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There's Something Going On in GOP vs. MediaCrats
9/6/04

Posted on 09/06/2004 5:00:06 AM PDT by Timeout

Even before Zell Miller jumped Chris Matthews last week, I noticed something had changed. During the entire week, when an interviewer colored a question with anti-GOP shiboleths, the person being interviewed shot it down...aggressively.

I believe Karl Rove and gang perceives a wounded enemy after the damage the MediaCrats did to themselves over the Swifty story. The blogoshpere whipped their a$$ in that case.

I think the turning point was the Michelle Malkin interview on Hardball. It was such a grand display of the left's rhetorical trick of twisting what a conservative says and mistating their position over and over and over. Michelle was caught flat-footed by it...she should have directly challenged Chris's misquote. I think the Bushies said "never again". Note that Zell Miller, in his tirade against Matthews, referred back to the Malkin case.

It appears to me that, after the Malkin ambush, Rove and company decided it was time to smash the media's biased concept of conservatives. I believe the talking points must have gone out...don't take it anymore. Slap 'em when they preface a question with some insult to conservatives. When David Gergen tried the old trick of tying Zell to southern racists, Laura Ingraham jumped on him like a junkyard dog and forced him to retreat.

It happened time and again last week...conservatives refusing to move on until the host retracted some implication that the GOP is mean, heartless, racist, etc. This is new to me. Did anyone else notice it?


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1 posted on 09/06/2004 5:00:07 AM PDT by Timeout
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To: Timeout

About time!


2 posted on 09/06/2004 5:02:28 AM PDT by The Great Yazoo (Hey, Hey J-K-F, How Many Vets did you Diss Today!)
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To: Thud

I think you will find this observation of interest.


3 posted on 09/06/2004 5:03:12 AM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: Timeout
Nothing is planned. There are no talking points to fight back.

What is going on is the awareness that the Old Media's long black night of power and endless deceit is OVER. We are mad as "Zell" and we are not going to take it anymore!!!

4 posted on 09/06/2004 5:03:44 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: Timeout

The truth and 650 thousand trumps lies and 65 million dollars. The socialists can't understand why this can happen. Their entire problem solving consists at throwing money at the problem and when it doesn't help throw more money at it.


5 posted on 09/06/2004 5:04:44 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (GEORGE WASHINGTON is nothing like HO CHI MINH as stated by Kerry.)
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To: Timeout

'Bout Time!Hope everyone is armed and ready...!


6 posted on 09/06/2004 5:05:14 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: Timeout

I think Michelle Malkin was our lovely sacrificial lamb. She's tough as nails and every bit as smart as their best. We'll always remember the alabaster serenity of her quiet self-determination. They went too far with her, and the backlash is still coming.


7 posted on 09/06/2004 5:05:33 AM PDT by risk
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To: Timeout
Time will tell regarding any GOP fierceness in rebutting demonrat lies, but we can hope. The GOP has fumbled the ball too many times to get too excited.
8 posted on 09/06/2004 5:06:33 AM PDT by Tulsa Brian ("Yet, Freedom, yet thy banner, torn, but flying streams like the thunderstorm against the wind.")
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To: Timeout
We really ought to be calling Matthews about his lie that Malkin claimed that Kerry shot himself with his own weapon. Malkin never said that. Matthews is the only one who said anything about Kerry shooting himself.

Malkin accurately quoted Unfit for Command allegations that Kerry's wounds were self-inflicted, but Matthews would not let Malkin say so.
9 posted on 09/06/2004 5:08:26 AM PDT by The Great Yazoo (Hey, Hey J-K-F, How Many Vets did you Diss Today!)
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To: Timeout

"Slap 'em when they preface a question with some insult to conservatives."

Alan Colmes is a great practitioner of this tactic and needs to be confronted on it.


10 posted on 09/06/2004 5:08:33 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: FormerACLUmember

I'm not talking "conspiracy". I just think someone may have put together a video of reporters left-tilted rhetorical devices. Example: Chris Matthews kept throwing back at Michelle Malkin, "You're saying he SHOT HIMSELF?!". No, she'd never said that. She said the wound may have been self-inflicted, meaning accidental blow-back. But Chris quickly applied the Dem trick of making her sound as radical as possible. It's a device the Dems and MediaCrats use all the time.

I still think it's a deliberate counter-assault. It was too pervasive and simultaneous to be a simple coincidence.


11 posted on 09/06/2004 5:09:35 AM PDT by Timeout (My name is Timeout....and I'm a blogaholic)
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To: The Great Yazoo

hear hear, I agree


12 posted on 09/06/2004 5:12:57 AM PDT by The Wizard (DemonRATS: enemies of America)
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To: Timeout
Worse, Matthews repeated the "he shot himself" claim when Zell Miller was on Hardball.

Matthews was once interesting. Now, he's just another media liar!
13 posted on 09/06/2004 5:15:34 AM PDT by The Great Yazoo (Hey, Hey J-K-F, How Many Vets did you Diss Today!)
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To: Timeout

Chris Matthews seems to be quite aware of the desparation of his side in this election. Like any cornered animal he is dangerous. So far all that's happened is a bit of snarling and a stream of lies. Before being interviewed by this guy, Republican officeholders and party officials should demand the guy be patted down and checked for weapons or suicide belt bombs.


14 posted on 09/06/2004 5:16:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: risk
.. sacrificial lamb. Hardly, more like Wolverine Woman Striking!
15 posted on 09/06/2004 5:16:41 AM PDT by SubMareener
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To: SubMareener

I was thinking along the same lines. She seems to know how to conserve her power for a cobra strike.


16 posted on 09/06/2004 5:18:16 AM PDT by risk
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To: Timeout
It appears to me that, after the Malkin ambush, Rove and company decided it was time to smash the media's biased concept of conservatives. I believe the talking points must have gone out...don't take it anymore.

Long overdue - and not a moment to lose. This message also goes for the average conservative conversationalist at the watercooler. You will never get points for conceding anything you believe to a liberal. Liberals are intellectually dishonest - and have a brazenly overt attitude of "Whatever we do or say is justified - because our cause is just, and anything goes to get enough power to cram it down people's throats."

When you finally rise to their numerous glove slaps - and tell it like it is - you have the advantage. Because their positions are based on demonstrable lies and wilfull ignorance of truths unhelpful to their manifesto. It is cathartic to say to a liberal - "The fact that you and the MSM choose to ignore XYZ does not mean it didn't happen. And just because the MSM says something is true or false - does not mean it is. I do not accept your versions of events nor your spin - we stand or fall on the facts...and so will you, Kerry and the house of cheating cards your cause is based on."

Be prepared for a lot of screaming on their part, though. Because like spoiled brats - they seek to defeat all reason by going nuclear.

17 posted on 09/06/2004 5:18:20 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (Hate is a DNC Family Value)
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To: Timeout

And here, I put in a good word
for Speaker Denny Hastert. People,
do not discount him. I watched a
few of his recent interviews. This
man doesn't let the Lefty Media
get away with their trash. Yet he
does not sink to their level. He
reminds me of a burly, tough-as-
nails, TEDDY BEAR!

LOL...


18 posted on 09/06/2004 5:18:45 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Timeout

Good morning! I didn't see the show you're talking about, but what I did see this morning on C-SPAN-book was a panel of lefty journalists and their fabricated books. This panel got together on Thursday at NYU and it was a Bush bashing tirade with a standing ovation (at the end). I could only take about 5 minutes. They plugged their website NewDemocracyProject.org. (a/k/a bring Bush down no matter what). Conservative journalists MUST be aggressive in uncovering the nuances and falsity in the libs statements. As you know, it isn't easy. The pundits are in overdrive, it's plain to see. I mean they're still talking about Bush's National Guard records. What are we to do? Keep working, working hard to get to the truth of the matter. In particular, why isn't the press demanding that John Kerry release ALL of his military records? As someone suggested yesterday, write letters to your local newspaper, and politicians demanding the release of Kerry's records. This is no time to enjoy the bounce, but to work even harder to keep W in the White House for the sake of our entire nation. John Kerry is a creep, we all know it. God Bless W and our Troops!


19 posted on 09/06/2004 5:21:43 AM PDT by Raquel (Don't buy the New York Times -- they lie and cheat)
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To: The Great Yazoo
Isn't it ironic that MSNBC is using the Matthews-Miller interview as a PROMO on NBC? If Matthews only knew how wretched he looked and sounded that night. Maybe he thinks it's funny. Maybe it's a shotgun tactic to improve ratings. Whatever is in the mind of Matthews and Rick Kaplan, the entire exercise will backfire. Laura Ingraham said as much on her radio program Friday morning.
20 posted on 09/06/2004 5:22:07 AM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (Swift Boat Veterans for TRUTH...www.swiftvets.com...Donate now!)
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To: Timeout
I still think it's a deliberate counter-assault. It was too pervasive and simultaneous to be a simple coincidence.



I saw Karl Rove in an interview with Jim Lehrer/Mark Shield/David Brooks where he nicely but firm deflated Mark Shield to absolutely being "Flat"!!!
21 posted on 09/06/2004 5:22:40 AM PDT by danamco
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To: txrangerette

Denny Hastert reminds me of Mike Ditka.


22 posted on 09/06/2004 5:23:03 AM PDT by Timeout (My name is Timeout....and I'm a blogaholic)
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To: Bahbah
I found this practice common in department meetings when I first came to the university---colleagues would throw in "quips" during (supposedly) business discussions. I would immediately hit back with an anti-lib slam, and soon the quips stopped.

It's funny, though: even now when people agree with my points, they usually preface their statements with "I don't usually agree with LS, but . . ." so as to insulate themselves from their colleagues' comments.

23 posted on 09/06/2004 5:23:09 AM PDT by LS
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To: Timeout
I believe the talking points must have gone out...don't take it anymore.

From your lips to the GOP's ears.
I hope so, anyway.
24 posted on 09/06/2004 5:24:39 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan (We childproofed our home, but they are still getting in)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
The truth and 650 thousand trumps lies and 65 million dollars. The socialists can't understand why this can happen. Their entire problem solving consists at throwing money at the problem and when it doesn't help throw more money at it.

Not only that. The left believes that reality can be manufactured and jammed down peoples throats using money. This is what they believe happens with advertising. They believe that advertising tricks people into buying things they do not need or really even want by "slick marketing and packaging" (if you recall they used this phrase when describing Reagan's 1984 campaign).

They really believe this. They believe that advertising manufactures demand out of thin air. They never heard, or don't believe, the old saying "if your product is no good, all the advertising in the world won't get people to buy it."

(steely)

25 posted on 09/06/2004 5:24:57 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Timeout; HuntsvilleTxVeteran
An old complaint about conservatives is that they do not fight as dirty as the DemocRats. Conservatives would rather let facts speak and avoid guttural mudslinging. The problem, of course, is that unless one is teflon, mud sticks and elections are lost. When 9/11 occurred many of us resolved that enough was enough. Conservatives in particular and Republicans in general knew that the nation could no longer tolerate surrender to liberal tactics. We had to get in their faces when they used smears and lies to hide the truth about contemporary blame-America-first liberalism.

That is one part of what we are witnessing now in this campaign. Persons of principle (conservatives) are not sitting still for liberal deceptions. They are shouting back, shoving facts up for scrutiny rather than politely trying to let them speak for themselves.

Part two is that the truth indeed does trump $60 million hate campaigns. But something else plays an important part in this, and that is New Media. Talk radio, cable news, and the blogospheric Internet are letting the truth shine as never before. The facts are more readily available to many more people. Many more people are offering support to those in the arena with ruthless libs who have spewed lies for so long they no longer know what the truth is (a particularly pathological example of this is John Kerry himself).

And then there is Karl Rove. If one took Evil Incarnate James Carville and stripped EIJC of evil, added scruples and consistency, one would approach the intelligent resolution of Karl Rove.

It is an exciting time.

26 posted on 09/06/2004 5:25:46 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: Timeout

It's time to do EVERYTHING humanly possible to break the back of the corrupt, socialist, "mainstream" media. These Marxist Socialist front groups have got to be stopped.

Here is what I propose:

1. Get lists of their advertisers and complain about the media Bush hate, manipulation, and deceit campaign.
2. Distribute the contact information for various advertiseers so that all FREEPERS can begin to complain.
3. Use the language of the lefty loonies against them. Note that the media is using hate, manipulation, and deceit against the president and their advertisements are supporting it.
4. Start sending complaints to the Boards of Directors at the parent holding companies. (you can find them here http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/srch-edgar )
5. Start finding other boards that many of the media directors sit on and beging a campaign to THOSE companies of that board member's support of the hate, manipulation, and deception against he president.

If we get on the stick with this, and are persistent, the "old media" can finally be crushed within the months leading up to the campaign. If anyone thinks for 2 seconds that this media is not going to pull out all the stops to ratchet up the anti-Bush hate and deception campaign coming up to this election, you've got another thing coming.

Bill


27 posted on 09/06/2004 5:25:48 AM PDT by woodb01 (Stop the media hate, manipulation, and deception)
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To: Timeout

Hey, who the hell did Franken get into it with? Remember the picture of him standing, pointing his little finger at supposedly some radio producer? What show was the producer from? Any other details?


28 posted on 09/06/2004 5:27:43 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: guitfiddlist

I believe the following quote will perfectly describes the left.


"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke


29 posted on 09/06/2004 5:27:46 AM PDT by JoeV1 (The Democrats-The unlawful and corrupt leading the uneducated and blind)
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To: woodb01

Bump. Excellent post!


30 posted on 09/06/2004 5:28:08 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: Timeout
This is new to me. Did anyone else notice it?

I missed Laura Ingraham, but I saw Zell go after Chrissy. If your hypothesis is true, all I can say is, it's about frickin' time!

The conservatives have always come across as a bit too timid to me. Always better to play offense, rather than defense.

31 posted on 09/06/2004 5:28:34 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Use It Or Lose It

When you read the transcript of the interview it's easy to see why Zell was mad. Matthews asked questions with implied answers and never gave Miller a chance at rebuttal.
Isn't that a breach of interview etiquette?
Why is Matthews/MSNBC proud of this?

"Maybe it's a shotgun tactic to improve ratings."
A shotgun tactic aimed at their own foot?


32 posted on 09/06/2004 5:28:38 AM PDT by Ludicrous
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To: danamco

A perfect examle was Karl Rove's interview where he said he thought Kerry's anti-war activities were fair game in the campaign. MediaCrats had to reach for the smelling salts on that one. They thought their politically correct demands for demureness would preclude any such declarations from conservatives...especially a high level Bush official! Republicans are supposed to shy away from controversy!

Rove sliced and diced any confidence they still had in their ability to control the message. It was beautiful to see.


33 posted on 09/06/2004 5:29:08 AM PDT by Timeout (My name is Timeout....and I'm a blogaholic)
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To: Timeout
Yes but will they keep it up?

There will be no shortage of opportunities in the upcoming days.

The leftists in the MSM need to be put on notice.

Their time is over.

This election is their last battlefield.

34 posted on 09/06/2004 5:29:52 AM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: muawiyah

I am so glad that I am not a liberal.


35 posted on 09/06/2004 5:29:58 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: Timeout
Matthews needs to have his face rearranged.
36 posted on 09/06/2004 5:30:08 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: Timeout

They had better get tough. Kerry is bringing in every dirt thrower he can to save his failing campaign.


37 posted on 09/06/2004 5:32:20 AM PDT by surrey
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To: LS

Nice description. I've had some experience with faculty meetings myself. The assumption is always that we all agree so it is safe to make such remarks. Nice to know your are out there on the front lines.


38 posted on 09/06/2004 5:33:02 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: txrangerette

The swipe GWB took at the New York Times was long overdue. Until the Republicans hit the media, full force, it will be the same old bias. I had great hopes for FOX. We need more anchors like Brit Hume. It's time we began making our voices heard. Continuous emails until Fox can NOT ignore us any longer. We must keep Zell's speech alive.

I was sicken to see JC Watts, and many Republicans tip toe over the media bias issue. I ask you, what do we have to lose? What are we afraid of?


39 posted on 09/06/2004 5:33:07 AM PDT by sarasotarepublican
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To: txrangerette
I saw a news program last night hosted by Sam Donaldson, featuring Maureen Dowd, and Chris Matthews. They were falling all over each other talking about the brilliance of the Republican Convention. (I almost fell off the couch!)

They looked like whipped puppies... they certainly were not a happy bunch.

40 posted on 09/06/2004 5:33:10 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier!)
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To: Timeout
Aside from the Malkin episode the media treatment of Bush vs. Kerry on the military is becoming a national joke/outrage.

The media will be throwing all sorts of garbage on Bush in the next 2 months, and it will be interesting to see if the people see these media attacks as further reason to rally TO Bush. Bush and Rove could subtly ridicule the media as Kerry's running mate to drag them down with Kerry's reputation. The media will have some hard choices ahead if the numbers hold and this is really a Bush country. They, like the French will have a choice between ideological purity and public support ($$).

41 posted on 09/06/2004 5:34:54 AM PDT by Monti Cello
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Somewhere on this forum, I read a comment that said the magic phrase is "What [name the candidate] needs to do to win." That phrase indicates that the candidate in question is in deep doo-doo. I heard Juan Williams say it over the weekend in reference to Kerry. He said, plain and day, "What Kerry needs to do to win..."

Whatever the message strategy is, it's working. I have noticed that the conservatives have been more pointed. They must have somebody really good providing the talking points or they're practicing mock debates. The message is finally getting out and there's blood in the water.


42 posted on 09/06/2004 5:35:25 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Timeout
It happened time and again last week...conservatives refusing to move on until the host retracted some implication that the GOP is mean, heartless, racist, etc. This is new to me. Did anyone else notice it?

No, I haven't -- but I'd pay 50 cents to see Laura jump ugly on Gergen. He was such a go-along guy I scarcely counted him a Pubbie, which he once was.

They have to be careful about it, though. The LameStream Effluvia will retaliate with editing. They'll pretend to be interviewing live but go to tape before they put it out, and edit their subjects, and plead constraints of time afterward. You watch. They'll go to canned and snipped stuff.

43 posted on 09/06/2004 5:35:39 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Northern Yankee
John Kerry’s position on capital punishment, in his interview on Meet the Press in December, 2002.

"SEN. KERRY: I think, Tim, as people get to know me in the course of this, they’ll know the things that I have fought for and the things I stand for. I was a prosecutor. I’ve sent people to jail for the rest of their life. I’m opposed to the death penalty in the criminal justice system because I think it’s applied unfairly, as even Republican governors have determined, and because I’m for a worse punishment.

I think it is worse to take somebody and put them in a small cell for the rest of their life, deprived of their freedom, never to be paroled. Now, I think that’s tougher. Let me just finish.

MR. RUSSERT: But, Senator, why shouldn’t Timothy McVeigh, who blew up the Oklahoma building, or if John Muhammad is convicted of being a sniper here in Washington—why shouldn’t they receive the death penalty?

SEN. KERRY: Tim, I think that, as I said, you know, different people have different opinions about what’s worse. I’ve seen people die and I know what it’s like to almost die. I don’t think that—you know, dying is scary for a while, but in the end, the punishment is gone. When you’re alive and you’re deprived of your freedom each day and you’re in tough circumstances—and I’m talking about tough circumstances. I’m not talking about some cushy situation where they live off the fat of the land in prison.. I’m talking about tough. But if you’re deprived of that freedom for the rest of your living days until God decides to take you, you know, that is tough, my friend, and I think that plenty of people think that.

LOL!!!!

This mental case had better hope they start giving tours of the White House again, because thats the closest to the Oval Office he is ever going to get.

44 posted on 09/06/2004 5:36:06 AM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: Raquel
I saw part of that as well.

When one woman read a poem on fear, and talked about how the Bush Administration was using it as a weapon against its people, I was through with this bunch of creeps.

They just don't have any recollection of 9/11.

45 posted on 09/06/2004 5:36:12 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

 

 

THE FACTS ABOUT SENATOR JOHN KERRY (D-MA)

KERRY: DUKAKIS'S LT. GOV. WHO VOTES
LOCKSTEP WITH TED KENNEDY

On Key Votes, Kerry Voted 100% Of The Time With Senator Kennedy In 2001, 1999, 1998, 1993, 1992, 1989, 1988, 1987, 1986, and 1985. Over the course of his Senate career, Kerry has sided with Senator Kennedy 94% of the time for key votes.

As Michael Dukakis' Lt. Governor From 1983-1985, Kerry Supported Granting Prison Furloughs To Hundreds Of Massachusetts Inmates. Later as a U.S. Senator in 1988, he defended the program: "The furlough program in Massachusetts is tougher than the federal program." (John King, "Bush Surrogate Gets Ambushed In Dukakis Territory," The Associated Press, July 6, 1988)

KERRY CLAIMS HE'S FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, BUT VOTES FOR HIGHER TAXES, AND AGAINST TAX CUTS

Kerry Has Voted Against A Balanced Budget Amendment At Least Five Times. Other fiscally irresponsible votes include at least three key votes against lowering overall spending.

Kerry Voted Against President Bush's Tax Cuts, At Least The Tenth Key Anti-Tax Relief Vote Of His Senate Career.

Kerry Voted For The Biggest Tax Increase In American History Under President Clinton.

Kerry Has A Lifetime Rating Of 26% From Citizens Against Government Waste And Is A Long-Time Supporter Of Federal Funding For Boston's "Big Dig." Former Senate Government Affairs Chairman John McCain called the project "the biggest, most costly public works project in U.S. history." The "Big Dig" was estimated to cost $2.6 billion when it was approved in 1985. The cost to date has totaled more than $13.6 billion. ("Congressional Ratings," Citizens Against Government Waste Website, www.cagw.org, Accessed January 7, 2003; Natalie M. Henry, "Senate Commerce Investigates Overspending On Boston's €˜Big Dig,'" Environment And Energy Daily, May 3, 2000)

KERRY IS EXTREME ON ABORTION, SUPPORTING FEDERAL FUNDING AND PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS

Kerry Voted At Least Three Times Against Banning Partial-Birth Abortions.

Kerry Voted To Allow Federal Funding Of Abortions And To Provide Abortion Counseling In Federally-Funded Clinics.

KERRY IN DEPTH

KERRY: DUKAKIS'S LT. GOV. WHO VOTES
LOCKSTEP WITH TED KENNEDY

On Key Votes, Kerry Voted 100% Of The Time With Senator Kennedy In 2001, 1999, 1998, 1993, 1992, 1989, 1988, 1987, 1986, and 1985. Over the course of his Senate career, Kerry has sided with Senator Kennedy 94% of the time for key votes. (Roll Call Key Votes, http://oncongress.cq.com, December 2001)

Kerry's Lifetime Vote Rating From Americans For Democratic Action Is Five Points Higher Than That Of Fellow Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy. While Kennedy only rates an 88 lifetime average, Kerry has a lifetime average of 93. (Americans For Democratic Action Website, www.adaction.org, Accessed December 9, 2002)

Kerry And Kennedy Had Exactly The Same Low Rating From The American Conservative Union In Both 2001 (4%) And 2000 (12%). Kerry's lifetime rating from the ACU is 5%. (American Conservation Union Website, www.acuratings.org, Accessed December 9, 2002)

Kerry Is Against The Death Penalty. "I'm opposed to the death penalty in the criminal justice system because I think it's applied unfairly . . . ." (NBC's "Meet The Press," December 1, 2002)

Kerry Is An Extreme Environmentalist Who Voted With The Activist Group, The League Of Conservation Voters, An Average Of 95% Of The Time In The Last Three Congresses. (League Of Conservation Voters Website, www.lcv.org, Accessed December 9, 2002)

Kerry Has Voted For At Least Seven Major Reductions In Defense And Military Spending Necessary For Our National Security. (S. 1438, Roll Call Vote #286: Motion agreed to 53-47: R 21-28; D 31-19, September 25, 2001; S. 1087, Roll Call Vote #397: Passed 62-35: R 48-4; D 14-31, September 5, 1995; S. 1298, Roll Call Vote #251: Adopted 50-48: R 6-36; D 44-12, September 9, 1993; S. 3114, Roll Call Vote #182: Motion Rejected 43-49: R 34-5; D 9-44, August 7, 1992; S. 2399, Roll Call Vote #56: Motion rejected 50-48: R 3-40; D 47-8, March 26, 1992; H.R. 2707, Roll Call Vote #182: Motion Rejected 28-69 R 3-39; D 25-30, September 10, 1991; S. 1352, Roll Call Vote #148: Motion agreed to 50-47: R 37-6; D 13-41, June 27, 1989)

As Michael Dukakis' Lt. Governor From 1983-1985, Kerry Supported Granting Prison Furloughs To Hundreds Of Massachusetts Inmates. Later as a U.S. Senator in 1988, he defended the program: "The furlough program in Massachusetts is tougher than the federal program." (John King, "Bush Surrogate Gets Ambushed In Dukakis Territory," The Associated Press, July 6, 1988)

KERRY CLAIMS HE'S FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, BUT HAS A HISTORY OF VOTING FOR HIGHER TAXES AND AGAINST TAX CUTS

Kerry Called For "Fiscal Responsibility," Just Like When He Voted For The 1993 Tax Hike, The Largest In History. "All the Democrats have generally resisted the GOP proposal to make the tax cuts permanent. . . . Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry called for a return to the fiscal responsibility we gave this country in 1993 when we passed the Deficit Reduction Act.'" (Will Lester, "Top Democrats Complain About Bush Economic Plans, But Some Steer Away From Tax Debate," The Associated Press, October 15, 2002)

In His Senate Career, Kerry Has Voted Against A Balanced Budget Amendment At Least Five Times. Other fiscally irresponsible votes include at least three key votes against lowering overall spending. (S.J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #24: Rejected 66-34: R 55-0; D 11-34, March 4, 1997; H.J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #158: Rejected 64-35: R 52-1; D 12-34, June 6, 1996; H.J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #98: Rejected 65-35: R 51-2; D 14-33, March 2, 1995; S.J. Res. 41, Roll Call Vote #48: Rejected 63-37: R 41-3; D 22-34, March 1, 1994; S.J. Res. 225, Roll Call Vote #45: Rejected 66-34: R 43-10; D 23-24, March 25, 1986)

Kerry Has A Lifetime Rating Of 26% From Citizens Against Government Waste And Is A Long-Time Supporter Of Federal Funding For Boston's "Big Dig." Former Senate Government Affairs Chairman John McCain called the project "the biggest, most costly public works project in U.S. history." The "Big Dig" was estimated to cost $2.6 billion when it was approved in 1985. The cost to date has totaled more than $13.6 billion. ("Congressional Ratings," Citizens Against Government Waste Website, www.cagw.org, Accessed January 7, 2003; Natalie M. Henry, "Senate Commerce Investigates Overspending On Boston's €˜Big Dig'," Environment and Energy Daily, May 3, 2000)

Kerry Voted Against President Bush's Tax Cuts, At Least The Tenth Major Anti-Tax Relief Vote Of His Senate Career. (H.R. 1836, Roll Call Vote #165: Adopted 62-38: R 50-0; D 12-38, May 23, 2001; H. Con. Res. 83, Roll Call Vote #69: Adopted 53-47: R 4-46; D 49-1, April 4, 2001; S. 1429, Roll Call Vote #247: Passed 57-43: R 52-2; D 4-41; I 1-0, July 30, 1999; H.R. 2646, Roll Call Vote #169: Adopted 59-36: R 51-2; D 8-34, June 24, 1998; H.R. 2646, Roll Call Vote #288: Rejected 56-41: R 54-1; D 2-40, October 30, 1997; H. Con. Res. 84, Roll Call Vote #92: Adopted 78-22: R 41-14; D 37-8, May 23, 1997; S. 1028, Roll Call Vote #72: Adopted 52-46: R 5-46; D 47-0, April 18, 1996; H.R. 2264, Roll Call Vote #190: Passed 50-49: R 0-43; D 49-6, June 25, 1993; H. Con. Res. 64, Roll Call Vote #83: Adopted 54-45: R 0-43; D 54-2, March 25, 1993; H.R. 3628, Roll Call Vote #298: Rejected 51-47 (needed 2/3 majority): R 45-0; D 6-47, November 15, 1989)

In September 2001, Kerry Said We Should Not Raise Taxes In An Economic Downturn.  "The first priority is the economy of our nation. And when you have a downturn in the economy, the last thing you do is raise taxes or cut spending. We shouldn't do either. We need to maintain a course that hopefully will stimulate the economy. . . . No, we should not raise taxes, but we have to put everything on the table to take a look at why we have this structural problem today. . . . you don't want to raise taxes." (NBC's "Meet The Press," September 2, 2001)

's "Crossfire," April 16, 2002) 's "Meet The Press," December 1, 2002)

Kerry Voted At Least Five Times To Raid The Social Security Trust Fund. (H.R. 2014, Roll Call Vote #211: Conference Report Agreed To 92-8: R 55-0; D 37-8, July 31, 1997; H.R. 2264, Roll Call Vote #247: Conference Report Agreed To 50-50, With Vice President Gore Voting Yea: R 0-44; D 50-6, August 6, 1993; H.Con.Res. 268, Roll Call Vote #167: Conference Report Agreed To 58-29: R 21-20; D 37-9, June 6, 1988; H.R. 3545, Roll Call Vote #419: Conference Report Agreed To 61-28: R 18-23; D 43-5, December 21, 1987; H.R. 3128, Roll Call Vote #379: Conference Report Agreed To 78-1: R 40-1; D 38-0, December 19, 1985)

KERRY IS EXTREME ON ABORTION, SUPPORTING FEDERAL FUNDING OF ABORTIONS AND PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS

Kerry Voted At Least Three Times Against Banning Partial-Birth Abortions. (H.R. 1833, Roll Call Vote #596: Adopted 54-44: R 45-8; D 9-36, December 7, 1995; H.R. 1833, Roll Call Vote #301: Veto Override Rejected 57-41: R 45-6; D 12-35, September 26, 1996; H.R. 1122, Roll Call Vote #277: Veto Override Rejected 64-36: R 51-4; D 13-32, September 18, 1998)

Kerry Voted To Allow Federal Funding Of Abortions And To Provide Abortion Counseling In Federally-Funded Clinics. (H.R. 2518, Roll Call Vote #290: Rejected 40-59: R 6-38; D 34-21, September 28, 1993; S. 323, Roll Call Vote #254: Passed 73-26: R 20-23; D 53-3, October 1, 1992)

Kerry Has Voted Against Requiring Parental Notification For Minors' Abortions. (H.R. 5257, Roll Call Vote #266: Motion Rejected 48-48: R 8-34; D 40-14, October 12, 1990)

While Kerry Earns A 0% Rating From The National Right To Life Committee, His National Abortion And Reproductive Rights League Rating Is Consistently 100%. (Vote Smart Interest Group Ratings, www.vote-smart.org, Accessed December 6, 2002)

AT ODDS WITH FELLOW DEMOCRATS

On Abortion

Kerry Disagrees With Gephardt On Federal Funding Of Abortions. Kerry voted against a provision to prohibit the use of federal funds for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or threat to the mother's life, but Gephardt voted in favor of the provision. (H.R. 2518, Senate Roll Call Vote #290: Rejected 40-59: R 6-38; D 34-21, September 28, 1993; Amdt. to H.R. 2518, House Roll Call Vote #309: Adopted 256-171: R 157-16; D 99-154, June 30, 1993)

Kerry Disagrees With Gephardt On Banning Partial-Birth Abortions. Kerry has voted three times against banning partial-birth abortion procedures, while Gephardt supports the ban. (H.R. 1833, Roll Call Vote #596: Adopted 54-44: R 45-8; D 9-36, December 7, 1995; H.R. 1833, Roll Call Vote #301: Veto Override Rejected 57-41: R 45-6; D 12-35, September 26, 1996; H.R. 1122, Roll Call Vote #277: Veto Override Rejected 64-36: R 51-4; D 13-32, September 18, 1998; David Kranz, "Abortion Foes Ask Daschle For Vote," [Sioux Falls, SD]Argus Leader, August 28, 2002; Jo Mannies, "Gephardt's Challenger Offers A Clear, And Stark, Choice," St. Louis Post-Dispatch, October 25, 1998)

On Gay Marriage

Kerry Disagrees With Lieberman And Gephardt On Recognition Of Civil Unions. Kerry voted against the "Defense of Marriage Act," while Lieberman and Gephardt voted in favor of it. (H.R. 3396, House Roll Call Vote #316: Passed 342-67: R 224-1; D 118-65, July 12, 1996; H.R. 3396, Senate Roll Call Vote #280: Passed 85-14: R 53-0; D 32-14, September 10, 1996)

On The 1991 Gulf War

Kerry Disagreed With Lieberman On The 1991 Persian Gulf War. Unlike his Senate colleague, Joe Lieberman, Kerry voted against the Persian Gulf War. (S.J. Res. 2, Roll Call Vote #2: Passed 52-47: R 42-2; D 10-45, January 12, 1991)

On Trade Promotion Authority

Kerry Disagrees With Edwards And Gephardt On Trade Promotion Authority. Kerry voted for trade promotion authority, but Edwards and Gephardt voted against it. (H.R. 3009, Senate Roll Call Vote #207: Adopted (thus cleared for the president) 64-34: R 43-5; D 20-29; I 1-0, August 1, 2002; H.R. 3009, House Roll Call Vote #370: Passed 215-212: R 190-27; D 25-183; I 0-2, July 27, 2002)

On Corporate Responsibility

Kerry Disagrees With Gephardt On Shareholders' Rights. In 1995, Kerry voted "to make it harder for shareholders to file suits against chief executives," while Gephardt voted against the legislation and "has supported virtually every effort in recent years to crack down on corporations . . . ." (Jim VandeHei, "Watts Offers Parting Advice To GOP Leaders," The Washington Post, July 15, 2002)

KERRY'S KEY VOTES

107th Congress, 2001 Senate Votes

Against The Bush Tax Cut: Kerry voted against a $1.35 trillion tax cut package to reduce income-tax rates, alleviate the

"marriage penalty" and gradually repeal the estate tax. (H.R. 1836, Roll Call Vote #165: Adopted 62-38: R 50-0; D 12-38, May 23, 2001)

For Reducing Size Of The Tax Cut: Kerry voted to reduce Bush's proposed tax cut ceiling by $448 billion over 10 years. (H. Con. Res. 83, Roll Call Vote #69: Adopted 53-47: R 4-46; D 49-1, April 4, 2001)

Against Ashcroft Nomination: Kerry voted against confirming John Ashcroft to be Attorney General. (Roll Call Vote #8: Confirmed 58-42: R 50-0; D 8-42, February 1, 2001)

106th Congress, 1999-2000 Senate Votes

Against Genetic Privacy: Kerry voted against approving a GOP plan to restrict use of genetic information by health insurers. (Amendment To H.R. 4577, Roll Call Vote #165: Amendment Passed 58-40: R 55-0; D 3-40, June 29, 2000)

For Expanding Hate Crime Protections: Kerry voted to include gender, sexual orientation and disability in federal hate crime protections. (Amendment To S. 2549, Roll Call Vote #136: Amendment Passed 57-42: R 13-41; D 44-1, June 20, 2000)

Against Reducing Taxes: Kerry voted against reducing federal taxes by $792 billion over 10 years. (S. 1429, Roll Call Vote #247: Passed 57-43: R 53-2; D 4-41, July 30, 1999)

105th Congress, 1997-98 Senate Votes

Against Banning Partial-Birth Abortion: Kerry voted against a ban on "partial-birth" abortions. (H.R. 1122, Roll Call Vote #277: Rejected 64-36: R 51-4; D 13-32, September 18, 1998)

Against Banning Cloning: Kerry voted against allowing vote to ban human cloning. (S. 1601, Roll Call Vote #10: Cloture Motion Rejected 42-54: R 42-12; D 0-42, February 11, 1998)

Against Educational Savings Accounts: Kerry voted against allowing a vote to create educational savings accounts. (H.R. 2646, Roll Call Vote #288: Cloture Motion Rejected 56-41: R 54-1; D 2-40, October 30, 1997)

Against Fiscally Responsible Budget: Kerry voted against approving a GOP budget to cut spending and taxes. (H. Con. Res. 84, Roll Call Vote #92: Adopted 78-22: R 41-14; D 37-8, May 23, 1997)

Against Balanced-Budget Amendment: Kerry voted against approving a balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (S.J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #24: Rejected 66-34: R 55-0; D 11-34, March 4, 1997)

104th Congress, 1995-96 Senate Votes

Against Balancing The Budget: Kerry voted against a bipartisan plan to balance the budget in seven years. (S. Con. Res. 57, Roll Call Vote #150: Rejected 46-53: R 22-30; D 24-23, May 23, 1996)

Against Tort Reform: Kerry voted against allowing a vote to approve a cap on punitive damages in product liability cases. (H.R. 956, Roll Call Vote #152: Rejected 47-52: R 45-9; D 2-43, May 4, 1995)

103rd Congress, 1993-94 Senate Votes

Against Spending Reductions: Kerry voted to kill an amendment to reduce budget spending by $94 billion. (H.R. 3759, Roll Call Vote #35: Motion To Table Adopted 65-31: R 23-19; D 42-12, February 9, 1994)

For The Largest Tax Increase In American History: Kerry voted to pass Clinton's budget that raised taxes and cut spending. (H.R. 2264, Roll Call Vote #247: Adopted 51-50: R 0-44; D 50-6, With Vice President Gore Voting "Yea," August 6, 1993)

102nd Congress, 1991-92 Senate Votes

Against Stopping Missile Defense Spending Cuts: Kerry voted against a motion to kill an amendment that proposed deeper cuts in SDI spending. (S. 3114, Roll Call Vote #182: Motion To Table Rejected 43-49: R 34-5; D 9-44, August 7, 1992)

Against School Choice: Kerry voted against approving a school-choice pilot program. (S. 2, Roll Call Vote #5: Rejected 36-57: R 33-6; D 3-51, January 23, 1992)

Against Thomas Nomination: Kerry voted against confirming Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court. (Roll Call Vote #220: Confirmed 52-48: R 41-2; D 11-46, October 15, 1991)

For Defense Spending Reductions: Kerry voted to transfer $3.1 billion to domestic programs from Defense department accounts. (H.R. 2707, Roll Call Vote #182: Motion Rejected 28-69 R 3-39; D 25-30, September 10, 1991)

Against Persian Gulf War: Kerry voted against authorizing the use of force in the Persian Gulf. (S.J. Res. 2, Roll Call Vote #2: Passed 52-47: R 42-2; D 10-45, January 12, 1991)

101st Congress, 1989-90 Senate Votes

Against Flag Burning Amendment: Kerry voted against a constitutional amendment on flag desecration. (S.J. Res. 332, Roll Call Vote #128: Rejected 58-42: R 38-7; D 20-35, June 26, 1990)

Against Parental Notification For Minors' Abortions: Kerry voted to kill an amendment requiring parental notice for minors' abortions. (H.R. 5257, Roll Call Vote #266: Motion To Table Rejected 48-48: R 8-34; D 40-14, October 12, 1990)

Against Considering A Capitol Gains Tax Cut: Kerry voted against allowing a vote on a capital gains tax cut. (H.R. 3628, Roll Call Vote #295: Motion To Table Rejected 51-47 (Needed 2/3 Majority): R 45-0; D 6-47, November 14, 1989)

100th Congress, 1987-88 Senate Votes

Against Death Penalty For Drug-Related Murders: Kerry voted against approving the death penalty for drug-related murders. (S. 2455, Roll Call Vote #175: Passed 65-29: R 37-6; D 28-23, June 10, 1988)

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46 posted on 09/06/2004 5:37:36 AM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: Raquel
BTW... Welcome...

Another daily thread on here you might enjoy is America The Right Way. Wonderful people, and always great news updates in the morning.

Again... welcome!

47 posted on 09/06/2004 5:38:11 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier!)
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To: Monti Cello
Well, let's put it this way: If Bush loses after being savaged by the media, it'll set a new low, and revise the Lamestreamers' idea of "best worst practices".

Spiraling down the ol' drain.


48 posted on 09/06/2004 5:38:11 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: TheGeezer
But something else plays an important part in this, and that is New Media.

That's what I meant in my original post where I said the media was wounded by its refusal to cover the Swifty story. The blogosphere beat their butts on that one...and got their first big taste of what it feels like to WIN. Since then we've seen example after example of blogs forcing Old Media to retract false stories.

And the Old Media still doesn't get it. They don't understand that it was absolute fury over media bias that drove the blog coverage of the Swify charges. The allegations had been around for a long time. But when the Swiftys' ads began---and Old media ignored the story---it ratcheted hatred for the media to such a degree that it exploded in the blogosphere. Old media doesn't still doesn't understand that.

49 posted on 09/06/2004 5:39:47 AM PDT by Timeout (My name is Timeout....and I'm a blogaholic)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Their entire problem solving consists at throwing money at the problem and when it doesn't help throw more money at it.

That is the liberal solution to fixing the schools. We all know how great that works.

50 posted on 09/06/2004 5:40:10 AM PDT by dc27
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