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Massacre in Beslan In the Name of Allah the Merciful and Kind
Women in Green | Jan Willem van der Hoeven

Posted on 09/06/2004 6:56:20 AM PDT by telltaleheart

Massacre in Beslan In the name of Allah the merciful and the kind

Why not call a spade a spade? Why such a childish reluctance among most political commentators to tell it like it is that neither "mercenaries" nor 'international terrorism' was responsible for the dastardly and murderous attack on school girls and boys, and their parents and teachers, in Southern Russia. What united those cruel and cowardly terrorists was that THEY WERE ALL FELLOW MUSLIMS, and for that reason came to one another's aid. Why can't we, or daren't we, say this? It is so absolutely clear, whether in Beslan, or in the horrifying and ongoing genocidal murder of the South Sudanese - many of them Christian - or at the terrifying attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, that it is Muslims who are behind these massacres and responsible for them.

When we look to the Philippines and the massacres suffered there by the poor Philippine, we see that the perpetrators are Muslims. When we look to the massacres in Bali, or Kenya, on the Metro in Madrid which cost 200 Spaniards their lives - again, those responsible for these beastly deed were all Muslims. Not mercenaries, not international terrorists - but Muslims. Not even just extremist Muslims - just Muslims. Until we are prepared to say it in this brutally honest way - there will never be reform in thought, philosophy or practice of what Islam has sanctified from its very inception: war and the sword, which it unashamedly calls "holy war".

Unless there is repentance and a total foreswearing of the sanctification of this gory terrorism and jihad in the name of Allah, (as, today, multitudes of Christians who have foresworn and repented of the bloodshed of their crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Holocaust and other black pages in Church history) - we need to speak out this message loudly and clearly:

That unless ISLAM and ISLAMIC scholars condemn, not only in words but in forceful resolutions, the use of terror and killing as a means to force the nations of the world to submit to the will of Islam, there will be no accommodation with such an ideology. It is them that have to change, not those of us who tell them what we see - ugly terror in the name of ISLAMIC brotherhood designed to bring the whole world into submission to Allah.

Now if some people would object - and sadly there are many such nitwits - that this terror has nothing to do with the ISLAMIC religion as such, but only with some extremist elements in ISLAM, and furthermore that ISLAM itself is a peaceful and tolerant religion, I think we need to be absolutely clear and straight about it - also if we want any chance to win this huge, all encompassing fight. I think we all owe it to the countless men, women and children already brutally and mercilessly massacred, (and this in the name of the, repeatedly called, all merciful Allah) all over the world. So, let us ask some questions here:

Wasn't Yasir Arafat, after all his terrorism, considered a moderate by the stupid, self-deceived western world, when in OSLO he was awarded the Nobel prize of peace? Wasn't the same argument used then that is used today, that he, albeit a Muslim and a master and initiator of terror, was not so much the problem, but that it was his even more dangerous fellows, the Hammas and Hizbollah - "the extremists"!

Wasn't Saddam Hussein, a Muslim who called himself "the most faithful servant of Allah", considered a moderate, so that in the beginning, seen through these rosy spectacles by the West, he received weapons from France (the nuclear reactor!) and even the United States, because the real fanatics then were seen as belonging to camp of Khomeini and Iran? A Khomeini, who at his beginning was described by President Carter as 'a holy man,' and by his spokesmen in the United Nations, Andrew Young, as "a saint," before the eyes of at least some honest people were opened to see that he was more of a devil.

The Chechen Muslim rebels, are they moderate? What about the Bosnian Muslims? Who are the Muslim moderates? Arafat, Khomeini, Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gadaffi, the Saudi government, which has been funding and supporting much Muslim terror all over the world, also because of the strong Wahabi influence in Saudi Arabia? Fifteen of the 19 suicide terrorists involved in the 11 September were Saudi Muslims.

Now, I do believe, that by stating these realities we actually bring this terrifying problem of ISLAMIC terror one step nearer to its solution, because we are willing to put ISLAM on the defensive, so that it knows that its game is up; if they want our acceptance, then Muslims, and not our opinion about them, have to change. And they have to change drastically in order to win our shocked and deeply wounded confidence.

We owe it to the immense suffering just experienced by the Russian children, mothers, fathers and teachers. We owe it to the multitude of others - the Sudanese, Philippines, and Spaniards; the Americans who threw themselves, in pure agony, out of the skyscrapers rather than be burnt alive; we owe it to all those sitting in planes or quietly eating their pizzas in Israeli restaurants; we owe it to those who, from now on, have to live as semi-invalids, crushed and in deep sorrow because they never again will be able - except by divine miracle - to enjoy life with their crippled bodies.

If, therefore, there are Muslims and Muslim leaders who still wish to insist that they are peace-loving and tolerant, and absolutely against these Muslim-perpetrated acts of hate-filled genocide and massacre, then they have a tremendous opportunity to demonstrate this today, by forming a united, Muslim military force from these moderate Muslim countries, and stop the genocide of South Sudanese Christians by the Muslim Sudanese government. Then they can prove to the world that, indeed, there are Muslim nations that are willing to fight against Muslim terror and genocide. Let us wait and see how many, truly moderate, peace-loving, Muslim leaders will come forward for this.

Finally, one would truly hope that, after this terrifying experience of terror which especially these Russian children had to go through, Russia will heed the voice of the international community and no longer play with fire by giving Iran, the very sponsor of such terrorism, the nuclear help and know-how to make its much desired ISLAMIC nuclear bomb, thus threatening the whole region, not just with terror as Iran already does today, but also with genocide; all in the name of its blend of ISLAM.

Let not Russia think for a moment after this massacre that it can play both sides with impunity. It will have to choose - either it is for terror or against it. Russia cannot have it both ways.

Jan Willem van der Hoeven, Director International Christian Zionist Center


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1 posted on 09/06/2004 6:56:21 AM PDT by telltaleheart
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To: telltaleheart
Islamic hate in the Quran:

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Bukhari:V4B52N50“The Prophet said, ‘A single endeavor of fighting in Allah’s Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it.’”

Qur’an 9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an 8:39“So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).

DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE MUSLUM RELIGION IS PEACEFUL, THAT IS HYPE. MUSLUMS WANT TO KILL US, PERIOD!

2 posted on 09/06/2004 6:58:56 AM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: telltaleheart; All
Islam, a Religion of Peace® ? Click this picture:


3 posted on 09/06/2004 6:59:07 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: telltaleheart

These slime who murder innocents should be shown no mercy and wiped from the face of the earth.


4 posted on 09/06/2004 7:00:42 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: telltaleheart
Most of the arab and chechen muslims in the attack on the children were killed.

Now they are good muslims.

5 posted on 09/06/2004 7:01:39 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: telltaleheart

can you give us a direct link to this?

Great article!


6 posted on 09/06/2004 7:03:15 AM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
7 posted on 09/06/2004 7:03:26 AM PDT by SJackson (I wish they had a delete button on LexisNexis, John Kerry (who served in RVN) via Ann Coulter)
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To: telltaleheart

Excellent post!
I think the American people see that it is only the Muslim that is engaged in these acts of terrorism.


8 posted on 09/06/2004 7:07:50 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

2:190-193 "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you ... And slay them wherever ye catch them ... And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression and there prevail justice and faith in God ..."

2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth and ye know not."

2:224 "Then fight in the cause of God and know that God heareth and knoweth all things."

3:157-158 "And if ye are slain or die in the way of God, forgiveness and mercy from God are far better than all they could amass. And if ye die, or are slain, Lo! It is unto God that ye are brought together."

3:169 "Think not of those who are slain in God's way as dead. Nay, they live finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord."

3:195 "... Those who have ... fought or been slain, verily I will blot out from them their iniquities and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath; a reward from the presence of God ..."

4:101 "... For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."

4:74, 75 "Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of God whether he is slain or gets victory, soon shall we give him a reward of great (value). Those who believe fight in the cause of God and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil, so fight ye against the friends of Satan, feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."

4:89 "They but wish that ye should reject faith as they do, and thus be on the same footing as they. But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God. But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them…"

4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at (at home) and receive no hurt and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home).

5:36 "The punishment of those who wage war against God and His apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter."

5:54 "O ye who believe. Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."

8:12-17 "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them. This because they contend against God and his apostle. If any contend against God and his apostle, God is strict in punishment ... O ye who believe. When ye meet the unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day, unless it be a stratagem of war ... he draws on himself the wrath of God and his abode is Hell, an evil refuge (indeed)."

8:59-60 "Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly). They will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know ..."

8:65 "O apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred. If a hundred they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers, for these are a people without understanding."

9:5 "... fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ..."

9:14 "Fight them, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame ..."

9:29 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and his apostle nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

47:4 "Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks, at length when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them) ... but if it had been God's will, he could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself), but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of God, he will never let their deeds be lost."

61:4 "Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The (Final) Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 595:
Narrated 'Aisha:

(the mother of the faithful believers) I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed." The Prophet said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj Mabrur. "

The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." He was then asked, "Which is the next?" He said, "To perform Hajj-Mabrur. "


9 posted on 09/06/2004 7:08:01 AM PDT by RaceBannon (KERRY FLED . . . WHILE GOOD MEN BLED!!)
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To: bitt

I received it in an email this morning from Women in Green (womeningreen.org), to which I subscribe.


10 posted on 09/06/2004 7:08:15 AM PDT by telltaleheart
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To: telltaleheart

I personally wouldn't blame the Russians one bit if they were to use "tactical nukes" in Chechnya.

Lots of 'em!


11 posted on 09/06/2004 7:11:12 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: telltaleheart

Visas for moslems should be cut way back. There should be a policy, similar to that used for communists in the cold war, barring most from this country.


12 posted on 09/06/2004 7:11:50 AM PDT by Tax Government (Promote democracy: help drive the democRat party to extinction.)
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To: telltaleheart

Why should they denounce anything when the mainstream media run to them with their headlines making the killers into merely insurgents and rebels. The media isn't demanding to know when they will reject this massacre.


13 posted on 09/06/2004 7:12:02 AM PDT by tioga (GOP, the Grand Old Party. God Bless George W. Bush. Four More Years!)
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To: telltaleheart

To Russia with Love.


The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist and you can substitute the name of any terrorist group in there and it still applies


14 posted on 09/06/2004 7:12:10 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: telltaleheart

BUMP!


15 posted on 09/06/2004 7:21:58 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: Redbob

Wrong place for the retaliation.... try Mecca, Medina, Riyad .... or even places the MSM prefaces as a "holy city of ___".


16 posted on 09/06/2004 7:29:22 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: telltaleheart

Still not a word from CAIR on Beslan.


17 posted on 09/06/2004 7:30:37 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: thoughtomator
Nope, nothing on the CAIR website. But you can sign their "Not in the Name of Islam" petition which states "Muslims aren't terrorists so stop blaming us!".
18 posted on 09/06/2004 7:37:48 AM PDT by Sender (I didn't leave cookays. I left him cheeese.)
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To: telltaleheart

When will the world excise this cancer on society?


19 posted on 09/06/2004 7:38:19 AM PDT by Joe Bfstplk (We on the right are in the right.)
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To: pointsal
Wait until the middle of Hajj, drop a couple hundred JDAMS on the black rock.

Let Allah the "Merciful" sort them out.

20 posted on 09/06/2004 7:38:41 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dead Corpse

One wonders how the "Dark Ages" ever occurred. It sure looks like we are on the doorstep once again.


21 posted on 09/06/2004 7:49:31 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: Dead Corpse

Better yet, car bomb. Then have Al Quaeda take responsibility.


22 posted on 09/06/2004 7:51:06 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: SJackson

This horror gets worse by the day. In fact, many more are dead than originally reported. Many more were in the school than originally reported. Truly a pivotal moment in the WOT. Nothing but a world-wide effort by every civilized nation will end this scourge. The Islaomfascists rival the Nazis in depravity.


23 posted on 09/06/2004 7:55:09 AM PDT by veronica (http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/ - read the truth about John Kerry!)
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To: telltaleheart

Aaaahhhhhhhhhh, Islam, The Cult of Death™.


24 posted on 09/06/2004 8:01:00 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm ( Veni Vidi Vino Visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Piquaboy
"These slime who murder innocents should be shown no mercy and wiped from the face of the earth."

Just kill them all.

25 posted on 09/06/2004 8:02:08 AM PDT by blam
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To: telltaleheart
Ann Coulter - We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

No truer words were ever spoken.

26 posted on 09/06/2004 8:03:03 AM PDT by TruthFactor
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To: telltaleheart

ping


27 posted on 09/06/2004 8:22:06 AM PDT by boycott
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To: veronica

It may be pivotal in the Russian effort against terrorism, but I'm not sure it makes much difference other than that. It wasn't an American school, you know, yet.


28 posted on 09/06/2004 8:24:42 AM PDT by SJackson (I wish they had a delete button on LexisNexis, John Kerry (who served in RVN) via Ann Coulter)
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To: telltaleheart
To borrow a phrase from another time.........
Tell It Like It Is!

Okay, here goes....

Islam is NOT a religion of peace!

29 posted on 09/06/2004 8:42:13 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: telltaleheart
Now if some people would object - and sadly there are many such nitwits - that this terror has nothing to do with the ISLAMIC religion

As one of these nitwits posted to me, "to go after a major religion goes against all our pringiples". What about the principle of self defense, and the principle of existance. As this article points out, we need to hear loudly and forceably from Islam and its leaders. Common on now. What say you?

30 posted on 09/06/2004 9:00:42 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: telltaleheart

CBC Radio in Canada is now calling these murdering pigs 'zealots'.


31 posted on 09/06/2004 9:03:35 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: telltaleheart

Great article. Lays it right on the line. Time to choose up sides and name the enemy...no more pussyfooting around, no more PC crap. Call them what they are, give them a deadline, if they don't capitulate, kill them.


32 posted on 09/06/2004 9:09:10 AM PDT by hershey
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To: telltaleheart

Mohammad was the original terrorist and the koran is his instruction manual.


33 posted on 09/06/2004 9:50:02 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: telltaleheart

bump


34 posted on 09/06/2004 9:59:26 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: telltaleheart; Viet-Boat-Rider; backhoe; dennisw; SJackson; MeekOneGOP; B4Ranch; TrueBeliever9; ...
Can a cobra snake still be a cobra and not have fangs?

You cannot take the bloodlust out of Islam and still call it Islam.

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FROM THE KORAN ITSELF...
"HEIL HITLER" Now Upgraded to "ALLAH AKBAR?"

You may already know about this one: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]

But did you know that there are 123 verses in the Quran concerning fighting and killing for the cause of Allah? Here are but a few passages:

-Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause.

- Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).

- Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90). "Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193). "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12).

- If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81).

- A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78)

- Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).

- Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).

- A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69).

- A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152).

- Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3).
Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34).

- Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

- Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)

- Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. (Koran 69:30-37)

- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)

- They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33)

- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords. Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55

And Speaking of Paradise...

"There will be "gushing fountains" and everyone "shall recline on jeweled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine." Suras (or chapters) 55 and 56 of the Quran.

"Therein are bashful virgins whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before ... virgins as fair as corals and rubies," sura 55. A few lines later, you might remind them of "virgins chaste and fair ... they shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets."

"The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a.'"

It will be the day, God willing, you spend with the women of paradise...Know that the gardens of paradise are waiting for you in all their beauty, and the women of paradise are waiting, calling out, "Come hither, friend of God."

For much more on "PARADISE... A Better World?" click HERE

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35 posted on 09/06/2004 10:03:20 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Jihad - coming to a school near you.)
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To: SJackson
If, therefore, there are Muslims and Muslim leaders who still wish to insist that they are peace-loving and tolerant, and absolutely against these Muslim-perpetrated acts of hate-filled genocide and massacre, then they have a tremendous opportunity to demonstrate this today, by forming a united, Muslim military force from these moderate Muslim countries, and stop the genocide of South Sudanese Christians by the Muslim Sudanese government. Then they can prove to the world that, indeed, there are Muslim nations that are willing to fight against Muslim terror and genocide. Let us wait and see how many, truly moderate, peace-loving, Muslim leaders will come forward for this.

That's exactly true. Furthermore, I agree that "unless ISLAM and ISLAMIC scholars condemn, not only in words but in forceful resolutions, the use of terror and killing as a means to force the nations of the world to submit to the will of Islam, there will be no accommodation with such an ideology. It is them that have to change, not those of us who tell them what we see - ugly terror in the name of ISLAMIC brotherhood designed to bring the whole world into submission to Allah."

Obviously, there aren't moderate Muslims, or extremists, just Muslims. However, we're too afraid to say it.

36 posted on 09/06/2004 12:36:53 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry's testimony before the Senate was instrumental to America's defeat in the Vietnam War)
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To: Tax Government
"Visas for moslems should be cut way back. There should be a policy, similar to that used for communists in the cold war, barring most from this country."

No visas granted at all! No more! Prohibit any entrance into the United States of America. Prohibit them from flying into the U.S.) (Unless they're returning permanently to where they came from.) No more work permits or student visas. Kick them out of Universities and deport them. Permanently deny any entry into the U.S. And shut down the damn "mosques." Deport all the so called clerics and then start on the ones who have settled here. Harsh isn't it?

37 posted on 09/06/2004 12:47:23 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: SJackson

This massacre willl make it impossible for Russia to pull out of Chechnya. Something they should of in 91.


38 posted on 09/06/2004 2:22:21 PM PDT by Valin (SPITBALLS?)
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To: telltaleheart

"Holocaust and other black pages in Church history"

Uh, um, the Holocaust is not connected to church history or Christianity - the Nazis were mostly pagans who did not believe in God.


39 posted on 09/06/2004 2:28:25 PM PDT by mandingo republican (Baal worshipers I tell ya! They are all Baal worshipers! - FREE HONG KONG, CUBA, IRAN!!!!)
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE MUSLUM RELIGION IS PEACEFUL, THAT IS HYPE. MUSLUMS WANT TO KILL US, PERIOD!

If you really believe that, I'd recomend you NOT vote for President Bush.


40 posted on 09/06/2004 2:38:29 PM PDT by Valin (SPITBALLS?)
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To: telltaleheart
"That unless ISLAM and ISLAMIC scholars condemn, not only in words but in forceful resolutions, the use of terror and killing as a means to force the nations of the world to submit to the will of Islam, there will be no accommodation with such an ideology."

I'm sure that van der Hoeven realizes that what he's asking for is that all moslems repudiate and reject the very core issue of islam!

Nice thought, but FAT CHANCE!

41 posted on 09/06/2004 2:40:06 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: nightdriver

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=22013

Saturday, September 4, 2004
Arab columnist: All the World Terrorists are Muslims

Siege Prompts Self-Criticism in Arab Media
By SUSAN SEVAREID
Associated Press Writer
www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-arabs-russia-school-seizu
re,0,2471259.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines
September 4, 2004, 12:37 PM EDT
...

"Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture,"
Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, wrote in
his daily column published in the Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under
the headline, "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!"

Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist
groups -- in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen -- many of which
are influenced by the ideology of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of
the al-Qaida terror network.

"Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential
buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims," he
wrote. Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless "we admit the
scandalous facts," rather than offer condemnations or justifications.

"The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us."


42 posted on 09/06/2004 5:06:14 PM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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