tv channel news (Los Angeles County) aired a Cardinal addressing his congregation/gathering:

(not word for word), but the message was about how God would not tolerate the rich over the poor AND immigrants should all be entitled to drivers licences.


14 posted on 09/06/2004 10:37:53 PM PDT by Susannah (Kerry has a flexible message--it changes with each campaign stop and audience.)
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