Posted on 09/05/2004 11:24:48 AM PDT by kattracks
The bloody siege of a Russian school by Chechen rebels brought widespread condemnation and soul-searching in the Islamic world yesterday.Arab newspapers and television broadcasts were full of dramatic photographs of the children killed and injured in the siege by Islamic rebels demanding Chechen independence from Russia. Commentators and clerics put a harsh spotlight on those who kill and maim in Islam's name.
"What is the guilt of those children? Why should they be responsible for your conflict with the government?" Egypt's top Muslim cleric, Grand Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, asked during a sermon in Banha, 30 miles north of Cairo.
"You are taking Islam as a cover and it is a deceptive cover. Those who carry out the kidnappings are criminals, not Muslims," said Tantawi, according to Egypt's Middle East News agency.
Yesterday's headline over the daily column by Abdulrahman Al-Rashed in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper was "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists Are Muslims!"
The column by Al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, listed recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen, many influenced by Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.
"Our terrorist sons are an end product of our corrupted culture," said the columnist, noting that "most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims."
Al-Rashed called on Muslims to "admit the scandalous facts" instead of rationalizing them.
The Chechen hostage-takers sullied Islam's image, wrote the Egyptian Islamist Ahmed Bahgat in his column in Egypt's leading pro-government newspaper, Al-Ahram.
"If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it ... they wouldn't have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations and misunderstanding of the nature of this age," Bahgat wrote.
Originally published on September 5, 2004
yeah, he will need them because they will want to kill him like Salman Rushdie.
they'd better wake up to the hard harvest they are sowing because the old excuses aren't going to work anymore. Putin is (ex-)KGB and you can bet he can be ruthless. there will be no P.C. Stockholm Syndrome like what we've had in America.
Where is Israel? Oh, that is "good terrorism."
Nonsense...Timothy McVeigh & Terry Nichols were not Muslims.
ISLAM never has been, is not currently and will never be a religion of peace. That is the biggests lie ever told. Anti-Christian bigots and anti-semetic racists deep down inside.
The world is just starting to get a good long look that the enemy with in.
lib=liar
I keep checking the CAIR website and not one word.
"Our terrorist sons are an end product of our corrupted culture," said the columnist, noting that "most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims."
Al-Rashed called on Muslims to "admit the scandalous facts" instead of rationalizing them.
Where have these people been all these years? On a different planet?
Never mind I think I answered my own question.
Religious war?.....You bet.
"Nonsense.....Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were not Muslims."
Well, check into that terrorist act a little deeper and the Muslim involvement will surface there, too.
They were only aided and abetted by muslims
Yesterday's headline over the daily column by Abdulrahman Al-Rashed in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper was "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists Are Muslims!"
Oopsie, Al-Rashed went against the "Egypt's top Muslim cleric, Grand Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi". Worse yet, Al-Rashed was the one telling the truth and surely Tantawi knows it. (If Rashed has any life insurance policies, they've probably been torn up already.)
Well I guess the IRA are just local terrorists.
In debating what should (not what was likely to happen next) with my wife, I told her that it was time that a "Martin Luther-like figure" step forward within the Islamic faith and reform his religion. She reminded me of all the civil wars that occurred as Christianity was transformed and certain corruptions like selling of indulgences were removed from Christianity.
The islamic terroists will be killed by the civilized world community.
It would be much better for innocent muslems, if they were in the forefront of killing the terrorists.
After last week the world community will move swiftly to kill all muslem terrorists in many parts of the world. The only question is who will do the killing and which innocents will be killed along with them. It is sad to say that, but civilization will probably require that.
I truly hope that muslims, come forward to change the character of branches of their religion and that they are in the forefront of killing terrorists around the world.
After last Friday, it is time for Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Pakastan, Egypt, Syria, Iran and Sudan's governments to go door to door rounding up known terrorist and then either execute or put them in prison, otherwise there will be a bloodbath like the world has never seen.
Bump for truth
"I keep checking the CAIR website and not one word."
Eventually, they will say something about how they condemn all terrorism and then give a diatribe about the treatment of Arabs by the West...blah ...blah...
Who cares what CAIR thinks. I don't. They are just a PR front for the terror machine.
I would love to see Al-Rashed's entire column rather than the excerpts in this article. If any enterprising FReepers have the capacity to find and translate the column, it would be most appreciated.
That assertion is illogical and nonfunctional.
Notably absent on the list of countries where recent Muslim terrorist attacks have occurred: Israel.
ALL Muslims need to stand up and condemn the atrocities, and stop giving the terrorists money. And they should be the first to call the FBI and so on, if they find out about someone's terrorist intentions.
If ALL Muslims would seriously condemn them, and take action, not just give it lip service, the terrorists couldn't keep using Islam as a cover, and could be rolled up relatively swiftly.
Oh, yeah those weren't American innocent children, only non-American children are innocent.
We now return you to your Hurricane Frances coverage.
Rick, how's things in Florida now?
Maggie Michael of AP posted additional interviews which are more inflamatory on 9/4 on Newsday.com (see link).
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-mideast-school-seizure,0,2711670,print.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
IT READS:
Mohammed Mahdi Akef, leader of Egypt's largest Islamic group, the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood, said in general, kidnappings may be justified, but killings are not. He said the school siege did not fit the Islamic concept of jihad, or holy war.
"What happened yesterday is not jihad because our Islam obligates us to respect the souls of human beings; it is not about taking them away," Akef told The Associated Press.
Ali Abdullah, a Bahraini scholar who follows the ultraconservative Salafi stream of Islam, condemned the school attack as "un-Islamic," but insisted Muslims weren't behind it.
"I have no doubt in my mind that this is the work of the Israelis who want to tarnish the image of Muslims and are working alongside Russians who have their own agenda against the Muslims in Chechnya," said Abdullah.
SO, Kidnappings are OK, and the Israeli's are actually behind this. Never doubt that we have seen the face of evil.
why do I get the impression that some folks are beginning to worry about repercussions?
-"The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists Are Muslims!"
Nonsense...Timothy McVeigh & Terry Nichols were not Muslims.
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But perhaps they were bankrolled by Muslims.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26833
Thursday, March 14, 2002
OKC BOMBING FALLOUT
Suit: Iraq masterminded attack
Entire Oklahoma City plot allegedly 'aided by agents' of Baghdad
Posted: March 14, 2002
3:29 p.m. Eastern
By Jon Dougherty
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com
A class-action lawsuit was filed in district court in Washington, D.C., today alleging that Iraq, "in whole or in part," planned and financed the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City nearly seven years ago.
"Plaintiffs assert that the entire plot was, in whole or in part, orchestrated, assisted technically and/or financially, and directly aided by agents of the Republic of Iraq," said the suit, filed by public interest law firm Judicial Watch.
Federal officials have said the April 19, 1995, attack on the Murrah Building was committed by former Army vet Timothy McVeigh – who was executed June 11, 2001 – and accomplice Terry Nichols, now serving a life sentence for his role in the bombing.
The FBI has said the explosion, which destroyed nearly one-third of the building and killed 168 people, was the result of a huge ammonium nitrate-laden truck bomb parked in front of the building.
But according to the suit, plaintiffs say the OKC bombing "was an illegal continuation of the Persian Gulf War," and that they and their loved ones "are … civilian casualties of [the] Gulf War. …"
"Plaintiffs further assert that the involvement and complicity of Iraq can be proven by both direct and circumstantial evidence," the suit alleges.
Charles Key, former member of the Oklahoma legislature and a primary member of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee, said the suit had been in a "holding pattern" for some time. He said his committee was also involved in the suit.
"We knew as early as 1995 that Iraq was likely involved in the bombing," Key told WorldNetDaily, based on "work done by Brad Edwards and Jayna Davis at the NBC affiliate in OKC."
Also, Key said, attorney Stephen Jones "pursued a lot of this himself." And, "as some of the points in our complaint show, there is a wealth of information that says Iraq was planning terrorist acts in our country for a long time."
Larry Klayman, chairman and lead counsel of Judicial Watch, said the evidence against Iraq is strong.
"It's time that someone took action against Iraq. Talk is cheap," Klayman said, adding that Judicial Watch would be "developing more evidence" against Baghdad later.
The legal group says the suit was filed under terms enumerated in the Antiterrorism and Death Penalty Act of 1996, which addresses state-sponsored terrorism and has a specific provision for retroactive application.
"Judicial Watch and its clients contend that other individuals, in addition to Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, were involved in the preparation for and execution of the attack on the Murrah Building," said a statement issued by the group. "These individuals were operating as agents of the Republic of Iraq. …"
Klayman's organization said reports from Philippine intelligence and law enforcement sources form the basis for much of the information contained in the lawsuit. Specifically, the suit details meetings between Nichols and Ramzi Youssef, the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, during Nichols' travel to the Philippines between 1990 and 1994.
Additional evidence obtained under the Freedom of Information Act reveals Interpol's efforts to apprehend two additional Oklahoma City bombing suspects and information in the agency's files associating Youssef with the attack, Judicial Watch said.
"It's time the whole story about the Oklahoma City bombing is revealed and that justice is done for the Iraqis' state sponsorship of that brutal attack on American citizens," Klayman said.
Local OKC attorney Mike Johnston is also acting as counsel in the suit, as is Jay Adkisson of Irvine, Calif.
"The survivors of the Murrah Building bombing and the people of Oklahoma City have waited a long time for the whole, unvarnished truth to come out concerning this horrific plot, and they won't rest until that's accomplished," Johnston said in a statement released today.
In a separate interview, Johnston told WorldNetDaily he hoped the suit would bring "peace of mind" to the plaintiffs and the nation.
"We think there's evidence out that that would be not only relavent to the lawsuit but have definite historical value, not only for public consumption but also for the peace of mind for the survivors," he said.
Johnston added that he hadn't heard from the Justice Department or the FBI regarding the suit. "This is a civil matter, and I think they'll be reluctant to get involved – at least on any official basis," he said.
The Justice Department did not return phone calls seeking comment.
The suit says that prior to the Gulf War, "Iraq had developed a covert network in the United States to acquire materials for weapons of mass destruction." After the war, the suit alleges, "Iraq converted that network into organized terrorist cells," some of which "were directly involved in" the OKC bombing.
The suit also alleges that Youssef set up a terrorist "base of operations" in the Philippines in 1994.
That may be significant, sources told WorldNetDaily, because of Nichols' trips to the Philippines prior to the 1995 bombing.
"In the Philippines as part of 'Project Bojinka,' Ramzi Youssef, on behalf of Iraq, recruited conspirators to attempt to simultaneously bomb U.S. 747 aircraft over the Pacific," the suit alleges. Delayed timers "with many similarities" to the Pam Am 103 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988 were to be used, said the suit.
"Youssef also conceived of plans to highjack planes bound for the United States in order to dive them, in suicide attacks, into U.S. targets like CIA headquarters … a tactic later adopted by [al-Qaida terrorist group founder] Osama bin Laden," the suit said.
"Plaintiffs assert that at some point … Youssef recruited a willing convert in the person of Terry Nichols, who witnesses say went to the Philippines seeking technical help in learning to build a bomb," said the suit. "Meetings between Terry Nichols and Ramzi Youssef were witnessed by a Filipino government informant."
Nichols made his last trip to the Philippines Nov. 22, 1994, after marrying a local 17-year-old Filipino girl.
Besides the plaintiffs, others believe the OKC bombing may have an Iraqi connection.
According to a "Washington Whispers" segment in the Oct. 29, 2001, issue of U.S. News & World Report, some top Defense Department officials believed McVeigh was an Iraqi agent.
"Some dismiss it as being akin to Elvis sightings, but a few top Defense officials think Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh was an Iraqi agent," wrote magazine correspondent Paul Bedard.
"The theory stems from a never-before-reported allegation that McVeigh had allegedly collected Iraqi telephone numbers. Why haven't we heard this before about the case of the executed McVeigh? Conspiracy theorists in the Pentagon think it's part of a cover-up," he wrote.
And David Schippers, counsel for the House-led impeachment effort against former President Clinton, also says he believes there is a Middle East connection to the bombing.
"I am thoroughly convinced that there was a dead-bang Middle Eastern connection in the Oklahoma City bombing," he told TalkNetDaily host Geoff Metcalf during an Oct. 21, 2001, interview. "I think bin Laden was behind it. I think that there were Middle Eastern people on the scene running away."
Yeah, right. In the back of every muslims mind when something like this happens a little thought skitters around. "It's ok. They're only infidels." Then they go back to camel humping.
like Belshazzar, they have seen the handwriting on the wall. the world will no longer accept excuses, lies, spin-doctoring, rants, trickery, deception, falsehoods. they are going to be rewarded for this harvest. they have refused to take out the trash and have blamed the Israelis and everyone else for their own animals.
Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Bukhari:V4B52N50 “The Prophet said, ‘A single endeavor of fighting in Allah’s Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it.’”
Qur’an 9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
There is no peace, no tolerance in Islam. Never believe that this religion is a religion of peace. Do not believe President Bush, Hugh Hewitt, or Michael Savage when they say Islam is an honorable religion being hijacked by bad Muslims. Good Muslims kill according to Islamic scripture.
But I think your assertion that they were not Muslims is correct. Out side of that your statement ignores the fact that our primary enemy is Islam.
LOL proof positive!
They act surprised to know this?
or are they really becoming terrified because every day in every way, the world KNOWS this now?
And this slaughter in Russia, is yet MORE irrefutable proof of their mad prophet's mental disorder... and their own for following him in the islamic call to murder infidels, jews and christians in massive quantities...
you know, the entire koran?
you get an A+ for being one of the very few who understand why these thousands of events occur, from the small to the large. we ignore it at our own peril.
never did the parents in the Russian school imagine it would affect them. never did the crew of the USS Cole imagine it would affect them. never did the office workers in the World Trade Center Towers imagine it would affect them (amazingly, after 1993). we ignore it at our own peril.
you two are doing the lib thing. Pick out the <1% exceptions and say the premise is wrong because you found an exception.
Ok. Let me fix it.
99.999999999999999999999999999999999% of terrorists are muslim.
Ok???? Sheesh.
thank you. always after these events there's never condemnation of those who just committed the act, there's always misdirection ...
They R a JOKE!
I was agreeing with you in reality. The IRA are very regional. They came to mind because I lived in Ireland a couple of years with an American company.
Know your enemy. You can download MP3s of Craig Winn's book Prophet of Doom at conservativeimage.com if you don't have time to read. This stuff isn't so hard to understand. Don't forget about the two Muslim clerics arrested in our own Albany, New York last month.
This from the Telegraph article: In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Mohammed said: "If an Iraqi Muslim carried out an attack like that in Britain, it would be justified because Britain has carried out acts of terrorism in Iraq. "As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be okay."
Oh..puhleeze......you are technically correct, but such a small percentage are not muslim that it is hardly worth mentioning. The comment "All the World Terrorists Are Muslims" is essentially correct.
I am really beginning to think that the world consensus is slowly turning towards favoring the excision of Mecca.
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..but McVeigh & Nichols had Muslim connections via the Philippines. Sorry, we still cannot cut the ties.
Valid point. I hate to break the news to Osama, but if only Russia and the U.S. "unite" against the wacko Islamic Middle East, the Muslims will be playing in the sand without electricity, running water, airplanes, or functioning vehicles of any kind.
Once again...a small percentage of the terrorist. By the way, their was a working relationship between the IRA and the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. Am I missing something has the IRA been blowing up buildings and killing people in the last year or two?
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