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New Defense Against RPGs
UDLP Website | 9/08/2004 | UDLP

Posted on 09/08/2004 4:27:29 PM PDT by muleskinner

United Defense Defeats RPGs with Close-In Counter Measure Active Protection System On Sept. 8, United Defense Industries announced that its Close-In Counter Measure (CICM) active protection system successfully intercepted and destroyed incoming Rocket Propelled Grenades (RPGs) during end-to-end testing at the U.S. Army’s Redstone Technical Test Center at Redstone Arsenal, Ala.

In successful end-to-end tests, the United Defense CICM system detected launched RPGs, tracked incoming rockets, launched its countermeasures and defeated RPGs before they reached the protected system.

"This successful counter-RPG mission was accomplished in less than nine months through targeted research and development efforts and rapid prototyping capabilities by United Defense and its teammates to quickly develop a successful, affordable near-term counter to RPGs," said Carl Sullinger, CICM Program Manager. "We expect to offer the CICM system to the U.S. military as a force protection measure for our fighting forces in combat while providing a fully compatible path with active defense suites for future systems."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aps; banglist; iaaps; miltech; rpg
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1 posted on 09/08/2004 4:27:31 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner

Bush's fault


2 posted on 09/08/2004 4:29:21 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner

WOW!!


3 posted on 09/08/2004 4:29:52 PM PDT by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: muleskinner

How much does an RPG cost????? anybody known ? I mean there are EVERYWHERE!!!


4 posted on 09/08/2004 4:30:26 PM PDT by Mikey_1962
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To: muleskinner

I wonder if this system is something that can be carried on a Humvee.


5 posted on 09/08/2004 4:30:38 PM PDT by snopercod (I have no interest in streamlining government or making it more efficient, I mean to reduce its size)
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To: muleskinner
The next best thing to beam turrets. :)

Another thing Kerry did/would oppose no doubt!
6 posted on 09/08/2004 4:31:26 PM PDT by Tealc
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To: Mikey_1962

Not much, it's just a metal tube and a big bullet filled with explosives.


7 posted on 09/08/2004 4:32:06 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: muleskinner

How about a link.

Now if they can just improve the detection time so it
detonates the warhead just as it clears the launcher.


8 posted on 09/08/2004 4:32:27 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: thoughtomator

yeah, but I mean there are not MASS produced, plus you have the launcher... the WESTERN version was about $59, but that was 1980 dollars...


9 posted on 09/08/2004 4:35:05 PM PDT by Mikey_1962
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To: snopercod
There is room on a Humvee or any other vehicle, but the question is does the Army want to fund the effort. These defensive suits aren't cheap.

"It will take funding away from schools, Granma, healthcare...." You know the drill.

10 posted on 09/08/2004 4:36:12 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner

That's awesome. Like a mini SDI. Those RPGs have been a big problem. Still have problems with roadside bombs too it seems.


11 posted on 09/08/2004 4:39:28 PM PDT by Huck (I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.)
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To: blam; Texaggie79

Alabama munitions ping...

3 Full Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

12 posted on 09/08/2004 4:39:51 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: muleskinner

I have a better counter measure. Drench the muslim bast@rds in pig fat and then set them on fire. It will be a nice preview of what they will have to endure in the afterlife.


13 posted on 09/08/2004 4:40:32 PM PDT by PattonReincarnated (Rebuild the Temple)
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To: Mikey_1962

The Chinese and Russians mass manufactured them, and the Islamokazis make 'em as fast as they know how.


14 posted on 09/08/2004 4:42:06 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: muleskinner

Hmmmmm, that sounds like it puts a lot of lead in the general direction oft the shooter...


15 posted on 09/08/2004 4:43:32 PM PDT by null and void (Behold! I am become death, destroyer of threads.)
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To: thoughtomator

BUT>>>>>>>>> it has no value in a "non-urban" war


16 posted on 09/08/2004 4:44:10 PM PDT by Mikey_1962
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To: Boundless
Now if they can just improve the detection time so it detonates the warhead just as it clears the launcher.

That would be a nice easy way to save a couple of bucks on a countermeasure, wouldn't it?

17 posted on 09/08/2004 4:46:05 PM PDT by ErnBatavia ("Dork"; a 60's term for a 60's kinda guy: JFK)
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To: Mikey_1962

They have plenty of value to the Islamist thugs whose primary targets are unarmed women and children. If there were ever a real battle, they'd be fleeing, not firing.


18 posted on 09/08/2004 4:46:31 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: muleskinner

I seem to recall that chain link fence worked pretty well in Viet Nam. Anything to make it detonate far enough away to diffuse the jet stream.


19 posted on 09/08/2004 4:48:29 PM PDT by csmusaret (Urban Sprawl is an oxymoron)
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To: thoughtomator

And I am beginning to believe that they speak Farsi if you know what I mean. It is a LONG border... and they would LOVE to have TWO SHIITE states next to each other


20 posted on 09/08/2004 4:50:01 PM PDT by Mikey_1962
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To: muleskinner

http://www.udlp.com/pr/pr_20040908.htm


21 posted on 09/08/2004 4:56:27 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: ErnBatavia

Now if they can just improve the detection time so it detonates the warhead just as it clears the launcher.

That would be a nice easy way to save a couple of bucks on a countermeasure, wouldn't it?


Heck, just detonate them while they are still in their shipping boxes.


22 posted on 09/08/2004 4:57:43 PM PDT by Kirkwood (I think, therefore I am Republican!)
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To: Southack

that's hot. Hope to see video... :D


23 posted on 09/08/2004 5:01:05 PM PDT by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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To: muleskinner

I read something similar to that before, though it was more or less armor on a vehicle. Basically a capacitor is charged and there is a HUGE polarization between two armor plates so when an anti-vehicular projectile hits it, the polarized plates will find a connection and ZAP! away all of the armor-piercing charge before it penetrates.

Found a reprint of the article here: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1177/pg1


24 posted on 09/08/2004 5:02:21 PM PDT by krakath
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To: Kirkwood
Heck, just detonate them while they are still in their shipping boxes.

What?...and blow up a bunch of innocent French civilians??

25 posted on 09/08/2004 5:07:20 PM PDT by ErnBatavia ("Dork"; a 60's term for a 60's kinda guy: JFK)
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To: All
How's this for a fun idea?

Quietly manufacture 100,000 RPG rounds that are DESIGNED to detonate when the launcher's trigger is pulled. Then equally quietly put them up for sale in the Kosovo-Syria-Pakistan-Iran-Saudi arms markets.

Stand back and enjoy the show.

NO BLOOD FOR KETCHUP!

26 posted on 09/08/2004 5:26:32 PM PDT by Stormcrow ("It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so." - R. Reagan)
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To: Boundless
Now if they can just improve the detection time so it detonates the warhead just as it clears the launcher.

Yesss!

27 posted on 09/08/2004 5:32:16 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (A busload of sweaty cheerleaders doesn't necessarily smell bad.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

>> Now if they can just improve the detection time so it
>> detonates the warhead just as it clears the launcher.

> Yesss!

Well, before you buy any stock, I need to point out that
my remark was mostly in jest. Unless I'm mistaken, most
shoulder-launched, mortar and artillery projectiles are
designed so that the warhead is not armed until some
time/distance after clearing the tube.

But certainly, given the short engagement ranges of RPGs,
if this system can detect one in time to thwart the
shaped charge, then it could perhaps be coupled to a
weapon that would simultaneously deliver counter-fire
toward the computed point of launch.


28 posted on 09/08/2004 5:41:37 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: Boundless

hehe... and don't forget, you have to remove the arming pin on a RPG round.


29 posted on 09/08/2004 5:44:02 PM PDT by Terabitten (Father, grant me the strength to live a life worthy of those who came before me...)
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To: Owl558

Is an RPG similar to a Stinger.


30 posted on 09/08/2004 5:44:39 PM PDT by Lori675
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To: Stormcrow

> Quietly manufacture 100,000 RPG rounds that are DESIGNED
> to detonate when the launcher's trigger is pulled. Then
> equally quietly put them up for sale in the
> Kosovo-Syria-Pakistan-Iran-Saudi arms markets.

It's been done. No point doing 100K of 'em tho, because
even a stupid enemy catches on pretty quickly, and learns
to read and verify the armory marks on the cartons.

... do have to wonder about some of those Pali "work
accidents" tho ...


31 posted on 09/08/2004 5:46:34 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: snippy_about_it

Ya wanna ping the tread heads to this one?

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


32 posted on 09/08/2004 5:49:03 PM PDT by alfa6 (120 folders done, 2 to go thru...but the last one is a dooozy)
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To: Lori675

> Is an RPG similar to a Stinger.

Nope, more like the classic bazooka.

A Rocket Propelled Grenade is just that, although I
suspect that most use shaped-charge warhead rather than
a traditional fragmentation warhead. They are also short-
range and unguided (other than the initial optical sighting).

A stinger is a long range (miles) guided missile with a
terminal (target) homing capability. Warhead is probably
frag, but I've already told you more than I know :-)


33 posted on 09/08/2004 5:50:23 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: mostly cajun; archy; Gringo1; Matthew James; Fred Mertz; Squantos; colorado tanker; The Shrew; ...
Free Republic Treadhead Ping





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Snippy, I bequeath to you the FR TH PL.

148 posted on 08/24/2004 11:39:45 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)

Cannoneer, we miss you already. :-)
34 posted on 09/08/2004 5:55:26 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: muleskinner
I volunteer John Kerry's Social Security. If that is not quite enough money, you can have Tom Dashole's SS too. If you still need more, let me know, I will volunteer some other deserving individual's until we get this thing paid for.
35 posted on 09/08/2004 5:56:09 PM PDT by Conservative Infidel
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To: snippy_about_it

BTTT!

Although, I'm a bit late for the Treadhead event, huh?

Sorry!

Thanks for the ping.


36 posted on 09/08/2004 5:57:20 PM PDT by MoJo2001 (Psychology: The art of turning stupidity into illness)
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To: Stormcrow
Quietly manufacture 100,000 RPG rounds that are DESIGNED to detonate when the launcher's trigger is pulled.

We did some stuff like that in Vietnam. I don't know if we are doing it now. It would not be announced if it were so.

37 posted on 09/08/2004 5:58:18 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Mikey_1962
RPGs are cheap, less than $26 I read somewhere. Cheap, especially compared to the vehicles and personnel they damage and kill...
38 posted on 09/08/2004 6:00:07 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: Stormcrow
Quietly manufacture 100,000 RPG rounds that are DESIGNED to detonate when the launcher's trigger is pulled. Then equally quietly put them up for sale in the Kosovo-Syria-Pakistan-Iran-Saudi arms markets.

Excellent idea! Let's hope someone from the DOD is reading this thread!
39 posted on 09/08/2004 6:02:22 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The theory of evolution is just that - a theory.)
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To: Stormcrow

That is possibly one of the best ideas I've heard in ages.


40 posted on 09/08/2004 6:04:31 PM PDT by Kirkwood (I think, therefore I am Republican!)
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To: snippy_about_it
Cannoneer gone sick or worse ?!?!?!?!?

Anyone know how this works ? Is it a metal storm phalanx thang that'll trash troops in the line of fire etc ??

Stay safe !

41 posted on 09/08/2004 6:10:00 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Stormcrow
Quietly manufacture 100,000 RPG rounds that are DESIGNED to detonate when the launcher's trigger is pulled. Then equally quietly put them up for sale in the Kosovo-Syria-Pakistan-Iran-Saudi arms markets.

This was done in the Cold War.

42 posted on 09/08/2004 6:18:00 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Squantos
Cannoneer has gone off to work in Afghanistan. Bequeathed the ping list to me a couple weeks ago on the Tuesday Foxhole Treadhead thread, his other armor ping list he left for Darksheare.

He should have internet access by 9/18 or soon after and perhaps he will get a post in on FR somewhere. :-)

We pray for his safety.
43 posted on 09/08/2004 6:21:49 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: muleskinner

bump


44 posted on 09/08/2004 6:24:24 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Mikey_1962

The Russians and the US gave them out like they were candy back during the Cold War. They have a long shelf life, require little maintainance, and are cheap as hell to buy on the Black Market. In short: The Knuckleheads aren't going to run out anytime soon.


45 posted on 09/08/2004 6:27:24 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: Mikey_1962
How much does an RPG cost????? anybody known ?

A dinar a dozen.

46 posted on 09/08/2004 6:28:40 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (GIVE'M HELL, ZELL!)
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To: muleskinner

Stories like this I put on the banglist. Consider it done. Great Post!


47 posted on 09/08/2004 6:35:05 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: snippy_about_it
Second that.......DOD or Contractor ?........or maybe none of my business........:o)

If he checks in tell him I wish him well.......Stay safe !

48 posted on 09/08/2004 6:51:56 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: fourdeuce82d; Travis McGee; Darksheare

BANG, are you guys on the treadhead list? I didn't notice your names on the original list typed up by Cannoneer no. 4. I must have been added after he typed up the original.


49 posted on 09/08/2004 6:57:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: snippy_about_it; Darksheare; Squantos
FWIW tomorrow morning I am setting in on an armor lessons learned in Iraq seminar. I will post some information out of it sometime in the next few days. The briefing is unclassified, but I will not post anything that could be used by the rag heads.
50 posted on 09/08/2004 7:13:13 PM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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