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Channel Two Russia/ Novosti Information Agency ^ | 9/6/04 21:23

Posted on 09/06/2004 4:30:54 PM PDT by gopwinsin04

Terrorists who siezed a school in North Ossetia Belsan, September 1 were recieving orders from abroad throughout the three suspense laden days, says Aslanbek Aslakhanov, President Vladimir Putin's adviser for North Caucasian affairs.

'The men had their conversations not within Russia but from other countries. They were led on a leash. Our self styled 'friends' having been working for several decades, I deem, to dismember Russia. They are doing a huge, really titanic job.' (here in Russia)

'It's as clear as daylight that those people are coming up as puppeteers and are financing terror,' he said to the Rossia television company, National Russian Channel 2 tonight.

Though the bandits named certain people they wanted to see as negotiators, and Mr. Aslakhanov was among them, he is sure that the terrorist gang did not mean to talk to whoever they contacted.

Aslanbek Aslakhanov, a Chechen, was on the site throught the tradegy and contacted the gang on the telephone.

'When I spoke Russian with them, I could not make out a word. Speak Russian!' they told me.

'Well, I did as they wished, though I speak Russian with a Caucasian accent, he said in his TV interview.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: achickgavetheorders; beslan; china; chinaviasurrogates; iran; northkorea; ossetia; saudiarabia; syria
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To: brigette

I don't think he means the West. I think it could mean Ukraine, N. Korea, Syria, etc.

His spokesman said basically that a country that had claimed to be their friend for decades sponsored this.

Likewise I think the Pravda spin is either offbase or mendacious.

If Putin is going to claim "the West" did this then he is clearly off his rocker.I don't think he is. I sure hope not.

Also, it would not be in our interest to start an ethnic war in the Caucuses. Only a very sick person would want that.

151 posted on 09/07/2004 4:03:00 AM PDT by Snapple
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To: brigette
I have to agree with Putin that making such a suggestion was insulting at best. Sounds almost like something a Clinton hack would have said. An AP article here also goes into some details, but no mention of which part of the West is saying this. My guess--EU.
152 posted on 09/07/2004 6:14:30 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: brigette
I take back my comment about the EU. It was Washington.

Putin likened demands by Washington that Moscow negotiate with the separatists in Chechnya -- where rebels are believed to have planned the school siege -- to the U.S. talking to the terrorists behind the September 11, 2001 attacks.


On this one, I agree with Putin.

153 posted on 09/07/2004 6:42:55 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You wrote: "Koreans?"

Not necessarily DPRK Koreans (i.e. NORTH KOREANS):

"Approximately 450,000 ethnic Koreans reside in the former USSR, primarily in the newly independent states of Central Asia. There are also large Korean communities in southern Russia (around Volgograd), the Caucasus, and southern Ukraine. These communities can be traced back to the Koreans who were living in the Russian Far East. In 1937, Stalin deported approximately 200,000 ethnic Koreans to Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, on the official premise that the Koreans might act as spies for Japan. There is also a separate ethnic Korean community in the Russian island of Sakhalin, where Koreans brought in by Japan as labourers were stranded after the island came into Soviet hands after World War II."

I tend to think that these are ethnic Koreans from one of the SSR republics, and have a grudge towards Moscow and ethnic Russians, for whatever reason. It would be interesting to see if they are muslim. FYI, for example, as of January 1, 1998, 1,123,200 ethnic Koreans lived in Uzbekistan, amounting to 4.7% of the total country's population.

154 posted on 09/07/2004 7:22:28 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Kerry Predicted in 1971 "No Bloodbath in Cambodia". TWO MILLION then died: April '75 to January '79)
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To: Snapple
His spokesman said basically that a country that had claimed to be their friend for decades sponsored this.

My current thinking is that he was referring to the Austrian and German press calling for Russian nukes to be put under international control.

155 posted on 09/07/2004 7:39:44 AM PDT by MarMema (Ikcheria is a gateway to hades)
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To: broadsword


156 posted on 09/07/2004 8:49:27 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: Snapple

I don't know if it was referencing a NK or SK. The former is hard to figure.

157 posted on 09/07/2004 8:50:31 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Thanks for that information.

158 posted on 09/07/2004 9:13:05 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo


159 posted on 09/07/2004 10:31:48 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (On this day your Prayers are needed!!!!!!!)
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To: CJ Wolf; Mona Lisa2; The_Reader_David; Snapple
What 'friends' are they talking about? Any ideas?

Almost certainly, they were referring to the Arab world, with whom the USSR had close ties. This could possibly include the Iranians, although the Russians were not close to them until the agreement to build a Nuclear power station.

Nor are they close to the Pakistanis.

Their friends now would still include the Syrians, Lebanese, current Iraqi terrorists, possibly Sudan, Somalia, Eritria, all of who have elements of Al Qaeda operating within them.

160 posted on 09/07/2004 1:00:52 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: MizSterious

The Russians have killed something like 25% of the Chechens including 40 thousand kids.

Putin wants to blame this on either international terrorism or even possibly a state supporting terrorism.

This may or may not be true. The Russians have done a lot to drive the Chechens over the edge.

One of the head Chechens claims that this outrage was perpetrated by Enguish people--a small Muslim group that was driven out of N. Ossetia some years ago.

The Russians have tried to depict all Chechens who want independence as terrorists. Now when the rage comes home to Roose, Putin is blaming international terrorism so his Chechnya policies aren't blamed. His spokesman (stooge?) claimed there were NO Chechens among the terrorists.

Check this out, esp. the article called "Who Condemns Terrorism."

Speaking in a televised address following the bloody hostage drama in the North Ossetian town of Beslan, President Vladimir Putin said on 4 September that the series of terrorist acts in recent weeks means that Russia faces "total and full-scale war," reported. " What we are dealing with are not isolated acts intended to frighten us, not isolated terrorist attacks. What we are facing is direct intervention of international terror directed against Russia," he said. "This is a challenge not to the president, parliament, or government, but to all of Russia, to all our people." Putin admitted that Russia has inadequate defenses and has failed to adapt to new challenges. "We demonstrated our weakness, and the weak are beaten." Putin didn't mention Chechnya, but said that the attacks on Russia have support from abroad. "Some want to tear off a big chunk of our country and others are helping them. They are helping them in the belief that Russia, as one of the greatest nuclear powers of the world, still poses a threat to them and, therefore, this threat has to be eliminated. Terrorism is their only tool," he said. Finally, Putin said that soon he will prepare "a range of measures designed to strengthen the unity of the country." He also called for the creation of "a new system to better coordinate forces and means for maintaining control in the North Caucasus" and for "more effective crisis management." VY

Earlier on 4 September, President Putin said during a brief visit to the site of the hostage taking in Beslan that North Ossetia was not chosen randomly as a target for terrorist attack, but as the "southern outpost of Russia" in the region, RTR and ORT reported. Addressing North Ossetian officials, Putin said that "one of the tasks pursued by the terrorists was to stoke ethnic hatred, to blow up the whole of our North Caucasus." He added, "Anyone who feels sympathetic toward such provocations will be viewed as accomplices of terrorists and terrorism. Please, keep this in mind." The predominately Christian North Ossetia is surrounded by Russian provinces populated mainly by Muslims. Putin also announced that he ordered the closure of North Ossetia's borders with neighboring republics and with Georgia. VY

Aslanbek Aslakhanov, President Putin's adviser on the North Caucasus who for three days was in Beslan maintaining telephone contact with the hostage takers, said on 6 September that during the siege the militants had satellite-telephone communications with people abroad and received their instructions from there, RTR reported. Aslakhanov, a Chechen whose presence for the talks was demanded by the hostage takers, said: "They weren't Chechens. When I spoke Chechen, they said: 'We don't understand. Talk Russian.' So I did. But they did have a Caucasian accent." Aslakhanov added that the hostage takers were very well trained and had learned lessons from the hostage taking at the Dubrovka Theater in Moscow in October 2002: They came to Beslan with gas masks and two dogs, and the first thing they did was break windows to prevent the use of sleeping gas, he said. VY

As of 6 September, the number of people killed during the initial stages of the Beslan hostage taking and during the shoot-out on 3 September had risen to 335 hostages and troops, plus 30 hostage takers; 411 people remain hospitalized, Russian media reported. More than 100 people are still missing. The death toll in the 2002 Moscow theater hostage taking was 129. Confusion still surrounds the events on 3 September that impelled Russian elite troops to storm the school building. Some eyewitnesses claim that the troops attacked the school after two explosions were heard inside, others say the hostage takers opened fire at Emergency Situations Ministry personnel whom the hostage takers had given permission to remove the bodies of dead hostages from the school yard, while former Ingushetian President Ruslan Aushev told "Novaya gazeta" on 6 September that parents of hostages opened fire on the hostage takers. LF

Russian Deputy Prosecutor-General Sergei Fridinskii said on 3 September that two of the hostage takers, whom he claimed included Arabs as well as Chechens, Ingush, and Ossetians, were captured alive. On 6 September, RTR broadcast footage of a man it identified as the sole surviving hostage taker, Nur-Pasha Kulaev. Kulaev claimed a man known as "Colonel" ordered him and his fellow hostage takers to attack the school in Beslan, and that "they told us this task had been set" by Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov and radical field commander Shamil Basaev. Kulaev apparently did not explain whom he meant by "they." The "Colonel" reportedly said the aim of the hostage taking was to unleash a war across the entire Caucasus. In an interview with RFE/RL's North Caucasus Service on 7 September, Maskhadov's representative Akhmed Zakaev said the confession of the man shown on Russian television was clearly obtained under torture. He said claims of Maskhadov's involvement in the hostage taking, and the allegations that the hostage takers also included Arabs and African mercenaries, are "part of a well-planned disinformation campaign." Zakaev said the hostage taking was carried out by "local radical groups" that are supported by people overwhelmed by the need for personal revenge for the brutalities committed by the Russian Army. LF

The Chechen leadership resolutely condemns the school hostage taking in Beslan, the downing of two Russian passenger aircraft, and the suicide bombing in Moscow, Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov said in a statement posted on 5 September on the website. He reiterated his earlier condemnation of terrorist acts aimed at civilians, stressing that such actions hinder international recognition of Chechnya as an independent state. Maskhadov laid the blame for the Beslan hostage taking on President Putin's Chechnya policy, a policy that, Maskhadov noted, has cost the lives over the past decade of one-quarter of the Chechen population, including some 40,000 children. But Russian brutality, Maskhadov continued, does not justify waging war on women and children, and any Chechens who do so are no better than the Russian troops. In the name of preserving the moral purity of the Chechen people, Maskhadov appealed to Chechens to disassociate themselves from the few who, crazed by the desire for revenge, stoop to acts of terrorism. LF

In the same 6 September interview with RTR, presidential adviser Aslakhanov said that the Federal Security Service's (FSB) elite Vympel and Alfa antiterrorism units suffered their worst losses in a single operation in their 30 years of existence. Twenty officers of the units were killed and more than 20 others were wounded. Aslakhanov, who was a member of the operation staff in Beslan, added that the reason for the high losses was the fact that the storming of the building was not planned and there was no order to storm it. Everything happened spontaneously as two charges planted by the militants inside the building exploded and some of the hostages used the opportunity to escape, and the hostage takers opened fire. Federal forces returned fire to cover the escapees, Aslakhanov said. An unnamed wounded colonel of the Alfa unit told RTR, ORT, and "Komsomolskaya pravda" on 6 September that the first to open fire were Ossetian irregulars, among whom were many fathers of child hostages. At the time of the incident, Alfa officers were not wearing body armor in order to show the militants that they didn't intend to rush the school. During the fighting, Alfa officers were very reserved in using firepower as the hostage takers were using hostages as human shields at all times, the colonel said. VY

161 posted on 09/07/2004 2:55:01 PM PDT by Snapple
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To: Calpernia

Re Ukraine.

The Ukraine has offered to host the kids from Beslan at a really lice children's camp in the Crimea called Artek. This is reported as a gracious offer by the Russian media.

162 posted on 09/07/2004 3:05:35 PM PDT by Snapple
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To: traumer

I think it is very possible that Putin is blaming foreigners to deflect attention from his own failed policies in the area.

Do a search at for "Maskhadov"

He is the head of the Chechens and he say it wasn't them. He condemed the atrocity and said it was done by a few people taking revenge for all that was done to the Chechens by the Russians--kill 25% of the population and 40,000 children.

He told Chechens not to take that low road, but to remain morally pure. It does seem that fighting broke out in the school between terrorists because some were duped into this project and didn't want to murder women and children.

If Putin blames the Chechens/Inguish, people will question his policies because they antagonized the Chechens.

Putin may confabulate Chechens who want independance with real hard-core terrorists who would istablish an Islamic tyrany. Or perhaps the terrorists pretend to be moderates and innocent victims. Some terrorist do that.

163 posted on 09/07/2004 3:16:09 PM PDT by Snapple
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To: gopwinsin04
Didn't the terrorists call the New York Times?
164 posted on 09/07/2004 3:17:03 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: gopwinsin04; walkingdead; Travis McGee

Think of what a coupe for world socialism if Kerry, and the old Communists, could pin this (or at least Russian public perception) on the CIA.

165 posted on 09/07/2004 3:34:22 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: MizSterious

Moscow-based political scientist Andrei Piontkovskii believes the way in which these recent attacks have been conducted does point to a possible new alliance between some of the Chechen separatists and Al-Qaeda. Piontkovskii places much of the blame for this development with Putin himself.

Piontkovskii said that after the 11 September 2001 attacks on the United States, the Russian president claimed Chechen separatist leaders were linked to Al-Qaeda, and used the explanation as a pretext for not opening negotiations. Piontkovskii calls this policy short-sighted and says it may have forced the Chechen resistance to follow precisely that path, after seeing all other avenues to compromise closed.

"We must all understand who our adversary is. What is characteristic about all these latest terror attacks is that no one has presented any demands. And if someone has taken responsibility for these blasts, it is some murky organization belonging to the worldwide network of Islamic terrorism. What is happening before our eyes is that a large part of the Chechen resistance is joining the ranks of this worldwide network of Islamic terrorism and becoming its reservists. And this is the result of our clumsy policies over the past several years in Chechnya," Piontkovskii said.

Piontkovskii's recipe for salvaging the situation and ending the latest wave of terrorism in Russia is to reverse course and open talks with key figures in the Chechen separatist leadership -- to offer them a way out of their corner and to stop playing into the hand of Al-Qaeda.

"On the one hand, [we need] a merciless war against global terrorism and on the other hand, [we need] maximum flexibility and an attempt to forge maximum compromise with that part of the Chechen resistance which distances itself from these acts, which presents demands which may appear unacceptable but which one can discuss. Concretely, I am speaking about holding talks with [Aslan] Maskhadov, [Akhmed] Zakaev, [Ilyas] Akhmadov, and others. This would not be bowing to terrorism, it would be an attempt to isolate this dangerous global Islamic terrorism," Piontkovskii said.

166 posted on 09/07/2004 4:06:32 PM PDT by Snapple
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To: mewzilla

One of the last acts before the curatin fells was written with the blood of these children. Like all victims of evil, they didn't die in vain

167 posted on 09/07/2004 4:23:00 PM PDT by Truth666
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To: FreeReign

this is the thread, but since the Lithuanians took down kavkaz, the links to the pics from there are not working. I should have known.

168 posted on 09/19/2004 9:04:15 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: broadsword
Hey, MarMema, have you seen all these Religion of Terror sympathizers and pseudo-Christian Trojan horses pop up recently on the FR to defend what was done to Russia. I swear, these pukes make me madder than the open terrorists! Now the new cute chic thing is to claim to be Russian in their lame and plausibly-deniable defense of Islam.

I meant to thank you for this post awhile back. Thanks for this post.

169 posted on 09/19/2004 9:09:31 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Sober 4 Today


170 posted on 07/31/2005 5:30:07 PM PDT by MarMema
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