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Live Thread: Ben Barnes and CBS Attempt Another Bush Smear (60 Minutes) | September 8, 2004

Posted on 09/08/2004 4:39:18 PM PDT by Howlin

Have at him!

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To: savedbygrace

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181 posted on 09/08/2004 5:36:27 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: cyncooper

CBS focused not on the Barnes interview, but on the personal documents kept by George Killian, the President's CO.

At one point, Killian writes a memo entitled "CYA" where he details how he felt that Bush was going over his head regarding his requirements.

Then, Killian issues a direct order for the President to take a physical, and when Bush does not, he issues a flight suspension for failure to take the physical and for violating regulations.

What it leaves you wondering is why a commanding officer would take and leave personal notes on a Guardsman. I would ask Killian, if he was alive "Why would you take home personal memos like that?" The inference is not good.

There may be a reasonable, and legal explanation for all of this, but it will not be spun that way.

Frankly, the President's spokesman didn't do such a great job.

182 posted on 09/08/2004 5:36:32 PM PDT by pacocat
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To: Texasforever

They looked odd, didn't they?

183 posted on 09/08/2004 5:37:24 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: Mike Darancette

GTECH, Barnes terminate contract
By CHIP BROWN / Associated Press
Thursday, February 13, 1997
AUSTIN (AP) - Agreeing that former Texas lieutenant governor Ben Barnes had become a lightning rod for questions involving the Texas Lottery, GTECH Corp. announced Wednesday that it was cutting all business ties with Barnes.

Ben Barnes: John Kerry’s Unbelievable Last-Ditch Weapon
By Lowell Ponte | September 8, 2004

Kerry Keeping Eye On Big Donors

WASHINGTON, June 18, 2004
(CBS) By Beth Lester,
CBS News Political Unit

EXCLUSIVE: The Dirt on Ben Barnes Claims about Bush and the Air National Guard (Part 2)
The Blogspirator ^ | 8/29/04 | adam_az
Posted on 08/29/2004 12:37:39 PM CDT by adam_az

Then consider this quote from the September 2001 issue of Texas Monthly [Ben Barnes talking]:
"I'm not really a lobbyist. I don't represent clients day to day on legislation. I'm more of a crisis manager. I get called when people have a big problem in Washington that they can't solve by passing a bill."

Good old Ben was also very smart...known for only taking cash.

184 posted on 09/08/2004 5:38:10 PM PDT by Maria S ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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185 posted on 09/08/2004 5:38:15 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: rodguy911
Thank you, sir! :^D

186 posted on 09/08/2004 5:38:35 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: mass55th

Yes--these are memos that are "just found", and not part of the Guard record. They are apparently memos that Bush's CO kept....

Why the heck would a CO write these about a Guardsman? That is the question, and it won't be spun well.

187 posted on 09/08/2004 5:40:03 PM PDT by pacocat
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To: Osage Orange

Apparently it is. I tune to Fox News and their kicking the crap out of the other networks! LOL

188 posted on 09/08/2004 5:40:42 PM PDT by SmellsLikeOwen
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To: rodguy911
I don't get any of this, Bush scored more points than necessary, 50 I think, each and every year of his service, every year he was in and everything he did has a paper trail, what is the problem here? I must be missing something.

That's what I keep asking. The year in question 50 units were required; GWB completed 56. What's the problem?

189 posted on 09/08/2004 5:41:13 PM PDT by alnick (US forces armed with what? Spitballs??)
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To: cyncooper

I loved Brit's pressing Wendel Goler about how many debates Clinton agreed to.

Another liberal shill (Goler) exposed by Hume. I'm glad Brit left ABC!!!

190 posted on 09/08/2004 5:41:31 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Donate to the SwiftVets!)
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To: savedbygrace

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191 posted on 09/08/2004 5:42:09 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Rokke

I haven't watched CBS for years unless there is a sporting event I want to see.

192 posted on 09/08/2004 5:42:46 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Howlin
I graduated from college in 1971. After graduation from school, if you were male and medically fit you had three choices.

1. Enlist in the branch of service of your choice.

2. Stand for the draft.

3 If you were wealthy and/or had the proper connections you could enter the Guard. Those were the facts of life.

193 posted on 09/08/2004 5:42:52 PM PDT by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: SmellsLikeOwen
Hehehehe.....Mine tells me to tune in there also..!!


194 posted on 09/08/2004 5:43:31 PM PDT by Osage Orange (NO....!! I'm madder than ZELL...and I'm NOT going to take it anymore..!!!)
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To: bitt

Thank you very much.

195 posted on 09/08/2004 5:43:54 PM PDT by cyncooper (We're mad as Zell and we're not going to take it anymore!)
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To: mass55th

Agree... Where did they come from? Who do they belong to? Why were they made available at this time? Is this all the documents held by whoever owns them? Are there others that might be exculpatory to the allegations made tonight? This is a campaign advertisement disguised as a "news" program...

196 posted on 09/08/2004 5:44:04 PM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: cyncooper; TomGuy; hole_n_one

Can some of you guys in the later time zones WATCH this interview and get a GOOD LOOK at those they were typed, where the signature was.....that kind of thing?

A screen grab would be great!

Who else does screen captures?

197 posted on 09/08/2004 5:44:13 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: A Citizen Reporter

This is just putting down all the people who served in the National Guard. They should organize and respond and not be defined by others as their service being anything less than honorable. This is in the same category as putting down our allies when those bozos keep saying we went it alone in Iraq.

198 posted on 09/08/2004 5:44:39 PM PDT by maxter
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To: Howlin

Relax folks. This NG stuff and the upcoming Kitty Kelley stuff is going nowhere. I think there is alot of stuff that is coming up on Kerry and the MSM had to fire their last topedo before Kerry implodes.

And as much as I hate to say this, next week at this time (probably Monday or Tuesday) all of this coverage will probably be blown away by 24 hour coverage of Hurricane Ivan as it looks like it's going to hit somewhere in the Gulf. The media went ape over a Cat 2 storm in Florence they will probably be having orgasms in covering a Cat 4 storm in Ivan if it stays that strong.

199 posted on 09/08/2004 5:45:29 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Timeout

Three factors: Bush signed Form 180 to have all his records released. If he thought there was anything harmful in them, he never would have signed the form. On the other hand, Kerry has refused to sign Form 180. What does that tell you?

200 posted on 09/08/2004 5:46:04 PM PDT by mass55th ( “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”)
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