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Confusion over 'arrest' of Saddam's number two
AFP ^ | 5 September 2004 1300 Hours CST

Posted on 09/05/2004 11:10:32 AM PDT by shrinkermd

TIKRIT, Iraq (AFP) - The fate of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s right-hand man Izzat Ibrahim al-Duri was shrouded in confusion, as Iraqi officials appeared to backtrack on earlier claims he had been captured

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: alduri; ibrahim; iraq; izzat
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1 posted on 09/05/2004 11:10:33 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

DARN !


2 posted on 09/05/2004 11:11:46 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: shrinkermd

I'm also confused. Is the source AP or AFP? And was there any booing?


3 posted on 09/05/2004 11:11:58 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: shrinkermd

He was captured before he wasn't captured. That memory is seared, seared...


4 posted on 09/05/2004 11:12:45 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Larry Lucido; shrinkermd
I'm also confused. Is the source AP or AFP?

Source was AFP, now corrected.

And was there any booing?

;-)

5 posted on 09/05/2004 11:16:31 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

FYI


6 posted on 09/05/2004 11:20:37 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: Admin Moderator; MEG33; nuconvert; TexKat; Allegra; Grampa Dave; BOBTHENAILER; blam; Dog; Coop
AP, MSNBC , Reuters , FOX all had picked up the story which was embellished with much detail, 70 militants including Arabs were killed, 80 captured... statements about fighting to the death to keep al Douri from being captured.....

I think the story now is,.....
who was the original source for this well embellished (with detail) story....
and what were they trying to do...

7 posted on 09/05/2004 11:26:09 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: shrinkermd

Earlier story:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040905/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq&cid=540&ncid=1473BAGHDAD,

Iraq - Iraqi forces on Sunday captured Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, the most wanted fugitive from Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s ousted dictatorship, Iraq (news - web sites)'s top information official said. Iraqi officials were conducting DNA tests to confirm the prisoner's identity.


8 posted on 09/05/2004 11:27:25 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: csvset

But was it really Tikrit, and who was the President saying there weren't troops there?


9 posted on 09/05/2004 11:29:11 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Well, this is the original story I saw yesterday.

http://hammorabi.blogspot.com/


10 posted on 09/05/2004 11:29:14 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: Admin Moderator

LOL


11 posted on 09/05/2004 11:29:56 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach


Even "our" Arabs have a 'Baghdad Bob' problem of saying what they hope and not sticking to verified truth ...
There's some fire under the smoke, but we dont know what it is ...

It looks like at least this much is true:
1) They got a tip Izzat was at this clinic.

"We had received information that he was admitted to a hospital near Tikrit, or let us say a clinic to have blood transfusion," Sarhan told the U.S.-funded, Arabic-language television station Alhurra.

2) They set up a raid there.

"As soon as we received this information, the forces were able to plan a major operation to arrest him," he said.

3) They captured and killed a number of people in
the action.

Ahmed Hadi, a spokesman for the minister of state for provincial affairs, said the approximately 150 gunmen with al-Douri clashed with the Iraqi forces. He did not say if there were any casualties. Hadi said the raid was carried out by Iraqi National Guard suppported by U.S. troops, helicopters and tanks.

4) They maybe got someone who looks like Izzat, or who they thought was him:

We are sure he is Izzat Ibrahim," information official Ibrahim Janabi said. "He was arrested in a clinic in Makhoul near Tikrit and Adwar (his hometown in northern Iraq) and 60 percent of the DNA test has finished."

Iraqi Minister of State Qassim Dawoud confirmed al-Douri's arrest. At a press conference in Kuwait, Qassim said some 150 others who were defending him were also arrested.

5) He's our #1 target now - if we get him, it's a big win:


Al-Douri, who had a U.S. bounty of $10 million on his head, was the highest-ranking member of Saddam's government who was still at large. Once the vice chairman of the Baath Party's Revolutionary Command Council, he was a longtime confidant of Saddam.

"A curse upon your mustache" Izzat.


12 posted on 09/05/2004 11:33:38 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: shrinkermd
Thanks!

Earlier threads:

Top Saddam regime fugitive al-Douri arrested
MSNBC ^ | 09/05/04 | MSNBC

AND:

70 Killed During Capture Of 'Saddam's Aide' (Al-Douri)

AND

I think there was another thread but I can't find it now.

13 posted on 09/05/2004 11:36:38 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: nuconvert; WOSG
Now that is very interesting:

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Saturday, September 04, 2004


14 posted on 09/05/2004 11:43:53 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: shrinkermd

Everyone's back off this story. Very strange...


15 posted on 09/05/2004 11:44:21 AM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The BBC has now taken this article off their site.

Saddam top aide's capture denied

BBC

Reports that Saddam Hussein's top aide Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri is in custody in Iraq have proved unfounded. Initial announcements by the Iraqi authorities suggested he had been arrested on Saturday while receiving treatment at a clinic near Tikrit.

But the US military have made it clear he is not in their custody, and the Iraqi national guard later denied involvement in any operation.

There have been several previous false reports about his arrest.

Mr Douri - known as Saddam Hussein's enforcer - has been described as the most senior figure in the former regime still at large, and the most wanted.

Mr Douri was Saddam Hussein's number two in the Revolutionary Command Council, and is sixth on the list of 55 most wanted members of the regime. The top five have all been captured or killed.

He is accused of financing insurgent groups, and has a $10m price tag on his head.

16 posted on 09/05/2004 11:45:01 AM PDT by blam
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To: shrinkermd

Maybe they want to secure the release of the french hostages before confirming his arrest. If they confirm his arrest and the french journalists are not released, this may put their lives in danger.


17 posted on 09/05/2004 11:46:18 AM PDT by bubman
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To: World'sGoneInsane
Im going to believe he was caught for at least 48 hrs, the details and excitement in Iraq, then the later denials don't add up.
18 posted on 09/05/2004 11:46:24 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I'm wondering if Washington is waiting until after the hurricane (and maybe the holiday weekend) to confirm?


19 posted on 09/05/2004 11:49:10 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: shrinkermd
This is HUGH!


20 posted on 09/05/2004 11:49:42 AM PDT by JOE6PAK (..with a six in one hand...and half a dozen in the other!)
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To: blam; MEG33; TexKat; Allegra; nuconvert
Are they going to deny the denial????

This is getting wild.

See #13 and #14...

21 posted on 09/05/2004 11:51:57 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: shrinkermd

More confusion... see #16.


22 posted on 09/05/2004 11:53:04 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: csvset

He was captured before he wasn't captured.



LOL.


23 posted on 09/05/2004 11:56:21 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yeah, that report doesn't sound promising.


24 posted on 09/05/2004 11:56:35 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And to think this was a GOOD day in the middle of a hurricane.

Please ping me if in the next 24 hrs he's either in jail or confirmed dead. Otherwise, it's a bad day...only kidding.

5.56mm

25 posted on 09/05/2004 11:58:31 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: No Blue States

There was a good price tag on his head. Maybe they are trying to figure out who to pay? Or this could be akin to a UFO or Elvis sighting?!


26 posted on 09/05/2004 12:00:46 PM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: shrinkermd
Iraq national guard commander denies capture of Saddam deputy

A senior commander in the Iraqi national guard has insisted his officers have not captured Saddam Hussein's deputy, Izzat Ibrahim al-Duri.

Major General Ahmed Khalaf Salman, who is commander for the central region where the capture reportedly took place, says the guardsmen were wrong to announce they had apprehended him or participated in any such operation.

He says Iraqi forces did not take part in any operation and did not capture al-Duri.

Earlier, Iraqi officials said Ibrahim was captured in Tikrit, Saddam's hometown and powerbase north of Baghdad, in which 70 of his supporters were reportedly killed and 80 captured.

06/09/2004 01:53:18 | ABC Radio Australia News

27 posted on 09/05/2004 12:02:35 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Are they going to deny the denial????"

Don't know...strange.

28 posted on 09/05/2004 12:03:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam; WOSG; MEG33
See #27.

These Guardsman had heard about Kerry's approach to getting ahead and were trying it out....
29 posted on 09/05/2004 12:07:09 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Admin Moderator

ping for #27.


30 posted on 09/05/2004 12:09:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Allegra

See #27....


31 posted on 09/05/2004 12:11:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Baghdad Bob ..Where are you?


32 posted on 09/05/2004 12:12:14 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: MEG33

We need someone to cpature the next 4 years anyway.


33 posted on 09/05/2004 12:13:23 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: M Kehoe
And to think this was a GOOD day in the middle of a hurricane.

Hurricane? Huh?

I can't find anything about that on Fox News Channel.

34 posted on 09/05/2004 12:16:41 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: World'sGoneInsane
I have half a dozen tin foil theories to suppress until Tuesday. Happy Labor day yall.
35 posted on 09/05/2004 12:20:14 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: Admin Moderator; Larry Lucido
> I'm also confused. Is the source AP or AFP?

Source was AFP, now corrected.

> And was there any booing?

;-)

AFP actually got the reaction of us Cheddar Brains right (polite applause).

36 posted on 09/05/2004 12:41:17 PM PDT by steveegg (John F'em Ke(rr)y - I was for the war in Iraq before I was against it before (too may flips to fit).)
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To: MEG33; blam; TexKat; nuconvert; shrinkermd
AP is still reporting the story at 12:13 PDT

Former Saddam Deputy Arrested in Iraq

37 posted on 09/05/2004 12:56:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hmmm..... well, I've noticed that AP has some problems keeping up with the news on the weekends. So, I'm not going to give that much weight.


38 posted on 09/05/2004 1:02:31 PM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: Hank Rearden
I can't find anything about that on Fox News Channel.

I love Fox, but they are really lacking on their hurricane coverage. Last night they had Geraldo blinking in out, and another anchor somewhere else in Florida. The other anchor had better reception, but everytime Geraldo got a two- second signal they went back to him. Why don't they just set these guys up inside somewhere and report the facts. Seeing Geraldo and the other anchor getting pelted with rain, and blown off the screen is more annoying than dramatic. Finally, I switched to MSNBC, and they had better coverage. Fox needs to get their act together on on-the-spot coverage.

39 posted on 09/05/2004 1:03:28 PM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: bubman

Insightful post...for a newbie. Nice job.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

40 posted on 09/05/2004 1:16:43 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ive seen several reports still claiming he was captured, but they are basically rehashes from the old story.

One is dated for Sept 6th! (asia)

Looks like we werent the only ones fooled by this one. All the media seem to have ran with it.

Maybe it will pan out in a day or 2, or he will feel guilty and turn himself in.

41 posted on 09/05/2004 1:20:28 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: WOSG
Al-Douri reportedly suffers from leukemia, and needs blood transfusions.

Maybe he knows where the WMDs are.

42 posted on 09/05/2004 5:49:44 PM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: shrinkermd

**Confusion over 'arrest' of Saddam's number two **

Don't worry, we'll figure it out.


43 posted on 09/05/2004 5:50:33 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sounds like he wants a deal.


44 posted on 09/05/2004 5:56:03 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: JOE6PAK

I was wondering what he looked like. That sure is a series expression on his face. He looks like he needs a shower.


45 posted on 09/05/2004 6:07:04 PM PDT by dglang
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Dog

just getting home now, trying to follow this story with scant media reports today.

not sure what to make of this - but one thing, perhaps his capture cannot be acknowledged. if he has information to give, and he wants to enter the "witness protection program", we certainly can't say that we nabbed him, only to release him later. we've got to deny his capture right away, so he can just fade away.

if, within the next 2-3 weeks, suddenly we see some new bunker located with WMD - we'll know we got him, and what information he turned over to secure his new identity.


46 posted on 09/05/2004 8:18:28 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: McGavin999

see post 46.


47 posted on 09/05/2004 8:20:21 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
Person taken into custody by government troops as he is leaving a clinic.

Person never seen or heard of again.

Government denies any knowledge of the arrest or where abouts of person.

One of those little bumps in the road to democracy.

48 posted on 09/05/2004 10:12:52 PM PDT by bayourod (You're either for President Bush or against him. There is no "but...")
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