Posted on 09/05/2004 5:04:49 PM PDT by Maigrey
The images being shown from Belsan, Russia, were hideous. The situation was infuriating. And knowing the circumstances doesn’t excuse the actions.
This week was the start of the Russian school year. In Russian culture, the start of the school year is marked with celebration, with extended families and friends going to the child’s school, and with bringing gifts for the child’s teacher. This year will be remembered for the brutal massacre at the school in school number one in Belsan.
On Wednesday, terrorists stormed the school, and took the people in the school hostage. Initial reports said that there were 100 to 400 hostages. Sadly, this was underestimated by almost 200 percent. When the school was evacuated today, there were over 1000 hostages, with a casualty rate of almost 75 percent! The few men who were present at the school when it was taken hostage were herded up like cattle, and slaughtered. The terrorists did this to keep the rest of the hostages compliant, and the children paralyzed with fear.
For three days, the 30 gunmen terrorized the children. This group included Arabs, Chechens, and women. The conditions they were held in were worse than the worst hellhole prison in any country. The carnage they witnessed will surely scar their lives and souls. The children were forced to strip to their undergarments, and forced to sit, shoulder to shoulder, with them being curled up knees under their chins. They were forced to sit quietly, with any noise having fatal consequences. They were not allowed to sleep, or drink, nor eat. This went on for three days.
Even prisoners are allowed water. But these children – along with the adults – were denied even this simple item. What beast would deny children water to drink? What group of monsters would force children to strip to their underwear? What evil would force children to consume their own liquid waste to stay hydrated?
One child, who had the courage to ask for water, was skewered like a pig. All for asking for water to drink. Should a child be killed for asking for a drink of water? Absolutely not. But the terrorists didn’t care about that. They were acting like petulant three year olds, who weren’t getting their way. They stated to the hostages that they were being denied water because Russian President Vladimir Putin wouldn’t come and deal with them personally. Another terrorist stabbed another child repeatedly, when the scum ran out of ammo. Their actions on the first day were recorded on video, and sent to Putin to show him they were serious. This video showed the terrorists raping girls, and murdering men.
Other atrocities were also committed. The terrorists raped girls. Uncles and fathers were murdered after being forced to assist in wiring the explosives. One man was executed in front of the children as an object lesson to obey or die. Mothers with multiple children at the school were forced to abandon one child to the terrorists and were allowed to leave with another. What evil would make a mother choose which child would live or die?
The terrorists were financed by Al-Quaeda, and trained in the hostage techniques in Chechnya. They murdered parents, and scared children. Were the children involved in the ten-year ongoing war in Chechnya, which the Chechen people say is a war for their independence? Were the women who were in the school responsible for the deaths during the war? Of course, they were treated like refuse by the terrorists.
Once the Russian crisis was resolved, the stories that have emerged are brutal, and make you want to cry for mercy for the children, and fury at those responsible. Alas, those who were directly responsible have paid the price for their actions with their lives. All were reported dead by Saturday, including one enterprising “Black Widow” who disguised herself as a teacher, and got out to a hospital with the children. Security forces killed her as she was attempting to detonate explosives around her body.
Finally, after all the horror has been reported, there come the recriminations. There was finger pointing at the Russian President, who didn’t want to negotiate with the evil thugs. Then there was the chaos from the detonation of the explosives in the gym, murdering scores of people. They European Union demanded information as to how this could happen. But what is embarrassing is the lack of resources for the children and adults after they escaped. According to news reports from Itar-Tass, the International Red Cross wasn’t present at the school, to provide relief efforts, because they were not requested.
Why for the love of life would someone have to request having the International Red Cross come out and assist these children? You would think a national catastrophe would automatically demand their presence, and not have to be requested. This is an outrage on a global scale. But I guess Muslim prisoners are more important that Christian children being held hostage.
Yes, you read correctly. What the national news markets are not reporting widely is that the terrorists targeted this school because it was a Christian school. Some of the children were members of the Russian Orthodox Church, a slightly different form of Greek Orthodox.
Once the funerals are completed, and Russia has a time to mourn the chaos of the last two weeks, there is going to be hell to pay. I don’t wish Russian justice and vengeance on anyone.
Nor do they care if you're a flaming liberal or a conservative.
I haven't read the whole thing...I have a boy standing here. Thanks for the thread, Maigrey.
There, that's better.
What beast would deny children water to drink? What group of monsters would force children to strip to their underwear? What evil would force children to consume their own liquid waste to stay hydrated?
Mo-slimes would.
There is only one way to deal with such demonic monsters.
And you, gentle reader, know it as well as I.
It's time these animals get a taste of their own medicine!
"We must keep our strong President in charge and give him an even stronger republican congress."
Ditto.
*Most* of the children were Russian Orthodox. It's the primary religion in North Ossetia.
Why did the American press not the report this during the Republican convention!?
I really don't expect an answer.
Sorry about painting with too broad of a brush.
...Since we seem to have new rules of warfare, now.
I imagined myself as a young teen, my first sweet crush of a girlfriend looking sidelong at me on the first day of school....and then being raped and slaughtered by muslim pigs, as my classmates were butchered. This has kept me in a raging fury all day.
It's a great writing. Thank you for it.
Russia still has 10k nuclear warheads!
The russians can make the Caucasus inhospitable for NO ONE for the next 10000 years.
Putin, your move.
I read a book a few years ago called "The War in 2020". While the book premise of the Japanese being behind an overall war against America doesn't seem particularly plausible in today's world, particularly with how Japan has stood with us in the war on terror, the way Muslim extremists was described seems all too real. The book describes the former Soviet Union in a shambles, at war with Muslim extremists. It describes how Muslims, in tanks and other military vehicles, cruelly run over helpless Russian refugees and for good measure, rape young women for sport. This book was written over 10 years ago I think, but the author had Muslim extremists pegged.
BTTT
What you said. Time and time again liberal supporters when to chechnya bringing them aid and journalistic support, and were kidnapped and beheaded for their trouble, by the very people they were trying to help.
So you can only conclude that liberals, like the one who just posted a pro-chechen vanity here about an hour ago ( it was pulled) are very, very naive.
And chechens are incredibly stupid beyond belief or simply evil to the core, having shown a great love for blood and gore, snuff films, mutilation of children.
It's all beyond my comprehension why either acts as they do.
The MSM doesn't want to hurt Kerry with the story reminding people that this is a dangerous world, full of beasts such as these Muslim terrorists. It's an "overblown threat", doncha know?
We have to be resolute in this war againg the terroists and terminate them when we find them. Taking prisoners is not an workable option unless it's a high level operative that we can squeeze for information and then dispose of. There should not be acknowledgment of prisoners, as a general rule IMO.
The terrorists are people that are to be eliminated without question or mention of what became of them other than "we killed x number in the operation".
Don't forget about Armenia. They're Christians who have suffered multiple genocide at the hands of Ottoman Turks (Muslims) during the early part of this century. We don't want to make Armenia uninhabitable.
Nuclear warheads also produce dangerous radioactive fallout which will drift thousands of miles from the detonation area; therefore, they are not the answer.
My best guess: Call for UNITED STATES SPECIAL FORCES allied with ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCES to root out terrorists and train and equip the hapless Russians to do the same. At this point, the Russians will not suffer defeat for failure of the will.
Except even that doesn't work with these slimeballs. They have no regard for the sanctity of life, so killing their families has no effect.
The only solution is to kill them so they stop.
Check history. It is necessary to de-humanize your enemy so when you begin killing them with reckless abandon, it’s just like shooting beer cans off a fence post. Muslims, islamofacists, anyone that even looks toward Mecca once during the day have a toe over the line. The west won’t have to fire up the propaganda machine to accomplish the necessary de-humanizing. They are doing it for us.
Just makes you wonder how much more the west will take before we start shooting those beer cans off the fence.
Probably not necessary to go that far but it will be interesting to see what Putin's next move will be.
What he should do is join W in the war on terror but I'm assuming that won't happen.
So, based on that assumption, what I would do if I were Putin is:
1..Pick the town that most likely is the origin of the terrorists.
2..Round up ALL the muslim children and make them wards of the state.
3..Round up all the muslim women and relocate them to other towns.
4..Round up all the muslim men and send them to Siberia to never be heard from again.
I too have taken it personally, as I have a first grader who is the light of my life.. I am so mad I can't even speak to my oldest friend.. a liberal anti-war America hater.. most of the time I can tolerate her because we don't talk politics.. but right now if she called I would probably go off on her about how people like her are the reason terrorists are able to flourish in this world. I am NOT in a tolerant mood. Especially when I look at my little one.
Yup. Sharon and the Aussies have already come a callin.
It has pretty much enabled me to wish for ikcheria to be wiped from the face of the earth.
This is the kind of thing I've been saying. The terrorist tragedy was horrendous enough (and ongoing in places like Sudan), but that the media and others can justify or overlook or turn a blind eye is reprehensible. And it allows the terrorist-aggressor to feel justified or lauded for their efforts. Absolutely disgusting.
Thank God .. could you imagine the carnage if she blew up the hospital ?
I still have that book. Good read, of course Toshiba gunships with tactical lasers ... not likely. Runciman's disease ... much more likely.
I truly believe the actual church buildings will be next. The only thing standing in the way of that kind of attack will be the future opportunity to turn that church into a mosque.
save for later
"....the only thing that works is hitting them harder than they hit you."
That's the advice my brother gave me when I was bullied by one particular kid in my high school. It worked too!
Nor do they care whether you are young or old.
WHEN is the lamestream press going to understand that???????
I guess only when THEY are held captive by "hostage-takers", AKA TERRORISTS.
In the meantime, the media will ONLY be outraged when a Daniel Pearl is killed.
350+ killed is no equal to one "journalist".
I think so. But Hillary and her loser husband loved the terrorists.
That will only create more 'black widows'.....
btt
I think it's really really important for moslems who don't want to be lumped in with the evil ones to speak up en masse and soon! I know many of them are scared to speak up, especially the women.. I only see them at night anymore..they don't come out during the day. I can't imagine why a woman would be a part of a "religion" that would reduce her to chattel anyhow.
Yes, that is what I meant, too, I am just really torqued by the comments of some on the news and other places. Yes, I believe the buildings will be targeted, much like the churches in Iraq just recently. They will certainly be converted if feasible or simply leveled, before or after they are of some service to the terrorists. Very sad. Of course, if they 'get' church members in the process, they won't be disappointed, afterall, their point is to send a message. Sigh.
OK
Then send the women to Siberia - forever - too.
I don't understand how they could target children in such a brutal fashion. It is the ultimate example of using the terribly flawed idea that the "end justifies the means"
My oldest friend is a flaming liberal, here is the letter I'm sending her:
I think it would be best if we don't speak for awhile. I'd like to say it isn't anything you've said or done
specifically, that would only be partially true. Rather than some small personal tiff, this is about a bigger
issue, mainly your politics. I've tried very hard to avoid discussing political issues with you, and its pretty
much worked, even though I've noticed you like to throw little things in to try and bait me, whether you
realize it or not. I've managed to overlook and ignore all that because you are my oldest friend.
The massacre that happened in Russia this week opened my eyes to a few truths. The reason terrorists
are able to go around the world, murdering children and adults is because people like you allow it.
You are anti-war, even if the war is against terrorists capable of slaughtering innocents, You are anti-
American, even though this country has allowed you to say and do whatever you please. Nowhere else on
earth would you have the opportunities that you've pissed away here. The opportunity to open your mouth
and spout off was won for you by men and women much braver than you, who gave their lives so you could be free. Many places on earth you would be killed or jailed for your opinions.
You are an ignorant person, only mimicking ideas fed to you by the liberal media, you don't bother to find
out things on your own.
I'm no longer a liberal because I grew up and took responsibility for my life. I stopped playing victim. I
stopped making excuses for my failures.
George Bush and America didn't force you to date a pedophile and give up your child, George Bush and
America didn't piss away your inheritance. George Bush and America didn't force you into a group house
and screw up your life. YOU DID.
When you support the anti-war movement you are supporting dictators who kill and maim women and
children in the ugliest ways imaginable, you support a "religion" that doesn't allow women to vote or go to
school.. because of the US, women in Afghanistan and Iraq can now do those things without fear of
reprisal.. in Iran, women are still hung for being raped.
When you support the anti-war movement you support terrorists who can go into a school and murder
children.... shooting them in the back when they tried to escape..
You should be forced to look at pictures of the dead babies and children in Russia, because of people like
you who don't want to fight back against evil. this will continue to happen.. someday it might happen to you
and your child. The terrorists don't love you for helping them,,they hate you, no matter whether you're
liberal or conservative, they hate you whether you're American or Russian or French.. because they are full
of hate. And yet you help them just the same.
The great thing about this country (one of MANY great things) is that you can continue to believe as you
wish, do as you wish, for as long as you like. Just don't expect me to want to be around someone who
would sit back and let evil people do as they wish.
Never have, never will.
We only have 2 real allies in this world, maybe 3, and they ain't the rooskies.
Putin is just trying to play us for suckers.
How do you know that? In what specific way is that demonstrated?
The key should be fighting terrorists not supporting every other regime that the terrorists target
Agreed..where did I say anything about supporting every other regime that the terrorists target? I assume your response was to something I posted.
If you have always been a slave, a piece of property, nothing but chattel, and beaten for everything and nothing, and terrorized all your life, with your very existence being dependent upon someone else's whim by someone - your father, your husband, and in most places and times, your son, you can not even conceive of a life of freedom. It is totally and utterly beyond your experience, as it has been for most women, everywhere, everywhen.
It is still this way for most women, indeed - most people, on this earth. Even here, in the US, the sex trade of unwilling, and unwillingly illegal alien women, brought here by lies of a better life and honest work, is based upon slavery, ownership of human women by those who see them as nothing but a piece of property, and kept enslaved by fear and brutality.
I assume you're speaking to the 4 steps I made and not the first which was to join W in the war on terror.
Joining W would be my first choice but based on what I've heard from Putin sofar I don't think he's inclined to go that direction.
As to the creation of black widows, I'm not opposed to creating 'black widows' if it accomplishes the objective and mind you, I haven't suggested that anyone be killed, something the enemy has no compunction about.
Perhaps a better wording would have been:
You support a "religion" that doesn't allow women out of the house without a male escort, even it it means she starves to death. You support a "religion" that requires women to stay inside burning buildings to be incinerated.
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