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To: fortheDeclaration

This story presents no proof whatsoever to back up the allegations of a Russian government that needs to deflect attention from the very poor job it did in handling the terroris attack. There's no story to "kill" yet. As far as I'm concerned, until there is real proof or even a strong likelihood of an Al Qaeda involvement, it's just evil Chechnyian terrorists so stoney-hearted that they can bayonet a child or shoot children in the back. Evil. Pure evil.


33 posted on 09/06/2004 6:50:21 AM PDT by Clara Lou (Hillary Clinton: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Clara Lou

"This story presents no proof whatsoever to back up the allegations of a Russian government that needs to deflect attention from the very poor job it did in handling the terroris attack."

The Russians did not do a terrible job, the terrorists came with one goal-to kill
Like the highjackers of 911 they wanted to buy time so they pretended to start talks
Their demands (Russia leaving Chechnyia) showed that they had no intention of dealing but wanted to stall to inflict the maximum losses
Any terror/hostage situation must from now be instantly responded to-no talking.
They were killing people in the building and refusing water to the children-no talking was possible with those crimes going on
The Russians failure was in not reacting right away, which might have saved more lives
We must learn from their mistake
We will not allow any more planes to be hijacked now that we know what they intend to do with them


"There's no story to "kill" yet. As far as I'm concerned, until there is real proof or even a strong likelihood of an Al Qaeda involvement, it's just evil Chechnyian terrorists so stoney-hearted that they can bayonet a child or shoot children in the back. Evil. Pure evil."

The Chechnyias are Muslims
They have identified Arabs among them
Al Quaeda has long been known to have its operatives fighing in Chechnyia
The media will not attach the dots less the Iraqi war seem justified as a war against terror
Saddam had a terror group in his country
Saddam gave sanction to the PLO murderer who killed that American cripple on the ship
This is a world-wide war, not just isolated incidents


36 posted on 09/06/2004 7:01:22 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: Clara Lou

If real proof bit you on the hindquarters, would you even know it? On some of these threads, there are pictures of some of the dead perps, and they sure don't look like Chechens. Others have seen videos of some of the live perps in custody (there are three that we know of), and state they look like Arabs. The children said they were speaking a language that was not Russian, nor any of the other languages spoken in the region. Add it all up, and it looks like the reports could well be true. And please remember, the first reports of the terrorists having Arabs among them came from the hostages themselves.


47 posted on 09/06/2004 7:39:51 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Clara Lou

"This story presents no proof whatsoever to back up the allegations of a Russian government that needs to deflect attention from the very poor job it did in handling the terroris attack. There's no story to "kill" yet. As far as I'm concerned, until there is real proof or even a strong likelihood of an Al Qaeda involvement, it's just evil Chechnyian terrorists so stoney-hearted that they can bayonet a child or shoot children in the back. Evil. Pure evil."

You may be right. But if Putin mistakenly use this as a reason to fight AQ, I'd call that harmless error.


49 posted on 09/06/2004 7:43:19 AM PDT by We Happy Few ("we band of brothers; for he to-day that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother;")
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To: Clara Lou

well, the russians showed the bodies, fingerprints were done, why would you doubt it? And the Russians, confronted inn a small town by 17 terrorists who planned were caught off guard,,we would be too. Dont think that we would be any better. And the Russians didn't appear to start the shoot out. I think the outcome was foreordained. And criticizing the Russians and demanding some standard of proof that is very cynical {who are you to demand it anyway} is having your head inn the sand. Why are you so reluctant to believe al quaeda could be involved? Think they are sweet guys with no global reach who wouldn't do this?


55 posted on 09/06/2004 8:11:09 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Clara Lou

CL-

Perhaps you are correct. But really, when it comes to dealing with Islam we need to have a new standard for for "proof".

That is, we do not "prove" the involvement various terrorist/islamic groups or countries at all.

We have an automatic presumption of guilt for all Arab/terrorist countries. This remains the case until they have provided "proof" beyond a reasonable doubt that they are NOT involved.

If you combine this with a certainty of retaliation then we turn the tables from the presentsituation - Islam has to come to terms and accept the west on OUR terms. We allow them to exist in so far as they prove thoroughly and often that they are NOT involved in terrorist acts.....or development of WMD......or "hostage taking".....or (fill in the blank)

I hope that the Russians declaring that Al Qaeda is involved is a step in this direction. Even if they aren't involved at all (a dubious assumption) blaming them and retaliating against them offers no downside that I can see.

As far as we are concerned, we need to declare the retaliation that the Arab world will face should the US suffer a WMD attack. Then we can offer to entertain proof from Arab/muslim states that they are not involved in such activities, either directly, or indirectly.

We can be the ones that say "well, we understand that you are trying, but it just isn't enough.....if you only did XXX then we would be assured of your good will and maybe we will allow you to escape punishment"



59 posted on 09/06/2004 8:47:02 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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