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Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers ^ | September 6, 2004 | Scott Swett

Posted on 09/06/2004 8:32:59 PM PDT by Interesting Times

My name is Steve Pitkin, age 20, from Baltimore. I served with the 9th Division from May of '69 until I was airvaced in July of '69. I'll testify about the beating of civilians and enemy personnel, destruction of villages, indiscriminate use of artillery, the general racism and the attitude of the American GI toward the Vietnamese. I will also talk about some of the problems of the GIs toward one another and the hassle with officers.

-- Steve Pitkin, Winter Soldier Investigation, February 1, 1971.


Steve Pitkin never intended to speak at the Winter Soldier Investigation. He agreed to come to Detroit with John Kerry and Scott Camil in January of 1971 mostly to support his fellow veterans, but also to see David Crosby and Graham Nash perform and hopefully meet a few girls. He didn’t really have any place else to go.

Unlike most members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Pitkin had seen combat in Vietnam. He was caught in a mortar attack shortly after arriving in country as a Private First Class, and suffered minor wounds to both legs. During the months that followed his injuries became infected and "jungle rot" set in. He was eventually medivaced to an Army hospital in Okinawa, where the doctors gave him anti-fungals and antibiotics, and managed to save his feet. Specialist Pitkin would leave the Army with a Purple Heart, an honorable discharge, and a lifetime case of hepatitis C from the transfusions.

Back in the States, Pitkin did not receive a hero's welcome. At Travis Air Force Base in California he was showered with feces thrown by anti-war protestors. Later, while he waited in his Class A uniform for a plane at San Francisco International Airport, people stopped to snarl obscenities and occasionally spit. Even a World War II veteran paused to come over and call him a coward. He went back home to Baltimore, but it wasn’t home any more. Steve Pitkin was 19 years old.

"I was in bad shape," Pitkin recalls. "My family was against the war, and so were all my old friends. I had things I wanted to say, but there was nobody to listen. I was angry at our government which should have known better than to let us die in a conflict it had no intention of winning, and I was furious at the American media for making us out to be baby-killers and telling lies about what they saw."

Confused and depressed, Pitkin signed up for classes at Catonsville Community College outside of Baltimore. There he met Scott Camil, who was talking up a new organization he described as a "brotherhood" of Vietnam veterans. Pitkin started going to Vietnam Veterans Against the War meetings at the campus, hoping to find some people he could talk to about his experiences. Pitkin says he "had no inkling" that VVAW leaders were meeting with North Vietnamese and Vietcong representatives, or that the VVAW consistently supported their positions. He thought the VVAW was just an alternative to older organizations such as the VFW, where so many Vietnam vets felt unwelcome.


In January of 1971, Pitkin was invited to go to Detroit for the VVAW's "Winter Soldier Investigation," a national conference intended to convince the public that American troops were routinely committing war crimes in Vietnam. "I was just going to show support for the guys who were already picked out to testify," said Pitkin. "Fighting in the war was terrible enough -– I shot people -- but I never saw any atrocities against civilians. The Vietcong hung up tribal chiefs and disemboweled them in front of their own families –- they did that to their own people. I never saw Americans do anything like that."

The Baltimore contingent met up with other VVAW members in Washington, where they were loaded into rental vans with no back seats. It was freezing cold in Pitkin's van, and Kerry and Camil -– the two former officers -- were in the front where all the heat was, which made for a long drive. Pitkin was unimpressed with the tall, aloof Kerry, who rarely spoke to anyone other than the organization’s leaders, and tagged Kerry with the nickname "Lurch" after the Addams Family TV character. The ragtag group eventually made it to Detroit, got lost for a while, and then spent the night at somebody's house. The conference was held at a Howard Johnson’s motel, in a room Pitkin remembers as having big concrete posts and no windows, with press lights glaring down on the participants. An entourage of VVAW leaders and reporters always surrounded John Kerry, who, Pitkin thought, looked like he was running for President.

Pitkin watched for a day or so while his fellow VVAW members told stories about horrible things they claimed to have done or witnessed in Vietnam. He noticed other people, civilians, going around to the VVAW members and "bombarding them, laying on the guilt," as they told the veterans they had committed unspeakable crimes, but could make amends by testifying against the war.

On the second day of the conference, Pitkin was surrounded by a group of the event's leaders, who said they needed more witnesses and wanted him to speak. Pitkin protested that he didn’t have anything to say. Kerry said, "Surely you had to have seen some of the atrocities." Pitkin insisted that he hadn't, and the group's mood turned menacing. One of the other leaders leaned in and whispered, "It’s a long walk back to Baltimore." Pitkin finally agreed to "testify." The Winter Soldier leaders told Pitkin exactly what they wanted -– stories about rape, brutality, shooting prisoners, and racism. Kerry assured him that "the American people will be grateful for what you have to say."


Many of the vets, particularly the vets participating in this panel, have expressed the fact that they could go on and on for a long time, talking about various instances of brutality, torture, rape, everything that's been talked about here for the last two days. But one thing they felt was very important and which hasn't, in a sense, been done by many of the veterans was to say why this happened. What happens to them that this happens and how these things came about. Steve Pitkin in particular felt the need to try and express something about how these men become animals in a sense. I know several of the other vets on the panel want to mention it very briefly. So Steve why don't you start off?

-- Moderator, Miscellaneous Panel, Winter Soldier Investigation, February 1, 1971 [Note: the moderators for this session were VVAW founder Jan Crumb and Executive Committee member John Kerry]


Pitkin appears several times in the documentary film "Winter Soldier," where he comes across as vague and somewhat stunned, especially while being questioned by John Kerry in a preliminary interview. He seems overwhelmed at having to relive his harrowing experiences in Vietnam. But Steve Pitkin says today that what the film actually shows are his efforts to avoid answering Kerry’s questions at all.

During the formal hearings, Pitkin started to slam the press for misrepresenting what GIs really did in Vietnam, but a woman he believes was Jane Fonda shot him an astonished look and started to stand up. Steve could see other members of the group getting ready to cut him off, so he changed course and made up a few things he thought they would be willing to accept. "Everything I said about atrocities and racism was a lie. My unit never went out with the intention of doing anything but its job. And I never saw black soldiers treated differently, get picked out for the worst or most dangerous jobs, or anything like that. There were some guys, shirkers, who would intentionally injure themselves to get sent home, so I talked about that for a while. But the fact is I lied my ass off, and I'm not proud of it. I didn't think it would ever amount to anything."

After the 3-day conference ended, everybody piled back into the vans and headed home. Nobody had much to say to Pitkin. A month or two later he was contacted by a reporter for Life Magazine who asked about war crimes and atrocities. "I didn’t tell him what he wanted to hear," said Pitkin. Nothing he said was included in the final story.


In April, Steve Pitkin went down to Washington to check out the VVAW's weeklong "Dewey Canyon III" protest, where he "ran into a lot of guys who couldn’t answer questions about what unit they were in." At one point he met up with leftist icon Jerry Rubin, who was wrapped in a Vietcong flag. Pitkin told him to take it off. Rubin shrugged, dropped the flag, and walked away. Pitkin and two or three like-minded veterans formed a patrol, confiscating Vietcong flags and T-shirts from protestors and daring them to start something. Nobody took them up on it.

Pitkin was present for the infamous "medal toss" event on Friday, where VVAW members yelled obscenities and threats against the government into a microphone, then threw military decorations and papers over a fence in front of the U.S. Capitol. A guy with long hair stood nearby holding a bag filled with military ribbons and a few medals, handing them out. Pitkin noticed that most of the decorations weren't right for Vietnam combat veterans -– some, in fact, were from the Korean War -– and overheard remarks that the VVAW had cleaned out the local Army-Navy stores the day before. Disgusted, he grabbed a handful of ribbons and threw them, not at the Capitol, but at the throng of reporters crowding close to the microphone, and stalked away.

After Dewey Canyon III, Pitkin was no longer invited to VVAW meetings or events, which was fine with him. He soon went back into the military, joining the 5/20th Special Forces Group of the Maryland National Guard in 1974, and graduating from paratrooper "jump school" with honors in 1976, but was unable to get back on full time active duty in the Army. Pitkin joined the Coast Guard in 1978 and served there until his retirement in May 1997.

Steve Pitkin wants to apologize to Vietnam veterans for what he did and said at the Winter Soldier Investigation. "The VVAW found me during a difficult time in my life, and I let them use me to advance their political agenda. They pressured me to tell their lies, but that's no excuse for what I did. I just want people to know the truth and to make amends as best I can. I'd hate to see the troops serving today have to go through what Vietnam veterans did."

Scott Swett
September 6, 2004


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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub


161 posted on 09/07/2004 3:47:24 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: JohnHuang2; nutmeg

Thanks for the double mega ping.

162 posted on 09/07/2004 4:11:23 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: Yaelle

....and they did such a good job that I think half of what he believes TO THIS DAY comes from their propaganda dept!


I can't cite the sources right now, but I have read that Kerry's father was in the diplomatic corps and was very leftwing in his idealogy. I think Kerry learned his pinko philosophy from his dad.

Just like GWB learned decency from his dad!

163 posted on 09/07/2004 4:22:29 AM PDT by maica
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To: hoosiermama

Read about Richard Kerry, his father. As red as they come..Several good threads.
Here's a start:


Thanks for the link. I answered Yaelle before I got to your post.

164 posted on 09/07/2004 4:26:38 AM PDT by maica
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To: MEG33
The communists infiltrated and eventually took over leadership of the VVAW in the 70s....The communists are great "organizers" and know how to use propaganda...They take a legitimate cause like civil rights and turn it into the direction they want it to go.

Sometimes the communists did more than infiltrate. They saw an aggrieved group and actually shepherded them into "organizing for a cause." I was in Ireland in January 1969 when the buzz all over was that there were going to be "protest marches" in the north during the coming summer. These students, bartenders, and young workers did not simultanesously decide to visit Belfast, Dundalk, Derry, etc for their summer holidays. I am not saying that IRA leaders are or were communists, but willing partners when the suggestions to mobilize were made.

The resentment between Catholics and Protestants was real and ageless, but the shooting war was subtly instigated by communist agitators, I am sure.

165 posted on 09/07/2004 4:45:24 AM PDT by maica
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To: MEG33


166 posted on 09/07/2004 5:05:13 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (GEORGE WASHINGTON is nothing like HO CHI MINH as stated by Kerry.)
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To: The Mayor

Thank you for the ping, I'll be reading shortly.

167 posted on 09/07/2004 5:17:36 AM PDT by Donaeus ("John Kerry sees two Americas, the feeling's mutual. . .America sees two John Kerrys." -VP Cheney)
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To: Interesting Times

Wonder if Chris Mathews will have the guts to "open this can of tuna"?

168 posted on 09/07/2004 5:19:59 AM PDT by G Larry (Support John Thune!)
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To: Interesting Times


169 posted on 09/07/2004 5:24:36 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: Interesting Times
Former VVAW member Steve Pitkin states that John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony about American atrocities in Vietnam during the 1971 Winter Soldier Investigation.

Not surprised one bit.

170 posted on 09/07/2004 5:36:56 AM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; 8mmMauser; EGPWS; Acela; afterhoursguru; AlextheWise1; AniGrrl; ...

171 posted on 09/07/2004 5:52:23 AM PDT by SheLion (Donate to Swift Boat Vets. "I" did!)
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To: Interesting Times

VVAW operated like a religious cult!

172 posted on 09/07/2004 6:01:03 AM PDT by Milligan
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To: Interesting Times; MeekOneGOP

Great find and post, thanks Interesting Times.

Meek thanks for the ping.

173 posted on 09/07/2004 6:26:37 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (
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To: Bob J; Interesting Times; doug from upland

Steve Pitkin needs to come to the Viet Nam Vets for Truth remembrance next weekend and tell his story. Have him get in touch with Larry Baily, President, 1-703-799-0438 and joins us at the West Front of the Capitol Building at 2 p.m. Sunday September 12.

174 posted on 09/07/2004 6:35:08 AM PDT by CedarDave (USCG Vietnam vet to DC from NM on 9/12 for the "Kerry Lied..While Good Men Died" rally. Come join us)
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To: RobFromGa
John Kerry is the one I am furious at. Steve Pitkin is a hero for coming forward to tell the sad truth.

Pray for W and Our Troops

175 posted on 09/07/2004 6:35:34 AM PDT by bray (Some men have skeletons in their closets, some have cemetaries!!)
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To: maica

176 posted on 09/07/2004 6:37:49 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: Interesting Times

"Former VVAW member Steve Pitkin states that John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony about American atrocities in Vietnam during the 1971 Winter Soldier Investigation."

JFKerry is one sick twisted "EVIL" human being.

177 posted on 09/07/2004 6:48:00 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: bray

John Kerry is the one I am furious at. Steve Pitkin is a hero for coming forward to tell the sad truth.

I Second your thought!!!!!!

178 posted on 09/07/2004 6:49:17 AM PDT by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: Interesting Times

The truth has set him free.
God Bless him for telling it.

Ops4 God Bless America!

179 posted on 09/07/2004 6:55:48 AM PDT by OPS4 (worth repeating)
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To: Milligan

IIRC the religious cults got their operation tactics from the communists.....Read the book "Eleana". Written by the son about how his mother gave her life to save her children from the communist take over in Greece. It's a plan used by the terrorist today too.

180 posted on 09/07/2004 7:01:29 AM PDT by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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