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'Texans for Truth' [Moveon.org 527] Ad Buy Challenges Bush on Texas National Guard Service
ABC News ^ | 9/8/04 | Marc Ambinder

Posted on 09/08/2004 7:37:17 AM PDT by gopwinsin04

'Texans for Truth' is getting its turn at bat today, just in time for the 60 Minutet II interview with Former Texas Lt. Governor Ben Barnes tonight.

'Texans for Truth' is an arm of Drive Democracy, an Austin based group that got its initial funding from the liberal group Moveon.Org.

The Moveon PAC and Moveon Voter Fund have spent about $7 million since March 1 on anti Bush TV ads.

Drive Democracy is run by Glenn Smith who managed the unsuccessful 2002 Texas gubernatorial campaign of Democrat Tony Sanchez.

Smith is a former managing director at the consulting firm Public Strategies, which employs former Texas Governor Ann Richards.

'Texans for Truth plans to spend $100,000 to $200,000 to run the ad for a week in closely contested states that are home to large numbers of families of US troops killed in Iraq.

Such states include Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Oregon and Arizona.

The Bush campagin is crying foul. 'The president served honorably in the National Guard, fulfilled his duties and was honorably discharged,' campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2004; 527; ads; bush; camejo; cheney; dubya; edwards; election; ghouls; gwb; kerry; lowlifes; moveon; nader; vultures
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Script for the ad is in the article.
1 posted on 09/08/2004 7:37:17 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

What a bunch of idiots. Bush has not made his National Guard service an important part of his campaign. Kerry has made his Swiftboat service an important part of his campaign.

These guys spend a lot of effort barking up the wrong tree.


2 posted on 09/08/2004 7:40:11 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Unbeliveable! The dims are chasing the families of dead soliders to get votes..(shaking head)


3 posted on 09/08/2004 7:41:19 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: Brilliant

Seems like they just throw stuff out to see what sticks..


4 posted on 09/08/2004 7:41:27 AM PDT by pnz1
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To: gopwinsin04
Wouldn't want to be talking about the war on terror.

Nope gotta talk about Nam.

5 posted on 09/08/2004 7:43:23 AM PDT by OldFriend (GIVE EM ZELL)
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To: OldFriend

This has got to be forwarded to Drudge and Hannity, absoultely outrageous!


6 posted on 09/08/2004 7:44:31 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: Brilliant

This is B.S. The so called Texans for Truth are motivated by a group of Texas Musicians, aka Dixie Chicks, Joe Ely, Delbert McClinton. The Chicks are big time behind this and they blame Bush for their decline after Natalie Maines remarks about Bush. I am Texan and I am sick of these so called special interest groups.

November 2 can not get here soon enough. The American Public is worn out with this B.S.


7 posted on 09/08/2004 7:44:33 AM PDT by JFC
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To: gopwinsin04
Great. Lets just keep talking about the Vietnam era. What idiots. Does anybody remember everyone in their High School Class? No. I'm retired Army and do I remember every one in every unit I served? NO.Does that mean they weren't there? NO. Does it mean I wasn't there? NO.
8 posted on 09/08/2004 7:44:59 AM PDT by MP5SD
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To: gopwinsin04

This makes the liberals look desperate. Joe Public will look at this inertly or negatively against Kerry.


9 posted on 09/08/2004 7:46:23 AM PDT by mlbford2 ("sycophantic kerry koolaid sucker" -- S. Hannity)
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To: JFC

Hadn't thought about that. They are defaming all Texans by trying to attribute their psychosis to you, aren't they?


10 posted on 09/08/2004 7:46:29 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: MP5SD

This is a major miscalcuation on the part of the Dims, targeting suffering families for politcal gain will not work.


11 posted on 09/08/2004 7:47:01 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

This is not something that we should pretend is going to have no effect on the voters. Kerry took a beating due to the Swift Boats but with the main stream media's constant accusation that Bush and Co. had something to do with them, don't be surprised to see Bush drop in the polls after they get through with this.


12 posted on 09/08/2004 7:48:00 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: misterrob

WRONG!


13 posted on 09/08/2004 7:50:14 AM PDT by OldFriend (GIVE EM ZELL)
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To: gopwinsin04

BUSH:
ALLEGEDLY DID NOT SHOW UP FOR SOMETHING DURING HIS SERVICE.

KERRY:
MET WITH NORTH VIETNAMESE COMMUNIST IN TIME OF WAR

ADMITTED TO WAR CRIMES

THREW HIS OR SOMEONE ELSES METALS OR RIBBONS OR BOTH AT THE WHITE HOUSE IN PROTEST

Yeah, I'd say these issues are equivalent. Wouldn't you?


14 posted on 09/08/2004 7:50:42 AM PDT by Chewbacco (I actually did have a tagline, before I erased it.)
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To: misterrob

Depends how the 60 Minutes II interview plays tonight, could be a non issue if the mainstream largely ignores it..


15 posted on 09/08/2004 7:51:33 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04
Check the number of times this has been posted from various sources.

Now, how did Ben Barnes help Bush get into the guard in 1968, when he wasn't the LT governor of Texas until 1969?

LT governors of Texas

Seems very odd. Just another lie by the RATs and the liberal media just plays into their hands.

16 posted on 09/08/2004 7:52:29 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (kerry wants to rely on 4 months in Nam, not almost 20 yrs AWOL in the Senate.)
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To: Chewbacco

You forgot to mention Kerry was present at a 1971 meeting that discussed the assassination of Senator Jesse Helms and Cokie Roberts father..


17 posted on 09/08/2004 7:53:06 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: misterrob

You should all be listening to Glenn Beck right now. He is talking about the Kitty Kelly book making it's claims about Laura Bush smoking pot in the 60's. He is having people call in to say what they did in the 60's. This is going to back fire on these stupid libs. They are at all all time low, and just think because they say it .... it will stick. It is time for all of us to speak out against these stupid low attepts to pull down our President.

I am calling CBS and letting moveon.com know how I feel along with these musicians. I have sent them back the cd's I bought. I will NEVER watch any of the liberal movie stars shows, I will NOT give any of them another dime of my hard earned money.


18 posted on 09/08/2004 7:53:08 AM PDT by JFC
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To: misterrob

This is a scattered mortar barrage from the Dems.
Wait until the napalm from the Swift Boat ad on Paris.


19 posted on 09/08/2004 7:53:51 AM PDT by WoodstockCat
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To: Chewbacco; Humidston

it's reassuring to know those folks at 'Texans for Truth' are right on top of this important election issue.


20 posted on 09/08/2004 7:54:53 AM PDT by cyn (prayers always for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: misterrob

I think you are correct. The Swiftboat Vets were effectively portrayed by the major media as acting at the behest of the Bush campaign, and now, I suspect that the point will be made that the Swiftboat campaign was done to 'cover up' President Bush's record.

Truth does not matter--I thought that the Swiftboaters were a litle too naive, and I suspected that the backlash would not help Bush.


21 posted on 09/08/2004 7:55:14 AM PDT by pacocat
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To: gopwinsin04
This is all they got?

The left is bent on repeating the line that "no one has ever come forward to say they saw Bush in Alabama".

No one? Really? Ok, how about ...

Source: NRO's Kerry Spot

So, I guess NO ONE has ever said they saw Bush in Alabama. Oh, ok?

The "W" isn't just the middle initial of our next presidents, it's also for WHATEVER!

22 posted on 09/08/2004 7:55:49 AM PDT by mattdono ([John Edwards before going on stage 20 minutes after President] Hold muh' senses)
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To: gopwinsin04

The stench of desperation emanates from the 'Rats camp. They are willing to insinuate anything, say whatever they need to, in order to get the momentum back on their side. They are willing to risk losing a libel/slander suit in order to regain power. That makes them whores for power. But we already knew that.


23 posted on 09/08/2004 7:56:05 AM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (Proud Member of the Reagan Republicans)
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To: All
Creeps. Boldfacing, if anyone missed it:

“Texans for Truth plans to spend $100,000 to $200,000 to run the ad for a week in closely contested states that are home to large numbers of families of US troops killed in Iraq.”

24 posted on 09/08/2004 7:56:41 AM PDT by dighton
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To: mattdono

Didn't they try this last election?


25 posted on 09/08/2004 7:58:13 AM PDT by pnz1
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To: gopwinsin04

Bring it on!


26 posted on 09/08/2004 8:00:35 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'm a happy Republican goon)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Now, how did Ben Barnes help Bush get into the guard in 1968, when he wasn't the LT governor of Texas until 1969?

Hmmm. That's a great question. You'd think that someone (SOMEONE!) would ask Mr. Barnes this simple question. Alas, Danny Blather will not ask this question. The media is selling this country out. I can only hold the promise that people really are NOT getting informed from these sources anymore.

27 posted on 09/08/2004 8:01:02 AM PDT by mattdono ([John Edwards before going on stage 20 minutes after President] Hold muh' senses)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

There is no limit to the depths that the Dims will sink to.


28 posted on 09/08/2004 8:01:58 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: dighton

I am a marine aunt. I can assure you Texans who have family in the military are in FULL SUPPORT of PRESIDENT BUSH. These are the low life Texas Musicians who are against President Bush. The article was in the Dallas Morning News a week ago on this group!!! Funded by the hate group MOVEON.HATEamerica.


29 posted on 09/08/2004 8:02:24 AM PDT by JFC
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To: gopwinsin04

I've been asking and searching--I'll ask again. Is there any online source of donors to this 527 in Austin, or a complete list of donors to any 527 anywhere?


30 posted on 09/08/2004 8:03:48 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: JFC

Delbert McClinton TOO? I was saddened (and disappointed) but not surprised by John Prine. Guy Clark could break my heart.


31 posted on 09/08/2004 8:05:21 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: pacocat
"I thought that the Swiftboaters were a litle too naive..." - and - "Truth does not matter" -- rofl.
32 posted on 09/08/2004 8:05:40 AM PDT by cyn (prayers always for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: JFC

Who else are among the Texas musicians involved?


33 posted on 09/08/2004 8:06:34 AM PDT by pnz1
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To: pnz1

Exactly -- they will now start a saturation-bombing smear campaign on Bush until they run out of money -- it is their last desperation effort, since Kerry cannot deliver anything of substance.

Expect the Dems to out-do themselves on sleaze and gutter-level lies and spin.


34 posted on 09/08/2004 8:07:00 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: mattdono; Arrowhead1952

There seems to be a pattern here -- must be the same way Nixon was able to get troops into Cambodia before he became president.


35 posted on 09/08/2004 8:09:25 AM PDT by cyn (prayers always for Terri Schiavo and her family.)
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To: gopwinsin04

This is where their constant denigration of the National Guard hurts them. They've been saying it's not important, now they're saying Bush didn't show up for this not important job.

Everyone agrees, though, that service in Vietnam is being on the front lines, and Kerry has made it the only issue he's running on.

This doesn't hurt Bush; the Swift Vets ads DO hurt Kerry.

Nice try, guys.


36 posted on 09/08/2004 8:10:36 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377

Considering how many of the National Guard Units that are deployed or have been deployed to Iraq and other locations in the ME, it's not very smart to start knocking Guard service.


37 posted on 09/08/2004 8:14:05 AM PDT by pnz1
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To: Mamzelle

Its the people an earlier poster mentioned, the Dixie Sluts and Delbert McClinton..


38 posted on 09/08/2004 8:15:58 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04
'Texans for Truth'

Can't these dweebs ever conjure up an original name?

39 posted on 09/08/2004 8:17:30 AM PDT by Redcloak (This is my most clever tag line ever!)
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To: pnz1

I was trying to find the article from the Dallas Morning News, but it listed a lot of Texas Musicians. The silent party .... are the Dixie Chicks who will stop at nothing to get Kerry elected.

The ones I can remember are mostly all located in Austin, (land of liberal fleas and gays).

I too loved Delbert McClinton, but I have sent back all of his CD's. Joe Ely, Willie Nelson, Cooder Graw, Jack Johnson (he is from CA), Jack Ingram to name a few.

Musicians gather to gain momentum against Bush
By The Associated Press
(8/05/04 - NEW YORK) — A collection of more than 20 prominent musicians from John Fogerty to Bruce Springsteen to Pearl Jam joined forces Wednesday calling for President Bush's ouster, announcing an unprecedented series of fund-raising concerts across nine swing states.

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"I feel this is one of the most critical elections in my lifetime," Springsteen told The Associated Press in the most overtly political statement of his career. "This wasn't one that a concerned citizen felt comfortable sitting out."

Springsteen was joined by a collection of performers that spanned generations and genres: country act the Dixie Chicks, hip-hoppers Jurassic 5, bluesman Keb' Mo' and classic rockers John Mellencamp and Jackson Browne. The artists, touring under the "Vote for Change" banner, will play 34 shows in 28 cities between Oct. 1-8.

Springsteen's concerns and commitment were shared by other performers, including Dave Matthews and his band.

"It's the first time Bruce and the E Street Band ever stood up and made a clear political statement," Matthews told The AP. "This is the first time we've ever stood as a band, unified, and said we want a change."

The shows, which launch Oct. 1 in Pennsylvania, will take an unusual approach: as many as six concerts on a single day in cities across the states expected to decide the November presidential race. Other stops on the tour are North Carolina, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Wisconsin and the key state in 2000, Florida.

The money generated will go to America Coming Together, which promises on its Web site to "derail the right-wing Republican agenda by defeating George W. Bush." The anticipated millions of dollars will be spent in the swing states before the presidential election, said ACT president Ellen Malcolm.

The shows will be presented by MoveOn Pac, the electoral arm of the liberal interest group MoveOn.org.

There was no immediate word on prices for tickets, which go on sale Aug. 21 for all the shows. The concerts will pair artists, such as Springsteen and REM, the Dixie Chicks and James Taylor, or Mellencamp and Kenny "Babyface" Edmonds.

Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks, who memorably told a London audience last year that she was ashamed to share her home state of Texas with Bush, echoed Springsteen's comment about the importance of the Nov. 2 election.

"A change is in order," Maines said in an AP interview. "There's never been a political climate like this, which is so the polar opposite of me as a person and what I believe in."

The idea was hatched by several of the acts' managers, and quickly expanded. "Once we started talking to each other, ideas started percolating and other artists started reaching out to us," said Jon Landau, Springsteen's manager.

Many of the acts had a history of social activism, from Browne's anti-nuclear concerts to Mellencamp's Farm Aid shows. Pearl Jam front man Eddie Vedder was a Ralph Nader backer in 2000, but he feels Democratic nominee John Kerry is the choice this time around.

"There's a vote coming up, and a chance to have a regime change at home," Vedder told AP. "I'm feeling the same way, there's a need for change."



40 posted on 09/08/2004 8:18:14 AM PDT by JFC
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To: Redcloak

Probably a play off of Swiftboat Veterans for Truth isn't it?


41 posted on 09/08/2004 8:18:24 AM PDT by pnz1
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To: JFC

Just wondered if Pat Green was on that list of musicians.


42 posted on 09/08/2004 8:19:39 AM PDT by pnz1
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To: gopwinsin04

related:

'Bush and I were lieutenants'
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1075896/posts
Posted on 02/11/2004 6:20:44 AM PST by Petronski
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040210-082910-8424r.htm


43 posted on 09/08/2004 8:20:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: gopwinsin04
I think this smacks of more "me tooism!" The Swifties come out so the Dems have to counter. Fortunately, they are so stupid that they can't even come up with a clever name for their group and mirror exactly the other group's name. Looks like schoolyard fighting...not substantive.

I can't believe that Susan Estrich who is always bemoaning these negative ads as the reason people hate politics is out there suggesting that the Dems bring up the fact that Bush is an alcoholic and what happens if he falls off the wagon? Desperate times call for desperate measures I suppose.

Besides this comparison of being fit to serve is nonsense. Bush has been serving as CIC for 3 1/2 years and people know him. The dems are acting as if he is an unknown quantity and that simply isn't the case.

44 posted on 09/08/2004 8:20:23 AM PDT by Wphile (Keep the UN out of Iraq)
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To: pnz1

I love Pat Green. I think he has been Neutral. He is a Texas Tech grad, and his wife is from West Texas. I do not know where he stands, but that is what I wish I could say about all of these people. Why couldn't they have just SHUT UP AND SANG!


45 posted on 09/08/2004 8:21:43 AM PDT by JFC
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To: gopwinsin04

This tactic is not only stupid, it is breathtakingly inept!! As long as the debate rages on about military service, Kerry loses.......BIG TIME !!!

Besides, this country voted for a certified and admitted draft dodger, not once, but TWICE!! He name was Slick Willie Clinton.

Remember him???


46 posted on 09/08/2004 8:22:42 AM PDT by GeorgeW23225 (Liberals really aren*t bad people. It*s just that they know so much that simply ISN*T true!!)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Now, how did Ben Barnes help Bush get into the guard in 1968, when he wasn't the LT governor of Texas until 1969?

He had the help of President Nixon who was inaugurated January 20, 1969 but secretly ordered F'n into Cambodia in 1968.

Note to RATs: Oh what a web we weave, when we practice to deceive.
47 posted on 09/08/2004 8:22:51 AM PDT by JayNorth
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To: JFC

I really like Pat too and have been to lots of his shows. He reaches a lot of the college crowd. Makes me feel old..


48 posted on 09/08/2004 8:22:59 AM PDT by pnz1
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To: Wphile
I cant believe how stupid the Dims name is!

They cant even rip off the swifties properly..

49 posted on 09/08/2004 8:24:10 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

Any idea when the Swifties will be coming out with a new ad?


50 posted on 09/08/2004 8:24:31 AM PDT by engrpat
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