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Kerry reshuffles top campaign staff (as the whiff of burning toast permeates the air)
WASHINGTON POST ^ | Monday, September 06, 2004 | LOIS ROMANO AND DAN BALZ

Posted on 09/06/2004 1:24:46 AM PDT by Liz

Candidate under pressure from Democrats to climb out of slump and regain initiative

PITTSBURGH -- Under fire to shape up his presidential campaign, Democratic challenger John Kerry yesterday tapped two veteran party strategists from Boston to assume top roles in an operation that has been criticized by Democratic allies for allowing President Bush to regain the initiative in the battle for the White House.

Campaign officials said John Sasso, who has been running general election operations at the Democratic National Committee, will now become the senior Kerry adviser aboard the candidate's traveling charter until the election. Michael Whouley, who helped rescue Kerry's campaign in Iowa during the nomination battle, will take over Sasso's responsibilities at the DNC, reprising the role he played for Al Gore four years ago.

Kerry advisers described the moves as long planned and part of an overall effort to put the strongest possible team together for the final 60 days of the campaign. But the decisions, which caught some staff members at the campaign and DNC by surprise, were seen by other Democrats as an acknowledgment by Kerry that his campaign needed help in the wake of the most difficult month he has endured since winning the nomination last spring.

Those Democrats said Kerry had been slow to respond to criticisms and the campaign appeared to be sluggish in some of its decision-making. They predicted the changes would bring greater focus to the Democratic nominee's campaign.

Kerry advisers said they planned a much more aggressive campaign in the final two months, with Kerry and vice presidential nominee John Edwards leading the attack, and that restructuring at the campaign and the DNC will help in drawing a sharper contrast with Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kerry; kerrystrategy
Since his convention in Boston in late July, Kerry has been on a downward slide, attacked by a group of Swift Boat veterans over his service in Vietnam and his anti-war protests when he returned to the United States and hurt by several statements that sowed confusion about where he stands on the war in Iraq.

Bush took advantage of both problems and then used his New York convention last week to hammer Kerry as unreliable on national defense and to present himself as the candidate best able to keep the country safe against terrorism. The first two polls taken after Bush's convention, by Time and Newsweek, showed an immediate boost, with Kerry trailing by 11 percentage points in both -- the largest deficit either candidate has suffered in the campaign. Kerry campaign officials said their internal polls also put Bush in the lead, but by a narrower margin.

1 posted on 09/06/2004 1:24:46 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

Wasn't this one of Karl Rove's top signs of blood in the water?


2 posted on 09/06/2004 1:30:35 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: LibertarianInExile

The thing is, and the press is ignoring it, Kerry cannot even run a good campaign, yet we are supposed to believe he could be president at a time when we're at war with terrorism all over the globe. He fights with all his fellow vets, yet we are supposed to believe he could run diplomacy for the nation. He's been acting like a spoiled and entitled child ever since the swiftvets called him on his Vietnam War stories, yet we are to believe he could handle the pressures of being president. The man is desperate and ridiculous wishing to be president, but he cannot even be a decent person when he deals with secret service agents and other people too plain for the GREAT man.


3 posted on 09/06/2004 1:35:12 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (http://chucksutahblog.blogspot.com/)
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To: Liz

On the cruise ship, Kool-Aid,,,,,,,,the chairs are shuffled.


4 posted on 09/06/2004 1:36:25 AM PDT by Waco
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To: Liz

Yet another fumble by Kerry. Rather than pick one person to run the whole shebang, he brings in Sasso to be "Senior Adult" on Kerry's campaign plane, while leaving Cahill to run the show on the ground. I'm sure there will be lots of fun phone calls between the two for the next 60 days! This is supposed to help him compress his decision loop and respond better?


5 posted on 09/06/2004 1:38:58 AM PDT by rotstan
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To: Waco

He bringing people in but i dont see him letting anybody go
Too many cooks

BAD SIGN


6 posted on 09/06/2004 1:39:05 AM PDT by skaterboy
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To: Liz
Kerry advisers described the moves as long planned and part of an overall effort to put the strongest possible team together for the final 60 days

Uhhh, sure. Look there goes another flying pig!!!!!

7 posted on 09/06/2004 1:39:51 AM PDT by Casloy (qs)
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To: Liz

Whistling past the graveyard. Let's have more of this "reshuffling," shall we? (laughing)


8 posted on 09/06/2004 1:39:58 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: elhombrelibre

Yep.

"We choose to ignore the rudeness of our inquistor for daring to ask us a question, for we are the queen, and such impertinence is not to be allowed from the unwashed masses."

I swear, I heard Kerry think it during one speech. If I had to bet, Te-RAY-za has SAID it.


9 posted on 09/06/2004 1:43:35 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Liz
Kerry and Madame Dufarge are still calling all the shots, though their aim isn't likely to improve.

Kerry's campaign is sluggish because John Kerry is sluggish.
10 posted on 09/06/2004 1:49:00 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are still very few shades of gray.)
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To: rotstan

It is the typical liberal response, hire more people.


11 posted on 09/06/2004 1:51:06 AM PDT by stockpirate (Dick Morris; Before he spoke, supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor)
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To: Casloy
Well I guess than that Kerry has a plan for dealing with this.

Is John Kerry a war criminal? Consider the following.

After the Tet offensive North Vietnam was beaten, but with the Socialist press in America and the VVAW the North Vietnamese Communists decided to hold on.

This meant that instead of a US victory in South Vietnam and freedom for the South Vietnamese we had 10,000 - 15,000 more US deaths. America’s POW's were being tortured while listening to tapes of John "Traitor" Kerry calling them baby killers.

The VVAW, an antiwar group, which Kerry was one of the national leaders of, was receiving directions from the North Vietnamese Communist Government. VVAW in contact with in contact with NV Communist Government

The directions were on how the VVAW should protest the Vietnam War.

The interaction became so depraved, that the North Vietnamese Communist contacted the VVAW via a phone call and advised the VVAW that they were getting ready to start an attack on US troops and that the VVAW was to be prepared to increase the protests against the increase in bombing that the NV Communists were sure would happen. This put our men in further danger because of John Kerry and VVAW actions. VVAW gets directions from the VS Communists

John Kerry had no concern for the lives of his fellow soldiers in Vietnam or the POW's, John Kerry only cared about himself and his ambition to become POTUS, whatever the cost.

How many deaths of United States servicemen does John Kerry have on his hands?

How many families has John Kerry's behavior as a VVAW leader and a traitor to his country caused untold pain and suffering to?

How many unnecessary tears have been cried because John Kerry betrayed our trust to help a Communist government?

Why didn't John Kerry speak out just one time against the war crimes of his "Comrades in Arms of the North Vietnamese Communists"?
12 posted on 09/06/2004 1:52:17 AM PDT by stockpirate (Dick Morris; Before he spoke, supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor)
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To: elhombrelibre

>>The thing is, and the press is ignoring it, Kerry cannot even run a good campaign, yet we are supposed to believe he could be president at a time when we're at war with terrorism all over the globe

Why isn't the Bush camp saying what you said? That's a good line.


13 posted on 09/06/2004 1:54:32 AM PDT by The Raven (Has never listened to Air America!!!)
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To: stockpirate

>>America’s POW's were being tortured while listening to tapes of John "Traitor" Kerry calling them baby killers.

Listening to John Kerry IS torture !!


14 posted on 09/06/2004 1:58:50 AM PDT by The Raven (Has never listened to Air America!!!)
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To: LibertarianInExile; Waco; rotstan; Casloy; goldstategop; Dr. Eckleburg

"So Bush is up double digits. Big Deal. I was in Vietnam!"
15 posted on 09/06/2004 2:00:04 AM PDT by Liz
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To: rotstan

Spin, spin, spin.

16 posted on 09/06/2004 2:02:19 AM PDT by Liz
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To: skaterboy

He bringing people in but i dont see him letting anybody go


I can think of three possible reasons for this.

1.) He can state that he's already 'creating jobs', and use this as evidence that he should be president.

2.) Has more people to blame for his failures.

3.) It keeps disgruntled, ex-campaign staff from making the rounds on the talk shows telling all of the 'dirty laundry'.


17 posted on 09/06/2004 2:04:36 AM PDT by Sapper26 (In Europe will it be called Celsius 488.3?)
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To: Liz

Like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.


18 posted on 09/06/2004 2:06:54 AM PDT by Cincinna (GREETINGS from the home of the REPUBLICAN CONVENTION)
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To: Cincinna
Mark Steyn made a beautiful comment......... "(Kerry) feels it's lese majeste even to question him. He can talk about Vietnam 24/7, but nobody else is allowed to bring it up.............. "

Kerry considers himself the rightful heir to the presidency. Kerry's arrogant "sense of entitlement" is a disturbing pre-Revolutionary war image, ala King George IV, that Kerry is totally oblivious to.

Kerry has been planning and scheming to "wear the crown" for so long that he goes ballistic when the rest of America doesn't see it his way.

His arrogance is apparent in that he actually thought he was going to get away with ascending to the presidency on the basis of his Viet service without any questions being raised.

19 posted on 09/06/2004 2:10:48 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

When leftist cartoonists start running pictures of the USS Kerry sinking ala titanic, THEN it might be something. I think this is to lull us into a false sense of confidence.


20 posted on 09/06/2004 2:10:54 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Liz
Kerry had been slow to respond to criticisms

Because his only truthful answer would be to agree with the statements.

...will help in drawing a sharper contrast with Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

Yup,Yup,Yup. It will certainly do that. Not to Kerry's benefit of course.But sharp contrast will exist.

21 posted on 09/06/2004 2:22:04 AM PDT by leadhead
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To: Liz

Your photo may be more prophetic than humorous. This guy is scarry.


22 posted on 09/06/2004 2:27:36 AM PDT by leadhead
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To: rotstan
Yet another fumble by Kerry. Rather than pick one person to run the whole shebang, he brings in Sasso to be "Senior Adult" on Kerry's campaign plane, while leaving Cahill to run the show on the ground. I'm sure there will be lots of fun phone calls between the two for the next 60 days! This is supposed to help him compress his decision loop and respond better?

He has no choice. Cahill is one of Kennedy's camp followers. If he fires her, he'll get Kennedy p.o.'d at him; if he doesn't let Bill & Hillary's buddies into the game, they'll torpedo him. Darned if he does, and darned if he doesn't.

23 posted on 09/06/2004 2:45:44 AM PDT by Brandon
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To: longtermmemmory
I think this is to lull us into a false sense of confidence.

That would be a sort of rope-a-dope, something the DIMs have shown no ability to pull off.

It wouldn't be very good strategy to look like a campaign in disarray, after a month of being....a campaign in disarray. Eventually image becomes reality. Strong horse, weak horse, all that stuff.
24 posted on 09/06/2004 2:56:18 AM PDT by Belisaurius ("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
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To: Liz

Kerry shuffles his campaign staff,
will be known in the future as, the moment
Kerry's campaign jumped the shark.


25 posted on 09/06/2004 3:08:20 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: greasepaint; Fracas; onyx

26 posted on 09/06/2004 3:13:33 AM PDT by Liz
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To: greasepaint
Nope ... the shark was jumped when he saluted at the Democrat convention.

Stupidest hand gesture made on TV since Ed Sullivan thought Jackie Mason flipped him off.

27 posted on 09/06/2004 3:43:10 AM PDT by Rose in RoseBear (HHD [... Oh, the shark/Has pretty teeth, dear/And he shows them/Pearly white ...])
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To: Liz

Hmmm. Kerry replaces top female campaign staffers -- Cahill and Cutter -- with four more white males. Still does nothing to address lack of racial diversity in his top team. Donna Brazile, Al Sharpton and Emily's List, are you watching?


28 posted on 09/06/2004 3:47:13 AM PDT by florida one
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To: florida one

But.....but........(Sniffle) Kerry's so "tolerant and compassionate" (sob).


29 posted on 09/06/2004 3:48:48 AM PDT by Liz
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To: All

I don't see why Kerry doesn't just hire the UN and let them run his campaign. After all if he had the chance he's going to let them run the country!


30 posted on 09/06/2004 3:51:38 AM PDT by Terp (Retired living in Philippines were the Mountains meet the Sea in the Land of Smiles)
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To: Liz
"Brief break" for Kerry yesterday for daughter's birthday.
"Brief treatment" for Terayza's stomach troubles.
50 brief front porch appearances coming in stepped up K. campaign.

Bush landslide election returns K. to Terayza's house, asking his butler, "Do you know who I am?"

31 posted on 09/06/2004 4:17:14 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: Terp; All
Here's the funniest part:

The NY Times has the shake-up story, too. But its article describes a complete different campaign team and strategy!

F ormer President Bill Clinton, in a 90-minute telephone conversation from his hospital room, offered John Kerry detailed advice on Saturday night on how to reinvigorate his candidacy, as Mr. Kerry enlisted more Clinton advisers to help shape his strategy and message for the remainder of the campaign.

In an expansive conversation, Mr. Clinton, who is awaiting heart surgery, told Mr. Kerry that he should move away from talking about Vietnam, which had been the central theme of his candidacy, and focus instead on drawing contrasts with President Bush on job creation and health care policies, officials with knowledge of the conversation said.

The conversation and the recruitment of old Clinton hands came amid rising concern among Democrats about the state of Mr. Kerry's campaign and criticism that he had been too slow to respond to attacks on his military record or to engage Mr. Bush on domestic policy. Among the better-known former Clinton aides who are expected to play an increasingly prominent role are James Carville, Paul Begala and Stanley Greenberg, campaign aides said.

...

The installation of former Clinton lieutenants is creating two distinct camps at Mr. Kerry's campaign headquarters on McPherson Square in downtown Washington.

The first is the existing Kerry high command, which includes Mary Beth Cahill, the campaign manager; Bob Shrum, a senior adviser; Tad Devine, a senior adviser; and Stephanie Cutter, the communications director. The second is the Clinton camp, which includes Joe Lockhart, a former White House press secretary; Joel Johnson, a former senior White House aide; and Doug Sosnik, a former Clinton political director. And Howard Wolfson, a former chief of staff to Hillary Rodham Clinton, joined the campaign yesterday.

This is my favorite part...

"It's very simple," Joel Johnson said in an interview yesterday, describing what he said would be the template for Mr. Kerry's speeches and advertisements in the weeks ahead. "It's: 'Bush has taken us in the wrong direction. If you want more of the same for the next four years, vote for President Bush. If you want a new direction, John Kerry and John Edwards.' It's not complicated. Failed policies, jobs and the economy, health care."

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The notion that the campaign was settling on a new message for the fall came as news to some senior staff members.

"That's really groundbreaking," one senior aide said sarcastically when told about the focus on Mr. Bush's policies outlined by Mr. Johnson. "I think our negative frame should be that George Bush is a liar. He misled the country on Iraq. And then everything else that he lies about, bring it back to that."

Between the NY Times and the WashPost you'd think they're talking to two different campaigns in two different elections. Must be that "two camps" thing. What a mess.

Oh, and Paul Begala made it clear to the reporter that he will continue working at CNN while he's working on the Kerry campaign!

32 posted on 09/06/2004 4:17:58 AM PDT by Timeout (My name is Timeout....and I'm a blogaholic)
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To: Rose in RoseBear
Stupidest hand gesture made on TV since Ed Sullivan thought Jackie Mason flipped him off.

It was stupid--in a pathetically funny way. Pure cornball.

33 posted on 09/06/2004 4:22:42 AM PDT by gop_gene
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To: Timeout

I read both articles and one thing is very clear. There is mass confusion in the Kerry camp from top to bottom. There are no clear lines of authority or responsibility. How are things going to improve for Kerry by adding more bozos to the bus?


34 posted on 09/06/2004 4:37:06 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Just imagine how the reporters from each paper feel when they read the account of the other paper. They've got to be scratching their heads in wonder.

It appears that their distinctly different stories came from the two distinctly differnt camps in the campaign (referred to in the NY Times). Not good for Kerry if he's got two teams broadcasting conflicting messages to the media. Even the old media won't put up with that.


35 posted on 09/06/2004 4:43:52 AM PDT by Timeout (My name is Timeout....and I'm a blogaholic)
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To: Liz

Crosswalk.com - Sep 01 10:55 AM
Dems Turn Defensive on Possible Kerry Campaign Shakeup
Robert B. Bluey
Staff Writer

New York (CNSNews.com) - Rumors of a possible shakeup of Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's presidential campaign put Democratic Party chairman Terry McAuliffe on the defensive Wednesday when peppered with questions from reporters.

"There will be no major campaign shakeups.
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1282610.html

We were against a shakeup just before we were for it.


36 posted on 09/06/2004 5:22:50 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Timeout

It seems like he has two teams talking to the media AND two teams advising him. He will get less than 40% of the popular vote.


37 posted on 09/06/2004 6:13:40 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Smartaleck

Terry lost another one, eh? .............no wonder the Dims keep him on......he's such an effective DNC chief.


38 posted on 09/06/2004 6:42:48 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Former Proud Canadian; Timeout

Reminds me of Cheney's best line..............


Kerry says he sees "two Americas."

That's understandable b/c America sees two Kerry's.


39 posted on 09/06/2004 6:44:59 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

The Kerry "campaign" came to a gunfight with knives. They tried for weeks to get their pals in the media to force the Bush campaign to put down their guns. (Note the continuing mentions of Karl Rove by Begala, and even in Kerry's last speech - they are still trying to demonize the Bush campaign strategist! Idiots!) Now that it's clear that strategy has failed, they are flailing around trying to find some guns. But they have already lost the fight. The Bush guns have cleared the field.


40 posted on 09/06/2004 7:14:21 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Proud to be a Reagan Alumna!)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

Nice take.

I think the 2004 prez campaign will be remembered for two things: the SBV's efforts ..................and Kerry's dumb salute "reporting for duty" which went over like a lead balloon.


41 posted on 09/06/2004 7:50:25 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

His defenders say Kerry is a "great closer." I'm not much for Mass. politics so I couldn't say.


42 posted on 09/06/2004 8:56:09 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Graymatter

I suspect it's easier, when you're John Kerry, to win elections in Massachusetts. His reputation as a "great closer" may be a purely local thing. If true at all.


43 posted on 09/06/2004 9:40:22 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Graymatter

Yeah, but he never "closed" against GWB (snicker).


44 posted on 09/06/2004 9:49:37 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz


I purchased the video, "THE HANOI HILTON" at Wal-Mart a few weeks ago. It was on sale for $5.99. I recall seeing the movie on television many years ago. I had a chance to watch the movie yesterday and now the movie, more than ever is relevant to the anti-war activities of John Kerry during the Vietnam War. Especially how the POW's were tortured many times due to the actions of John Kerry, Jane Fonda and their friends in the media.

If you have an opportunity to view it I recommend highly that you see this movie. It is a glimpse of what the POW's went through while held prisoner by the Communist North Vietnamese.

The video is available from Amazon and other online video stores.

From website: "Shot in the Dark" http://www.shotinthedark.info/

"In 1987, Lionel Chetwynd's excellent Hanoi Hilton received widely-mixed reviews (many of them politically-motivated). Worse, its distributor essentially sat on the movie, under pressure from Hollywood leftists, for its treatment of Jane Fonda. The movie depicted life at North Vietnam's Hoa Lo prison accurately - but it changed the last names of the prisoners, and of their visitors, including Jane Fonda. An actress who represents Fonda ("Paula") does everything Fonda is said to have done while in the Hilton. That was one of several stories that Hollywood didn't want told (that and, of course, the moral of the story; the men survived because of their military training and warrior ethic). "Hanoi Hilton" was buried, received a tiny theatrical release, and is hard to find on video today. (Do it if you can - it's an excellent movie)."




On the back of the box there is the following endorsement from President Ronald Reagan:

"Every American should see this powerful and moving film as a tribute to our POW's."

President Ronald Reagan

Synopsis:

HANOI HILTON (1987)

Genre(s): POW/MIA, Vietnam War

Cast: Michael Moriarty, Paul LeMat, Jeffrey Jones, Lawrence Pressman, Stephen Davies, David Soul, Rick Fitts, Aki Aleong, Gloria Carlin; DIRECTED BY: Lionel Chetwynd; WRITTEN BY: Lionel Chetwynd. PRODUCER: Cannon Films.

Review: A brutal drama about the sufferings of American POWs in Vietnamese prison camps. Non-stop torture, filth, and degradation.

Reviews on Amazon.com website:

Editorial Reviews

Description

A true story about American soldiers interned in North Vietnam during the years 1964 through 1973, and their struggle to survive within the infamous prison complex they dubbed the Hanoi Hilton.

COMMUNISM WAS EVIL, EVIL, EVIL, June 7, 2004
Reviewer: Steven R. Travers (CALIFORNIA) -

One lonely conservative voice has been trying to shout out from the "wilderness" for years. Lionel Chetwynd is a writer/producer who made "The Hanoi Hilton", which actually described the North Vietnamese as the evil torturers they were. The "Hilton" was the moniker given the infamous prison camp where American POW's were kept while Jane Fonda was flirting with our enemies. Liberal film reviewers criticized it. Do not believe them. It is good stuff.

The Hanoi Hilton, January 18, 2004
Reviewer:

I was in the Air Force during the war and have over 100 combat missions. This is the most accurate presentation of the war that is available. It is a story that needed telling and still needs to be told. It describes the situation of the American prisoners in Vietnam in an accurate and truthful manner. Everyone should see it.

The Hanoi Hilton, April 25, 2001
Reviewer:

This movie shows what terrible hardships these prisoners had to endure. I had the privilege to talk to one of the wives of these heroes and she confirmed a lot of events shown in this movie. Also stated that she was not allowed to even mention that her husband was shot down for six-months. Tell her that this movie was "too long and over emotional"!! Most Americans just did not want to face reality during this sad time in our Country's history. I was there during 1966-1968 and in Saigon 1970. --This text refers to the VHS Tape edition

Internet Movie Database
User Comments:

Date: 14 March 2000
Summary: The Libs Hate This One

While this doesn't have the action of 'Rambo' or the surrealism of 'Apocalypse Now', or 'Full Metal Jacket', it does hit dead-on as the most realistic of the Vietnam movies yet.

Most especially, it accurately contrasts the quiet heroism of the POWs with the hypocrisy of the Hollywood Left, and their comrades in the news media; so much in fact, that it is really pretty amazing this film ever got made at all.

Hollywood hates this film.

You can see a typical Hollywood review of this movie, where it is referred to as "Right-wing bullshit." Go to: http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/80saction/hanoihilton.html





45 posted on 09/06/2004 6:07:25 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: LibertarianInExile
The Rub-a-dub-dub campaign rotates positions while the Swift Boats line up for another attack.

Pray for W and Our Troops

46 posted on 09/06/2004 6:11:59 PM PDT by bray (Some men have skeletons in their closets, some have cemetaries!!)
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To: elhombrelibre
Kerry cannot even run a good campaign, yet we are supposed to believe he could be president at a time when we're at war with terrorism all over the globe. He fights with all his fellow vets, yet we are supposed to believe he could run diplomacy for the nation. He's been acting like a spoiled and entitled child ever since the swiftvets called him on his Vietnam War stories, yet we are to believe he could handle the pressures of being president. The man is desperate and ridiculous wishing to be president, but he cannot even be a decent person when he deals with secret service agents and other people too plain for the GREAT man.

One is horrified at what kind of farago of a strategy will result when he cannot keep strait his friends and his enemies. Besides withdrawing from Iraq - though mind you he would have fought in Iraq right afther he wouldn't right after he would - what does he want to accomplish. Give us a short list of 2 or 3 things.

47 posted on 09/06/2004 6:20:18 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Liz

I'm not a poll guy (we still have to win on November 2), but if 52% of the voters are OK with an incumbent, it's usually over.


48 posted on 09/06/2004 6:24:04 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Hillary becomes the RAT candidate on October 9. You saw it here first.)
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