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Channel Two Russia/ Novosti Information Agency ^ | 9/6/04 21:23

Posted on 09/06/2004 4:30:54 PM PDT by gopwinsin04

Terrorists who siezed a school in North Ossetia Belsan, September 1 were recieving orders from abroad throughout the three suspense laden days, says Aslanbek Aslakhanov, President Vladimir Putin's adviser for North Caucasian affairs.

'The men had their conversations not within Russia but from other countries. They were led on a leash. Our self styled 'friends' having been working for several decades, I deem, to dismember Russia. They are doing a huge, really titanic job.' (here in Russia)

'It's as clear as daylight that those people are coming up as puppeteers and are financing terror,' he said to the Rossia television company, National Russian Channel 2 tonight.

Though the bandits named certain people they wanted to see as negotiators, and Mr. Aslakhanov was among them, he is sure that the terrorist gang did not mean to talk to whoever they contacted.

Aslanbek Aslakhanov, a Chechen, was on the site throught the tradegy and contacted the gang on the telephone.

'When I spoke Russian with them, I could not make out a word. Speak Russian!' they told me.

'Well, I did as they wished, though I speak Russian with a Caucasian accent, he said in his TV interview.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: achickgavetheorders; beslan; china; chinaviasurrogates; iran; northkorea; ossetia; saudiarabia; syria
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To: Snapple; struwwelpeter
Arrested boyvik names his accomplices (

In the course of interrogation of the terrorist that was seized by the spetsnaz became known some names of several fighters, who participated in the seizure of school in Beslan reports on Monday Gzt.Ru.

At least four of them are the natives of settlement Staryi Engenot of Nozhay-Yurto district of Chechnya. Among them - just one who is alive, 24-yrs oldr of Nur- Pashi Kulayev. Previously the correspondents of the independent portal Ingushetiya.Ru identified him as Kulov.

In this group of fighters was also older brother of Kulayev, 31 yrs old Khan-Pashi, killed on 3 September. Two more terrorists, the residents of Staryi Engenoy, are identified as Arsen Merzhoyev and Mayrbek Shibikhanov.

According tothis article, the Kulayevs used to be in pernal guard of well-known leader of the Chechen fighters Shamil Basayev. Furthermore, the Kulayevs were tightly linked with that arrested last year Rustam Ganiyev, who was preparing smertnitsas for their participation in the acts of terror on the territory of Russia. Two sisters of Ganiyev were destroyed in the theatrical center Nord-Ost at Dubrovka.

Let us recall also that one of the first liquidated terrorists that was identified, was a soldier of Ruslan Gelaev's unit, Anatoliy Khodov nicknamed Abdulla, who was tied to a criminal case about the explosion on 3 February, 2004 in Vladikavkaz. Furthermore, he was one of the figures of criminal case for explosionon on the train No 32 - Moskva-Vladikavkaz, committed on the 15th of May of 2004.

At the same time the newspaper refuted this information about destruction Magomed Yevloyev, who is considered the leader of bandits. Yevloyev's body so far hasn't been found.

According to spme data of Vremya Novosti newspaper among the killed fighters someone is also identified certain Magomed Aushev and certain Umarov. However, this is not the well-known field commander Dokku Umarov, who, according to one theory of special services, organized the attack on the school in Beslan.

According to the sources in siloviki structures of North Ossetia, body of seven fighters are not identifiable. In their number the one smertnitsa, who had blown herself up with her shakhid belt..

Before I went to bed earlier I was watching, coincidentally, the interview with Dokku Umarov on kavkaz. link I can only follow the Russian piecemeal, so if anyone wants to help out by listening/watching and letting me know if there is anthing significant, please do.

141 posted on 09/07/2004 12:43:38 AM PDT by MarMema (Ikcheria is a gateway to hades)
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To: Snapple; struwwelpeter
why is there a photo of construction workers here?

With a story that says, among other things -

"Chechen militants are preparing new daring operations in the North Caucasus", dated August, 2004.

"At the same time, it has been no secret for quite a while that the Chechen Command does have the plans of transferring war operations on the enemy soil."

"War operations in Russia or in any region in the Caucasus may break out unexpectedly, and each person in the North Caucasus and in Russia should take good note of it that he/she is living in a combat zone. The time of serenity is over. When leaving home, everyone should expect to come back to the ruins at best, or at worst, to have to pick up burned remains of his/her family members"

Just wondering if anyone thinks this looks anything like the school in Beslan which supposedly underwent construction this last summer?

142 posted on 09/07/2004 1:10:41 AM PDT by MarMema (Ikcheria is a gateway to hades)
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To: MarMema
North Ossetia is probably destined to become the 'Pankisi Gorge' on the territory of Russia.
143 posted on 09/07/2004 1:16:54 AM PDT by MarMema (Ikcheria is a gateway to hades)
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To: Snapple
Disregard for Human Life (Was Putin referring to the USA as the hostile foreign powers?)

Elsewhere in his prepared address, however, Putin referred to unnamed, hostile foreign powers that "think that Russia, as one of the greatest nuclear powers of the world, is still a threat, and this threat has to be eliminated." Terrorism, Putin said, "is only an instrument to achieve these goals." Since al-Qaida and other Islamist extremists couldn't possibly be threatened by Russia's nuclear arsenal, Putin was apparently referring to the West.
144 posted on 09/07/2004 1:21:17 AM PDT by stlnative (We are going to win one for the Gipper, and they are going to lose one with the Flipper)
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To: brigette

How are Russia's relations with China?

145 posted on 09/07/2004 1:57:21 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Putin refuses talks with "child-killers

MOSCOW (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin has attacked the West for calling on Russia to seek political dialogue with Chechen separatists in the wake of last week's school hostage siege in which at least 335 died -- half of them children.

Putin also ruled out holding a public inquiry into the storming of the Beslan school after a three-day stand-off with rebels who demanded Chechnya's independence.

"Why don't you meet Osama bin Laden, invite him to Brussels or to the White House and engage in talks, ask him what he wants and give it to him so he leaves you in peace?" Putin was quoted as saying by the Guardian newspaper on Tuesday.

146 posted on 09/07/2004 2:06:30 AM PDT by stlnative (We are going to win one for the Gipper, and they are going to lose one with the Flipper)
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To: ET(end tyranny)

Bingo. I can't believe it took 144 posts to mention one of the most likely candidates, China.

These terrorists were Islamo-fascists, who are seeking to creating a wide war in the Caucuses, and Chechen freedom. The most likely state-sponsored supporters of them who would also fit as decades-long allies would be Syria and Iran. But one could also dig deeper and see motivation for China, who has facilitated Iranian weapons buildup and advancement, often through surrogate N. Korea. China has a vested interest in seeing multiple hotspots breakout around the world and destabilazation, creating a climate where they could more easily get away with going after Taiwan. It has been speculated that China has been using surrogate countries to support and nurture terrorism. China also may have eyes on Russian territory, and wouldn't mind seeing its neighbor brought down a few pegs militarily. Hence the 'fear of our nukes' reference.

The US doesn't fit, as we don't support Islamo-fascist terrorists, don't want to stir up Russia right now when we are so dependent on oil, and with their nuke arsenal already with too many security holes we certainly don't want to see a destabalized Russia.

So I say look to militant Islamic countries, then if you want a bigger fish look at their primary partner.

147 posted on 09/07/2004 2:56:44 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat ( "History? I love history! So sequential...")
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To: The_Reader_David

I just hope that in the mad dash 'KGB' won't manufacture some 'proof' pointing perhaps to the Baltics, Ukraine or Eastern Europe.

Remember they hate losing all those....

148 posted on 09/07/2004 3:42:25 AM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer
Hostage Takers in Russia Argued Before Explosion
Chechen Gave Orders by Phone, Investigators Say
By Peter Baker and Susan B. Glasser
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, September 7, 2004; Page A01

NAZRAN, Russia, Sept. 6 -- The guerrillas who took over a school in southern Russia last week argued heatedly with each other over whether to abandon the siege in the moments leading up to the firestorm of explosions and shooting that killed hundreds of children and adults, Russian officials said Monday.

Russian special services had a surveillance tape of the militants fighting about whether to stay or flee just before a bomb they had planted in the school gym went off, prompting Russian commandos to storm the building, a senior Kremlin official said. Investigators were exploring whether the bomb detonated by accident or as a result of the internal dispute.

As more details surfaced about the massacre at School No. 1 in the town of Beslan, a partial picture emerged of the guerrillas and the four men who led them into the school, where investigators say they took orders by phone from a Chechen commander, Shamil Basayev.

The leaders, they said, included a bodyguard of Basayev's and a former police officer who turned against authorities and led a bloody attack in the neighboring republic of Ingushetia last June.

All four leaders were killed in the battle at the school, authorities say.

The Kremlin official, Aslanbek Aslakhanov, said in an interview that more than 20 elite Russian commandos were killed in the day-long battle that began Friday, many of them accidentally shot in the back by civilian vigilantes who rushed to the school to fight for their children. The previously undisclosed death toll, he said, surpasses any in the history of the famed Alpha and Vympel special forces units.

In sorting through the origins of the hostage crisis, Russian officials said they had concluded that the strike against a target outside Chechnya, the scene of nearly 10 years of intermittent fighting, was part of a broader strategy to reignite the entire North Caucasus, a historically volatile region of mixed ethnic and religious groups. While the government has admitted to lying about the scope of the hostage crisis at first, its analysis about the goals and Chechen sponsorship coincides with that of independent specialists.

"The puppet leaders who organized these fierce incursions, they are attempting to destabilize the situation in the North Caucasus and make one people go against another," said Aslakhanov, President Vladimir Putin's top Chechnya adviser. "They are inciting old grudges and unsolved problems."

To bolster their version of events, Russian officials put a Chechen man they identified as a captured guerrilla on state television Monday night to make the first public statement by any of those involved in seizing the school. Visibly injured and having trouble talking, the prisoner described one of the ring leaders giving the orders for the attack.

"We gathered in the forest and the Colonel -- it's his nickname -- and they said we must seize the school in Beslan," said the man, who had short, dark hair and no beard. He said the orders came from Basayev and another Chechen commander, Aslan Maskhadov, and that his group included Arabs and Uzbeks as well as Chechens and people of other nationalities. "When we asked the Colonel why we must do it, he said, 'Because we need to start war in the entire territory of the North Caucasus.' "

Many of the guerrillas who seized the Beslan school in the Russian republic of North Ossetia took part in raids in Ingushetia in June that killed 90 people, investigators said Monday. "They're the same people that attacked Ingushetia," said Musa Apiyev, deputy interior minister in Ingushetia. "They're traveling, they're moving from place to place, exploiting the weak spots in our positions, and they're running from spot to spot committing their dark crimes."

Ingushetia and North Ossetia, located south and west of Chechnya, are dominated by different ethnic groups and fought a brief territorial war in 1992. Relations have remained tense since. In the days after the hostage crisis at the school, many Ossetians have blamed the Ingush and warned of retribution.

"It appears to be a deliberate provocation to reignite the conflict between Ingushetia and North Ossetia, to extend the range of the chaos," said Fiona Hill, a scholar at the Brookings Institution in Washington. "It's very easy to stir up the region if you want to, and somebody wants to. This is a wake-up call. The whole of the Caucasus is going to go up at this rate."

Putin raised the specter of the region breaking apart from Moscow during a meeting with Hill and other visiting Westerners late Monday. "There's a Yugoslavia variant here," he said, according to notes taken by Eileen O'Connor, a participant. "It would be difficult to imagine the consequences for the rest of the world. Bear in mind Russia is a nuclear power."

The four leaders inside the school represented the spectrum of the region's ethnic groups: a Chechen, a Russian, an Ingush and an Ossetian, according to tentative identifications by Russian officials. What remained unclear was the extent of the involvement of Arab fighters, if any. Russian officials initially said 10 of the hostage takers were Arabs, but surviving hostages said in interviews that they saw no Arabs and not one was identified as a leader to outside negotiators.

Russian investigators are checking out reports from an unidentified Western intelligence service suggesting that some of the attackers came from Jordan and Syria, according to a source briefed on the government's investigation who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter. An Islamic group tied to al Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman Zawahiri, has claimed responsibility for the attack.

But some analysts remained skeptical, arguing that the Russians were exaggerating the Arab connection so Putin could claim to be fighting international terrorists rather than domestic nationalists.

"It could be there were advisers from the Middle East, but initiating the plan, executing it, belonged to locals," said Alexei Malashenko, a regional specialist at the Carnegie Moscow Center, a research organization.

Calling the shots, according to Russian investigators, was Basayev, the brutal guerrilla leader who has fought the Russians in two wars over the past 10 years and been designated a terrorist by the United States and United Nations.

Basayev stormed a Russian hospital in 1995 and took more than 1,000 patients and doctors hostage and sponsored the capture of a Moscow theater in 2002 that led to the deaths of 129 civilians.

In apparent retaliation for the attack on the school, Russian authorities rounded up relatives of Basayev and Maskhadov in Chechnya on the second day of the siege. "I think it was to be hostages for hostages," Akhmed Zakayev, a Maskhadov lieutenant, said in an interview. Twenty of Maskhadov's relatives were detained and later released, Zakayev said.

Col. Ilya Shabalkin, a military spokesman, said the family members were held at the main base in Chechnya for their own protection. "We hid them in Khankala for two days to avoid vengeance actions against them," he said.

The 32 guerrillas who seized School No. 1 in Beslan managed to evade detection on the way to the school by traveling along forest roads and picking up at least one and perhaps several police officers along the way who helped get them through checkpoints, investigators said. "Most likely these people were made to do that under threat," said Apiyev, Ingushetia's deputy interior minister.

Investigators are still trying to piece together how the first bomb, which triggered the confrontation, went off. Aslakhanov said one theory was that a guerrilla was confused over the wires and connected the wrong ones. But Aslakhanov also pointed to the internal rift.

"The special services have a recording of a split among the terrorists," he said. "Some wanted to leave and others wanted to stay. The conflict was happening and at that moment this tragic explosion occurred."

The four commanders of the school operation were identified by the code names Abdullah, Fantomas, the Colonel and Magas.

Abdullah, described as an Ossetian named Vladimir Khodoyev, fought alongside Basayev in the past. Fantomas was a Basayev bodyguard who may be Chechen or Russian, officials said. The Colonel appeared to be a Russian who many of the hostages remembered as a regular presence in the gym.

The fourth commander drew the most attention, a man known as Magas, a nickname taken from Ingushetia's capital. Magas emerged this year as head of the Ingush Jamaat, a militant group allied with the Chechen guerrillas, and he led the June raids in his native Ingushetia, killing dozens of police officers and prosecutors. He has defied efforts to hunt him down. Russian authorities twice reported killing him this summer, only to discover they were wrong.

"I know that he's dangerous," said Nurdi Doklayev, a Nazran city investigator who examined the June raids. "All the adjectives -- cruel, bad, angry -- could fit this guy because he's killing people."

Authorities said they first heard the name Magas after an assassination attempt in April against Ingushetia's president, Murat Zyazikov, and began trying to determine who he was. "Until recently, Magas was a big mystery to us," Apiyev said.

At first, authorities thought his real name was Magomed Yevloyev. A man by that name was killed in the town of Malgobek, and the military spokesman, Shabalkin, declared then that he had "no doubt" Magas was dead. But it turned out the dead man was an unrelated murder suspect with the same name.

Then another suspect named Magomed Yevloyev was killed, this time in Galashki, but he, too, proved not to be Magas.

Authorities said Monday that they have now identified Magas as Ali Taziyev, 30, an Ingush police officer who disappeared in 1998. "He is Magas," said Dzhabrail Kostoyev, the region's first deputy interior minister. "For a long time we had him recorded as a loss. And all of a sudden he came to the surface in recent events."

Police raided Taziyev's family home in Nazran on Sunday, bringing in metal detectors and trained dogs to search for weapons for five hours. In an interview at the house Monday, his relatives rejected the idea that Taziyev was Magas and said they believed he was killed years ago. "If he was alive, he would have sent us a letter, something," his brother Aslan said.

The seventh of 10 children, Taziyev disappeared on Oct. 10, 1998, while he was working as a guard for a local official. He and another police officer were escorting the official's wife around a market when the three were kidnapped by Chechens, according to relatives and police. The wife was ransomed late in 1999, the other officer's body was found in 2000 and the still-missing Taziyev was officially declared dead in 2001.

Officials at his old ministry now say they believe he may have already been working with the Chechens at the time of the kidnapping and helped stage it or went over to their side after being taken prisoner. "Either he was interested in money or was under threat of death regularly and later probably he was zombied," Apiyev said.

Taziyev would not be the only police officer to switch sides. Several of the 30 people arrested after the June raids here were members of the local militia, including a captain from internal affairs who allegedly helped the guerrillas get into the region to begin their attack.

Officials said militants increasingly have been recruiting in Ingushetia. "They all gather underground," Girikhan Khazbiyev, a local prosecutor, said. "They live among us. They're here. At the necessary moment, they get together and act."

Glasser reported from Moscow.

149 posted on 09/07/2004 3:50:16 AM PDT by Snapple
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To: Chgogal

I don't know about stuff like that. I teach school and can read Russian. I don't know about spies. I just read the papers and try to figure it all out. I expect the Russians have good capabilities to intercept phones but anyone would help them.

150 posted on 09/07/2004 3:55:18 AM PDT by Snapple
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To: brigette

I don't think he means the West. I think it could mean Ukraine, N. Korea, Syria, etc.

His spokesman said basically that a country that had claimed to be their friend for decades sponsored this.

Likewise I think the Pravda spin is either offbase or mendacious.

If Putin is going to claim "the West" did this then he is clearly off his rocker.I don't think he is. I sure hope not.

Also, it would not be in our interest to start an ethnic war in the Caucuses. Only a very sick person would want that.

151 posted on 09/07/2004 4:03:00 AM PDT by Snapple
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To: brigette
I have to agree with Putin that making such a suggestion was insulting at best. Sounds almost like something a Clinton hack would have said. An AP article here also goes into some details, but no mention of which part of the West is saying this. My guess--EU.
152 posted on 09/07/2004 6:14:30 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: brigette
I take back my comment about the EU. It was Washington.

Putin likened demands by Washington that Moscow negotiate with the separatists in Chechnya -- where rebels are believed to have planned the school siege -- to the U.S. talking to the terrorists behind the September 11, 2001 attacks.


On this one, I agree with Putin.

153 posted on 09/07/2004 6:42:55 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You wrote: "Koreans?"

Not necessarily DPRK Koreans (i.e. NORTH KOREANS):

"Approximately 450,000 ethnic Koreans reside in the former USSR, primarily in the newly independent states of Central Asia. There are also large Korean communities in southern Russia (around Volgograd), the Caucasus, and southern Ukraine. These communities can be traced back to the Koreans who were living in the Russian Far East. In 1937, Stalin deported approximately 200,000 ethnic Koreans to Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, on the official premise that the Koreans might act as spies for Japan. There is also a separate ethnic Korean community in the Russian island of Sakhalin, where Koreans brought in by Japan as labourers were stranded after the island came into Soviet hands after World War II."

I tend to think that these are ethnic Koreans from one of the SSR republics, and have a grudge towards Moscow and ethnic Russians, for whatever reason. It would be interesting to see if they are muslim. FYI, for example, as of January 1, 1998, 1,123,200 ethnic Koreans lived in Uzbekistan, amounting to 4.7% of the total country's population.

154 posted on 09/07/2004 7:22:28 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Kerry Predicted in 1971 "No Bloodbath in Cambodia". TWO MILLION then died: April '75 to January '79)
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To: Snapple
His spokesman said basically that a country that had claimed to be their friend for decades sponsored this.

My current thinking is that he was referring to the Austrian and German press calling for Russian nukes to be put under international control.

155 posted on 09/07/2004 7:39:44 AM PDT by MarMema (Ikcheria is a gateway to hades)
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To: broadsword


156 posted on 09/07/2004 8:49:27 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: Snapple

I don't know if it was referencing a NK or SK. The former is hard to figure.

157 posted on 09/07/2004 8:50:31 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Thanks for that information.

158 posted on 09/07/2004 9:13:05 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo


159 posted on 09/07/2004 10:31:48 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (On this day your Prayers are needed!!!!!!!)
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To: CJ Wolf; Mona Lisa2; The_Reader_David; Snapple
What 'friends' are they talking about? Any ideas?

Almost certainly, they were referring to the Arab world, with whom the USSR had close ties. This could possibly include the Iranians, although the Russians were not close to them until the agreement to build a Nuclear power station.

Nor are they close to the Pakistanis.

Their friends now would still include the Syrians, Lebanese, current Iraqi terrorists, possibly Sudan, Somalia, Eritria, all of who have elements of Al Qaeda operating within them.

160 posted on 09/07/2004 1:00:52 PM PDT by happygrl
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