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Excess Frugality leads to... A Range Mishap (1911 KaBoom)
The Gun Zone ^ | Patrick A. Rogers

Posted on 09/06/2004 10:41:57 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR

A short-sighted Gunsite student is now short a Series 70 Colt

Series 70 Colt's Government Model after firing a .45 ACP round with a fired .40 S&W cartridge lodged in the BarSto barrel.

Besides being an ugly gun (the only saving grace are the Novak sights...) and having something soooo retro - and unsafe - as a trigger shoe, the owner/operator of said Series 70 did - because he was:

  1. Cheap
  2. Stupid
  3. Both of the above

      ...pick up from the deck a live round of ammunition, with which to continue his 350 class at Gunsite.

Unfortunately, while the pistol is .45 ACP, he picked up a .40 caliber round.

The 'Smithy says:

The .40 round apparently fired, and the case was left somewhere in the chamber. He pressed again and got a click. He applied immediate action... the .45 round pushed the .40 case into the chamber. He pressed the trigger. The .45 round pushed the case partially out of the barrel. The .45 projectile remained in the barrel. The .45 case remained in place against the breachface.

The force went down, splitting the Bar-Sto barrel and bending the dust cover.

Deformed dust cover and rent BarSto barrel

I have always said that some people shouldn't have guns (especially lately - the increase in the number of incidents by students - who all have had exposure to guns, training and such - is rising dramatically) or cars, or children, or oxygen.

I do not permit students to bend over on the line unless i give them permission to do so. This has always been a safety issue. Bending down to pick something up means you are loosing situational awareness. I will permit retrieving magazines and such when the line is clear and I give the command.

But picking up ammunition????? How stupid is that?

This guy apparently was upset that his faithful (but ugly) companion of lo so many years was ruined. And for what? Saving a few cents?

FYI: I was not present when this act of frugality occurred.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 1911; 40ina45; bang; banglist; frugality; kaboom; series70colt; situationalawareness
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.40S&W in a .45, definately NOT the guns fault. The bonehead is lucky he still has fingers.
1 posted on 09/06/2004 10:41:59 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: TERMINATTOR

Well, the grips and the trigger shoe look salvageable,
so it's not a total loss.


2 posted on 09/06/2004 10:44:55 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: TERMINATTOR

Very odd 1911 configuration, almost as if somebody had made a newbie a "deal" on this thing when the newbie didn't want to pay Kimber, Les Baer, Ed Brown, etc... prices. I can't imagine anyone who'd had a 1911 that long to not know the difference between a .40 S&W and a .45 ACP cartridge almost instinctively.


3 posted on 09/06/2004 10:46:10 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (W-04!)
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To: Eaker

You OK bud? :)


4 posted on 09/06/2004 10:46:42 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (W-04!)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Besides being an ugly gun

The author looses all credability with this remark.

5 posted on 09/06/2004 10:47:28 AM PDT by 11Bush
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To: TERMINATTOR
Ugly gun? Perhaps AFTER the KaBoom.

The 1911 is the best looking semiauto pistol ever made.

6 posted on 09/06/2004 10:52:21 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: 11Bush

Gunsite is pretty expensive for a newbie...I would rather have an $800 1911 than an $800 class.


7 posted on 09/06/2004 10:54:04 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: TERMINATTOR
oh no...you just had to post this.....

My X in one of her fits (mea culpa)...in a fit of vindictiveness (again mea culpa) made made off with my series 70 Commander sold it for about a tenth of what it was worth...my favorite sidearm (my baby)....disappeared one day..back in the middle 80s....

He had such a great gun...and he ruined it....to take such a trophy and stuff a 40 S&W in it
and at Gunsite of all places...

What a putz....he will never live this down..poor fellow...at least it was only his pride and his pistol...

Cant believe they let him shoot that Colt with all the junk hanging off it....

sniff sniff ....poor ole Colt... Series 70 Commander......sniff sniff
8 posted on 09/06/2004 10:58:54 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: BurbankKarl

Squared trigger guard series 70? Was this a reworked Swenson?


9 posted on 09/06/2004 10:59:18 AM PDT by TFL-Thumper
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To: joesnuffy

I noticed my Xwife was also missing ...several months later


10 posted on 09/06/2004 10:59:55 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: joesnuffy

oops not a commander Govt model....who cares then...


11 posted on 09/06/2004 11:00:56 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: TERMINATTOR

What's a trigger shoe?


12 posted on 09/06/2004 11:01:28 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: BurbankKarl

ahh, check that....a $1200 class? and another $400 for ammo?

That is some ching! Although, somewhere along the way the shooter didnt learn to clear his .45 He can go buy a nice Kimber to help get over losing Old Betsy


13 posted on 09/06/2004 11:01:29 AM PDT by BurbankKarl (.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Once, in the heat of battle (quail hunting with my trusty pumpgun), I swung to a bird and......... click, just click. I couldn't believe it.

Upon inspection, I found that I had chambered a roll of wintergreen lifesavers.

14 posted on 09/06/2004 11:04:36 AM PDT by umgud (speaking strictly as an infidel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: Mr. Mojo

The 1911 is the best looking gun, but this example is not a great one. A tigger shoe? Jeeze. A square trigger guard, a weird 70s style that thankfully has died out. The grips, horrible. The silver highlights on a black gun, tacky. It's a time piece, at best. Well now it has been converted to an object lesson.


15 posted on 09/06/2004 11:05:15 AM PDT by Jack Black (i)
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To: BurbankKarl

Sure he did. He tapped, racked, and banged just like he was taught. Doesn't work so well with a mangled .40 case halfway down the pipe, though.


16 posted on 09/06/2004 11:07:12 AM PDT by TFL-Thumper
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To: BurbankKarl

Gunsite is pretty expensive for a newbie...I would rather have an $800 1911 than an $800 class.



In a gunfight, I'll bet on the guy with $1000 of training and a $100 gun, over the guy with $100 of training and a $1000 gun.

Granted, the only thing worse than no training is no gun.


17 posted on 09/06/2004 11:11:58 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Dog Gone
What's a trigger shoe?

An attachment that is bolted on with small allen screws to make the trigger wider. Good idea on a bullseye type target gun, but not the best idea for a combat pistol.

18 posted on 09/06/2004 11:13:01 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (W-04!)
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To: TFL-Thumper

What is the deal with the square trigger guard? Did someone cannibalize some sort of race gun to make that piece up? That is most certainly not a stock colt frame.


19 posted on 09/06/2004 11:13:32 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (The first rule of gunfighting is to have a gun...more than one, if possible..)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Thank you for the explanation. I'd never seen one before.


20 posted on 09/06/2004 11:15:19 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: umgud

I've found you get a better pattern with Pep-O-Mint. ;-)


21 posted on 09/06/2004 11:15:20 AM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: Jack Black
The 1911 is the best looking gun, but this example is not a great one.

Agreed.

Have you seen the new Colt Series 70 reissue? A very nice piece......


22 posted on 09/06/2004 11:15:21 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Dog Gone

You gotta be an old retro-shooter. I had one on a Smith Model 17 a bazillion years ago.


23 posted on 09/06/2004 11:18:43 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (W-04!)
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To: Armedanddangerous

Squared and checkered trigger guards were a hot item for action shooting in the 70's and early 80's. Such guards were even stock on some Smiths like the 645 auto. the most extreme were on Charlie Kelsey's Devel pistols.


24 posted on 09/06/2004 11:24:13 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (W-04!)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Funny thing. I went shooting yesterday with my .40 Sig and my "1991 A1" Colt. At one point I grabbed a round and tried to put it in the .40 mag. Wouldn't fit. Pulled off my glasses. Oh yeah--a .45 round will not fit in a .40 mag.

So I made the same mistake--backwards.

Good thing--the 1991 is now worth ~$1500 due to custom work.

My eyesight is getting really bad. Both boxes of ammo looked the same in the dim light and a couple rounds had rolled out of the .45 box. Yeah; I should not have had them both on the bench at the same time. My bad.

I shot good with the .45; good with my .22 ruger; AWFUL with the sig. My eyeballs just are now having trouble with the white-dot sights. G**d getting old is rotten.

--Boris, both guns intact; some targets left in range trash can!

25 posted on 09/06/2004 11:33:06 AM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: TERMINATTOR

I got a Romanian AK-47 clone recently, the WASR-10, took it to the range for the first time yesterday. Had a great time.

There were some gangbanger rap video looking jokers there shooting a .357 revolver, having trouble hitting the target (large silhouette - they were excited if they could hit the corner of the paper) at about 15 feet. They saw my AK and wanted to fire it, I said, sure if I can put a few rounds through your .357. Got a nice grouping with his .357

He went on to try to fire my AK, and at first wanted to fire from the HIP. Oh sheesh. No, I said, from the shoulder. He raised it, and had the buttstock about 3 inches in FRONT of his shoulder. No, plant it in your shoulder. Close your left eye. Line up the sights.

I was in the lane nearest the wall (indoor range) and the wall was all he could hit... Doh.


26 posted on 09/06/2004 11:33:51 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State GOP office and volunteer!)
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To: 11Bush

The author's right on the money. That gun is as good-looking as a 1987 Olds Cutlass 4-door, "customized".


27 posted on 09/06/2004 11:35:11 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Squantos; humblegunner; Shooter 2.5

Disco era 1911 ping.


28 posted on 09/06/2004 11:43:43 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (W-04!)
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To: TERMINATTOR

Ugly, yes, but valuable and probably an excellent shooting gun in it's "before" condition. Throwing away the trigger shoe and the chrome parts would have helped a lot, and picking up a round off the ground and putting it in your gun is just stupid, even if it's the RIGHT caliber. Unless you're the one who dropped it, you don't know where it's been or who loaded it.


29 posted on 09/06/2004 11:44:58 AM PDT by ozzymandus ("So it is written, so it shall be danced"-Al Bundy)
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To: TERMINATTOR

What a dumbass..


30 posted on 09/06/2004 11:58:03 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: ozzymandus
"picking up a round off the ground and putting it in your gun is just stupid"

I am a regular open class USPSA shooter. We shoot .38 Super and some related variants loaded to a power factor (bullet weight in grains x velocity in fps/1000) of 165, down from 185 a few years ago, but still hotter than factory .38 Super, so all of our ammunition is hand loaded. People are for ever handing me loaded rounds dropped by other competitors while unloading and showing clear at the end of a stage. I smile and say thanks, then put them in in the squib box. I am not going to blow up a $3500 gun to save a quarter.

DVC

31 posted on 09/06/2004 12:05:50 PM PDT by Comus (Kill them all and take their oil.)
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To: TERMINATTOR

All of you would be experts miss the major error here. The guy had an unusual discharg and did not, since it was not a combat situation, fully inspect the weapon and fired the piece with an obstructed bore. It is amazing how easy it is to load a .40 in a .45 mag. I did it myself on my private range. After the unique discharge, the weapon was cleared and inspected. In my case the extractor pulled the ruptured .40 case out of the chamber and no damage was done to the gun.


32 posted on 09/06/2004 12:34:35 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Mr. Mojo
The 1911 is the best looking semiauto pistol ever made.

Not only that, but best overall package too, excellent delivery (like a freight train hitting a greyhound bus), and for the amount of power it has it doesn't have a problem stopping the way some less powerful pistols do.

The best reason to sing its praises is by results. Official tool of G men and made men for almost a century...

33 posted on 09/06/2004 12:40:42 PM PDT by Schwaeky (We'll put a boot in their a** it's the American way)
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To: umgud
OMG! LOL! What kind of primer do you use with wintergreen Lifesavers?

THAT's why I keep my shells in the nice little loops inside the pockets of my grandfather's Masland duck hunting coat - and NOTHING else goes in those pockets!

Otherwise, something like that probably would have happened to me - I love lifesavers, esp. wintergreen (did you know they make sparks when you bite them?)

34 posted on 09/06/2004 12:45:36 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: umgud

Too funny - thanks for sharing that one.


35 posted on 09/06/2004 12:50:43 PM PDT by lodwick (It's not about right v. left - it's about good v. evil. Believe nothing, until government denies it.)
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To: boris

I once caught myself stuffing a .357 SIG round into a BHP .40 mag. Apparently I'd stuck it in the wrong box while cleaning up, the last time I went shooting.


36 posted on 09/06/2004 12:50:58 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR (Don't blame me - I voted for McClintock!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; humblegunner; Squantos; TexasCowboy; Darksheare; glock rocks; TheMom
You OK bud? :)

LOL!!!

I just bought a conversion kit. Daisy Red Rider to 12 guage. My buddy humblegunner gave me a 000 buck round.

Pix at 11:00!!!!

37 posted on 09/06/2004 1:59:04 PM PDT by Eaker (Deer Camp North Gives a Whole New Meaning to Labor Day Weekend!!!)
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To: TERMINATTOR

Yikes..


38 posted on 09/06/2004 2:10:54 PM PDT by Darksheare (Conquerors of the nice T-shirt!)
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To: Eaker; humblegunner

My coffee doesn't figure into any of this, does it?
*chuckle*


39 posted on 09/06/2004 2:13:53 PM PDT by Darksheare (Conquerors of the nice T-shirt!)
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To: Darksheare

No, it appears that "cutting fluid" is the problem!!!


40 posted on 09/06/2004 2:22:56 PM PDT by Eaker (Deer Camp North Gives a Whole New Meaning to Labor Day Weekend!!!)
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To: Lion Den Dan
All of you would be experts miss the major error here.

You left off the "sarcasm" tag.

If you were not being sarcastic then either stay on your "private range" of sell your guns.

Anybody who does not inspect their ammo before loading it into a weapon is dangerous and should be unarmed.

41 posted on 09/06/2004 2:26:49 PM PDT by Eaker (Deer Camp North Gives a Whole New Meaning to Labor Day Weekend!!!)
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To: Eaker
of = or

Not a dangerous mistake.

42 posted on 09/06/2004 2:28:50 PM PDT by Eaker (Deer Camp North Gives a Whole New Meaning to Labor Day Weekend!!!)
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To: Eaker

LOL!
Reduce cutting fluid to 1/4 normal coffee assistance and see what happens.


43 posted on 09/06/2004 2:31:08 PM PDT by Darksheare (Conquerors of the nice T-shirt!)
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To: TERMINATTOR

I'm just glad the guy's ok. Maybe he'll learn something from this and go on to teach others.

I would also add the practice of not using other's reloads and I don't buy surplus powder.


44 posted on 09/06/2004 2:41:37 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: Darksheare; Eaker
My coffee doesn't figure into any of this, does it?

Actually, your coffee came up in discussion this weekend
at the Deer Camp.. as in "Why is Eaker feeling so energetic?"

I made coffee in the dark and mostly failed.. it had to be re-brewed.

The result was quite the enlivening beverage.

45 posted on 09/06/2004 2:46:09 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner; Eaker

You brewed it twice, didn't you.
*shuddering*
At least the stuff didn't come out of the nug howling and need to be put down.


46 posted on 09/06/2004 2:47:34 PM PDT by Darksheare (Conquerors of the nice T-shirt!)
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To: humblegunner; Eaker

MUG!!
MUG!!
MUUuuuug!

Today isn't my day either.
I'm going to take my typos and hide now.


47 posted on 09/06/2004 2:49:56 PM PDT by Darksheare (Conquerors of the nice T-shirt!)
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To: Comus

Those super-duper .38 Super loads are one reason I don't shoot anybody alse's reloads. I have a Series 70 .38 Super in near-NIB condition, and I love to run a box of factory ammo through it once in a blue moon. The .38 Super was the preferred caliber of the Dillinger gang, on the theory it would penetrate the body armor of the '30's.


48 posted on 09/06/2004 3:10:26 PM PDT by ozzymandus ("So it is written, so it shall be danced"-Al Bundy)
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To: Eaker
Saw the thread and thought Eeeeek don't like 1911's how'd one blow up ?:o)

Stay safe Eeeeek !

49 posted on 09/06/2004 3:12:26 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Darksheare; Eaker; TexasCowboy; Squantos; Tijeras_Slim
Also a must-have for field ops is Eaker's ribeye chili!


50 posted on 09/06/2004 3:14:57 PM PDT by humblegunner
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