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The New York Times Fingers Judao-Christians in Beslan Deaths
The Dawn Patrol via The Corner (KJL) ^ | Tuesday, September 07, 2004 | The Dawn Patrol

Posted on 09/07/2004 6:17:23 PM PDT by chiller

I know that's a strong headline, but imagine you're a person who only gets his or her news from the New York Times. For many people, that isn't much of a stretch.

You open up today's Times to the Page 3 feature on the Beslan horror. It doesn't mention that the terrorists were Muslims.

I know, I know. The sun rose today in the east, the sky is blue, roses are red, and the Times won't call terrorists Muslim. What else is new?

How about altering a quote specifically to remove any implication that the Beslan terrorists were Muslims?

The wire services reported, in a quote printed in thousands of newspapers, that the captured Beslan terrorist said, "By Allah, I did not shoot."

Today's Times piece quotes him as saying, "By God, I did not shoot"—a translation that no other news organization has used.

In other words, the Times wanted so badly to leave Islam out of its Beslan feature that it altered the terrorist's quote.

This is more than political correctness. This is the deliberate alteration of a news quote to create the false impression that a terrorist follows the Judao-Christian God and not Allah.

This is an outrage.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beslanmassacre; mediabias
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Spread the word. The NYT has really stepped in it.
1 posted on 09/07/2004 6:17:27 PM PDT by chiller
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To: chiller

No kidding, because my accepted translation of Allah is Satan, the blood-sucking moon god.


2 posted on 09/07/2004 6:19:23 PM PDT by evolved_rage (Kerry, the unmitigated Gaul.)
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To: chiller
Apparently Arab-speaking Jews and Christians refer to our God as "Allah." It's just Arabic for "God." I suppose that the Times did a proper translation. They probably should have detailed the al-Qaida connection.
3 posted on 09/07/2004 6:22:19 PM PDT by dufekin (President Kerry would have our enemies partying like it's 1969. That's when he became a traitor.)
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To: chiller
What is wrong with the NYT? The city that got blasted with terrorism, and its largest newspaper refuses to note the most important consistency between 9/11 and this? No wonder there are so many liberals in NY - they're being brainwashed by this flippin' leftist rag.
4 posted on 09/07/2004 6:22:25 PM PDT by meyer
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To: chiller
The New York Times Fingers Judao-Christians in Beslan Deaths

Judaoism? Is it Chinese?
5 posted on 09/07/2004 6:22:54 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: chiller

Did you think the NYTs was on our side?


6 posted on 09/07/2004 6:24:12 PM PDT by TigersEye (Let's hear about your Senate record already, John!)
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To: meyer
What is wrong with the NYT?

Let me give that one a try.

Most of the editorial staff is queer, and they hate Christians--who are here--more than the muslims--who are over there.

7 posted on 09/07/2004 6:24:36 PM PDT by Petronski (With what? Spitballs!?!)
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To: chiller

Well...the AP invented whole facts in its "boo" coverage of Bush's campaign.


8 posted on 09/07/2004 6:25:42 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: chiller

Tonight while channel surfing, I heard someone on CNN ask a guest if the media is in collusion with the terrorists because they refuse to call them "terrorists." The guest said it is because the news outlets are AFRAID to call them terrorists for fear of retaliation. Now that's a new twist. I couldn't believe what I was hearing!


9 posted on 09/07/2004 6:25:59 PM PDT by RepublicanHippy
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To: chiller

The NYT has always been full of manure. If you have ever seen copies of the NYT in the early 1930's referring to Germany rearming as; "it being their right", then turn around and call Adolph every name in the book, except socialist, after Germany invades Russia in '42, than you'd know the "Fix Was In" at the NYT a long, long time ago.


10 posted on 09/07/2004 6:26:12 PM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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To: dufekin

I fail to see your point. Substituting "God" for "Allah"
makes all the difference in the world, imho.


11 posted on 09/07/2004 6:26:52 PM PDT by chiller (Kill lying liberal Old media.....turn 'em off !)
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To: elbucko
...then turn around and call Adolph every name in the book, except socialist,...

That's pretty funny since he was the supreme leader of the National Socialist Party.

12 posted on 09/07/2004 6:28:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (Let's hear about your Senate record already, John!)
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To: chiller

BTTT


13 posted on 09/07/2004 6:29:06 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: chiller

The New Left Times has totally lost it to blind, self-absorbed, liberalism and anti-Americanism. After all, look at their reader-base.

It is disgusting to think about our troops and our military in general, that continues to protect this country with their lives, given daily, to protect these ANTI-AMERICAN SCUM that daily, with their presses, attempt to tear down the very fabric of America.

If I could, I would shut down the NYT, until they could provide some justification as to WHY OUR TROOPS SHOULD DIE TO PROTECT THIER FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!!!!


14 posted on 09/07/2004 6:29:38 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: chiller
I have the same reaction that Rush once mentioned about NYT stories. "Gee, I wonder if that's true?"

What a sad commentary about the so-called newspaper of record.

15 posted on 09/07/2004 6:30:18 PM PDT by chiller (Kill lying liberal Old media.....turn 'em off !)
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To: chiller

NYT is a piece rag. I rather read Pravda then this piece of tripe.


16 posted on 09/07/2004 6:31:22 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: chiller

The New York Times: "All the news that's fit to censor."


17 posted on 09/07/2004 6:33:15 PM PDT by Allan
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Well...the AP invented whole facts in its "boo" coverage of Bush's campaign.

On that topic, did Rush mention the this issue today, I didn't have an opportunity to listen?

18 posted on 09/07/2004 6:33:23 PM PDT by feedback doctor (God is NOT on GW Bush's side, GW Bush is on God's side)
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To: RepublicanHippy
Tonight while channel surfing, I heard someone on CNN ask a guest if the media is in collusion with the terrorists because they refuse to call them "terrorists

Hmmm. "Collusion". That's the very word I used yesterday in a thread to describe the commie medias refusal to call the terrorists what they are.

Is CNN lurking again?

19 posted on 09/07/2004 6:37:27 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

What's "boo" coverage? You've stumped my amoeba-like brain.


20 posted on 09/07/2004 6:38:42 PM PDT by chiller (Kill lying liberal Old media.....turn 'em off !)
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To: chiller
To the NYTimes and the Boston Globe, the Islamic terrorists
are "Holy Warriors".
21 posted on 09/07/2004 6:40:36 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Cuius rei demonstrationem mirabilem sane detexi hanc marginis exiguitas non caperet.)
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To: chiller

Why are we not surprised? Al Jazeera on the Hudson.


22 posted on 09/07/2004 6:41:53 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Lijahsbubbe

"Collusion" is the exact word he used I believe. It was on CNN headline news around 6:00 or so. I am sure CNN people do lurk here but I am not one of them if that is what you are implying. I really was surprised to hear someone on CNN ask a question like that since most of us here on FR just assume the liberal media is in "collusion" with the terrorists, communists, etc.


23 posted on 09/07/2004 6:43:40 PM PDT by RepublicanHippy
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To: chiller

The New York Times is still too busy covering the Abu Ghraib story...I guess 50+ front page stories wasn't enough. Savage just ran through a number of headlines from around the country (and world)...and some outlets actually refered to them as "activists"...with none of the ever mentioning the word, terrorists.


24 posted on 09/07/2004 6:43:58 PM PDT by cwb (John Kerry: Still attacking Vietnam Vets after 35 years.)
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To: RepublicanHippy

ratings. And their guy Kerry isn't doing so good..


25 posted on 09/07/2004 6:45:39 PM PDT by Alia
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To: RepublicanHippy
but I am not one of them if that is what you are implying

No, I wasn't at all!

26 posted on 09/07/2004 6:51:49 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: chiller
How do you get the guts to even read the New York Slimes? I haven't for years and I'm a happier man for it!

I guess the liberals are tired of blubbering "why do they hate us?". Now they are blubbering "why do they hate the Russians?".

27 posted on 09/07/2004 6:53:00 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: RepublicanHippy
And just what is the deal with you and Rush, Daryn? (sorry, I couldn't resist...)
28 posted on 09/07/2004 6:54:32 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: chiller

Concerning the "boo" story, look here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1207644/posts?page=1


29 posted on 09/07/2004 6:57:37 PM PDT by Rocky (Heinz Kerry: 57 positions on any issue)
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To: Ukiapah Heep
guess the liberals are tired of blubbering "why do they hate us?". Now they are blubbering "why do they hate the Russians?".

With all of their analyzing, I'm surprised they don't have their anchors give the news from a psychiatrists couch.

30 posted on 09/07/2004 6:57:46 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: chiller
Sorry...I love brevity but sometimes..
"Boo" coverage concerns the the widely circulated, then retracted, report by Tim Hayes of the Associated Press last Friday. W was campaigning and mentioned he sent his best wishes to former president Clinton after news of Clinton's heart operation broke. Reporter Hays wrote 'the crowd booed (reference toward Clinton) and Bush did nothing to stop it,' (paraphrasing).
The boos from the crowd and Bush's "refusal" to condemn them never happened. They were the whole cloth invention of an obvious media Bush-hater looking for a spin (or driven by the fiction) of W's lack of Swiftvets condemnation.
It was as bald a lie as I've observed in the campaign but not unexpected, given Kerry's current status.
31 posted on 09/07/2004 7:09:12 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: chiller

NYT is sold nationwide at Starbucks. I would like to boycott Starbucks unless / until they drop the NYT.


32 posted on 09/07/2004 7:12:25 PM PDT by Tax Government (Before there is faith, there must be hope.)
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To: chiller

It is, indeed, an outrage. Nothing more than typical of this bullsh*t so-called newspaper.


33 posted on 09/07/2004 7:14:39 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: dufekin
You are correct, Arabic speaking Christians say "Allah" for God (for instance Quddouson Allah is the first line of the Trisagion Hymn (Holy God. . . in English, Hagios ho Theos. . .in Greek) and is a more faithful translation of the Greek original (ho Theos = the God, while Allah is an elision of al Illah = the God) than the English.

The issue of whether the NYT translation is appropriate turns on whether the cowardly thug was pleading entirely in Arabic, in which case a full translation is appropriate, or was using the Arabic "the God" in what was otherwise spoken in Russian or Chechen. Only the Muslims (or those following their custom in reporting Muslim speech or writing) treat Allah as a proper name and leave it untranslated when passing into other languages. An Arabic speaking Christian will sing "Holy God. . ." when singing the Trisagion in English, never "Holy Allah. . .". A Muslim speaking English will speak of Allah in refering to his deity, regarding the Arabic name as part of the Koranic 'revelation'.

If he was pleading in Russian or Chechen, translating Allah from the Arabic along with the translation from Russian or Chechen is dishonest. If he was speaking entirely in Arabic, I have no problem with the translation.

34 posted on 09/07/2004 7:15:29 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was)
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To: Tax Government
NYT is sold nationwide at Starbucks. I would like to boycott Starbucks unless / until they drop the NYT.

Suggest they get the WSJ for balance? It *is* one of only two national newspapers: the other being USA Today. I think the WSJ is trying to be nationwide too.

35 posted on 09/07/2004 7:23:41 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: The_Reader_David
I think the terrorist was quoted as shouting "Allah Akbar" or "Allah is Great". He didn't say "God is great", because the god he refers to does not exist. It was invented in the Arab desert in the 7th century and has been spread by violence and has much reference to God as "great spirit" does from an MGM western.
36 posted on 09/07/2004 7:32:34 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Jack Black

WSJ editions are published in Europe and Asia.


37 posted on 09/07/2004 7:36:22 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: chiller
"Imagine you're a person who only gets his or her news from the New York Times."

Okay. I'm imagining... I only get my news from the New York Times... Yesssss...I'm a moron...a dysinformed moron...

38 posted on 09/07/2004 7:49:36 PM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush.)
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To: chiller
"This is more than political correctness. This is the deliberate alteration of...news" This is propaganda. This is the New York Times. This is nothing new.
39 posted on 09/07/2004 7:52:32 PM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush.)
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To: chiller

The New York Times has become one, with the enemy.....
They have become the enemy....

Semper Fi


40 posted on 09/07/2004 7:52:46 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: dufekin
According to Mohammed...it was Allah who whispered all those neat things he put in the Koran
things like flying commercial aircraft into office towers and slitting female flight attendants throats with box cutters...rape torture theft lying stealing murder pedophilia sodomy all the things the Koran say are at times 'permissible' when done to glorify Allah...as the Russian school children recently found out and the Sudanese children have known for years...Allah can be harsh with any 'infidel'.... Jew ,Christian, and Pagan

Now if this Allah.. sounds like the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob to you....well.. I highly recommend a bit more reading...(which we all could use anyway) IMO
41 posted on 09/07/2004 7:58:45 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I was at this rally and it was such an american moment that we cheered in support of prayers for President Clinton. Politics were put aside, we were all Americans. Then the AP spits out the lie.

Powerline has published the email of the reporter's boss. Read this over and SEND EMAILS!!!!

powerline writes.......
Over the weekend, we wrote about the false Associated Press report on a rally for President Bush in West Allis, Wisconsin. The AP report, by AP correspondent Tom Hays, said that "Bush's audience of thousands in West Allis, Wis., booed. Bush did nothing to stop them." This was a lie; the audiotape of the rally discloses no booing whatsoever. The AP subsequently issued a corrected version of the article, which deleted all reference to the non-existent booing.

I emailed Mr. Hays over the weekend to ask for an explanation. This morning I sent Mr. Hays the following email:

Mr. Hays, I assume that you are back in your office after the holiday and will now be in a position to respond to my earlier email asking about your false report that Republicans booed President Clinton at a rally in West Allis, Wisconsin, and President Bush "did nothing to stop them." I have listened to the audio of the rally; there was no booing. I have been told by a number of people who were present at the rally that there was no booing. The Associated Press issued a corrected version of your story deleting the false claim that the crowd booed.
So, I want to know what you have to say for yourself. Were you actually at the West Allis rally? If not, from whom did you get the false information that the crowd booed? If you were at the rally, what was your basis for reporting that the crowd booed and President Bush did nothing to stop it? And what relationship, formal or informal, do you have with the Kerry campaign?

I look forward to hearing from you. We have a website that is read by 50,000 or more people, and we have commented on this incident at length. Those comments have been linked to by other websites with readerships totaling in the millions. If you have anything to say for yourself, I will happily print it. Otherwise, I will be forced to conclude, and will publish my conclusion, that this is a naked instance of press bias, and that you deliberately filed a false report for the purpose of aiding the Kerry campaign.


Mr. Hays' email address is thays@ap.org. I will advise our readers if and when I get a response from him. In the meantime, polite emails to the above address, asking for an explanation of his false report, would be appropriate.


42 posted on 09/07/2004 8:36:17 PM PDT by gogipper (Zell Miller -- At last a Democrat who isn't truth impaired.....Give 'em hell Zell.)
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To: chiller

"All The News That's Shi'ite To Print"


43 posted on 09/07/2004 8:56:06 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Rocky

Oh, yeah...THAT "boo". The old media can't stop digging their own grave.


44 posted on 09/08/2004 6:08:22 AM PDT by chiller (Kill lying liberal Old media.....turn 'em off !)
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To: chiller

From the newspaper that gave us Walter Duranty and Jayson Blair.


45 posted on 09/08/2004 6:12:45 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: chiller

Heard a Russian pastor on a talk show this morning - many of the victims were Baptists - this was an explicit attack on Christian people.


46 posted on 09/08/2004 6:14:41 AM PDT by geros
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To: chiller

I agree. That's beyond the pale, even for the despicable NY Slimes.


47 posted on 09/08/2004 6:17:51 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: gogipper

Friday night's NBC news with Brokaw ran the West Allis clip with cheers and applause and no comment. I like to think there was a purpose for this 10 second slam of the AP.


48 posted on 09/08/2004 6:18:33 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...
In other words, the Times wanted so badly to leave Islam out of its Beslan feature that it altered the terrorist's quote.

Nondenominational freedom fighters bump.

49 posted on 09/08/2004 6:20:27 AM PDT by A. Pole (Madeleine Albright:"We are the indispensable nation. We stand tall. We see further into the future.")
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To: meyer
"No wonder there are so many liberals in NY - they're being brainwashed by this flippin' leftist rag."

You got that right!! The New York Times is the worst and run by extreme liberals/Communists/Anti-Americans. Many schools in New York require their students read this rag!! The New York Times have one agenda right now, and that is to beat George Bush. Are we going to let some small lefty group take power of our country, simply because they are the writers at the New York Slimes? I don't think so!!

DON'T BUY THE NEW YORK TIMES - THEY LIE AND CHEAT
50 posted on 09/08/2004 6:20:53 AM PDT by Raquel (It's our security - stupid)
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