Maori Men And Women From Different Homelands

ABC Science News ^ | 3-27-2003 | Adele Whyte

[Bon mots]

I thought that "Men were from Mars, and Women were from Venus"...

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[Cronos]

I wouldn't say the Melanesians were Negroids. I'm not sure but I think they, as well as the Aborigines of Australia, are cosnidered distinct from Negroids.

[blam]

"I wouldn't say the Melanesians were Negroids. I'm not sure but I think they, as well as the Aborigines of Australia, are cosnidered distinct from Negroids."

I see them defined as Negritos...How that may differ from African Negros, I have no idea. (Negritos seem to pop up in a lot of places though.)

[Cronos]

No idea either, but the term Negrito is new to me. I think Aborigines are quite distinct from Negroids and not quite related to Caucasoids either. But then, looking at the range of Caucasians......

[blam]

Negritos

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[Wonder Warthog]

"...but how does it explain the fact that the language of the Maori is not particulalry related to either Melanesian or Taiwanese languages, but is a virtual clone of Tahahitian and very close to Hawaiian. Maori language is without a doubt Polynesian."

Because language acquisition can be divorced from genetics. Your ancestry may be Irish, but you and your relatives here in the US speak English. You might have cousins born in Mexico who speak Spanish.

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[SunkenCiv]

Story of Human Language, Course No. 1600, Taught by John McWhorter, Manhattan Institute, Ph.D., Stanford University

[nades]

that's not entirely true - I am a NZ Maori - I have seen quite a number of Taiwanese who could easily pass as Polynesian or Maori. In fact if my siblings lived in Taiwan or Hong Kong - very few people could tell any difference in physicality. Yes I have visited Asia quite a bit.

[nades]

as to the language - mutation. Maori languages have changed so dramatically since the advent of the European; that it is now called Book Maori as opposed to tuturu Maori (pre-European maori). As you can imagine - Tuturu Maori can not be taught in schools as each tribe had their own dialect - sure there were commonalities however the language was monosyllabic so meaning increased or decreased according to preceding, proceeding or successive actions. We have a clear indicator through DNA correspondence where we originated and distinct physical likeness is the seal for me. The ancient Taiwanese are approximately 30000 to 40000 years old. That also ties in with Maori and Mori-Ori folklore (of which I am a descendant of both - Toi is the father of Maori and Moriori alike.).

[John Valentine]

I agree that ALL polynesians probably are descendants of a group of people having their origins in what is not Taiwan, the Philippines and Indonesia.

There are linguistic links to early indonesian languages. For example, although the Indonesian word for a coconut is “kelapa” and a coconut tree “pohon kelapa”, there is another word used only poetically for the coconut: “Niur” Coincidence? I doubt it.

As another exercise look at the names of numbers from one to ten, not in Indonesian, which adopted many Arabic words,but at Javanese or Balinese and compare them to the Maori words. No one could deny the linguistic connection.

[John Valentine]

in what is NOW Taiwan, etc....

[Gondring]

yes...This is a PC'd version...

“We think both men and women set off together, and recruited local guides who were probably men. Women stayed with the south-east Asian populations, and Melanesian men were recruited along the way.”

[little jeremiah]

Someone just put a link to this thread - interesting. Narikela is the word of coconut in Sanskrit, nariyal in Hindi.

[PapaBear3625]

The male and female ancestors of today’s Maori people of New Zealand originated from different parts of the world, molecular biologists have said.

A plausible scenario. An all-male raiding party arrives at an island inhabited by a different people, kills off all the males, and takes the women.