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Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard [post 47]
NYTIMES ^ | 09/09/04 | KATHARINE Q. SEELYE and RALPH BLUMENTHAL

Posted on 09/08/2004 8:10:56 PM PDT by Pikamax

September 9, 2004 Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE and RALPH BLUMENTHAL

ASHINGTON, Sept. 8 - President Bush's Vietnam-era service in the National Guard came under renewed scrutiny on Wednesday as newfound documents emerged from his squadron commander's file that suggested favorable treatment.

At the same time, a once powerful Texas Democrat came forward to say that he had "abused my position of power" by helping Mr. Bush and others join the Guard.

Democrats also worked to stoke the issue with a new advertisement by a Texas group that featured a former lieutenant colonel, Bob Mintz, who said he never saw Mr. Bush in the period he transferred from the Texas Air National Guard to the Alabama Air National Guard.

The documents, obtained by the "60 Minutes" program at CBS News from the personal files of the late Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, Mr. Bush's squadron commander in Texas, suggest that Lieutenant Bush did not meet his performance standards and received favorable treatment.

One document, a "memo to file" dated May 1972 , refers to a conversation between Colonel Killian and Lieutenant Bush when they "discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now through November," because the lieutenant "may not have time."

The memo said the commander had worked to come up with options, "but I think he's also talking to someone upstairs."

Colonel Killian wrote in another report, dated Aug. 1, 1972, that he ordered Lieutenant Bush "suspended from flight status" because he failed to perform to standards of the Air Force and Texas Air National Guard and "failure to meet annual physical examination (flight) as ordered."

Colonel Killian also wrote in a memo that his superiors were forcing him to give Lieutenant Bush a favorable review, but that he refused.

"I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job," he wrote.

CBS, which reported on the memos on "The CBS Evening News" and "60 Minutes," declined to say how it obtained the documents.

Dan Bartlett, the White House communications director, said in an interview with CBS, the full transcript of which the White House released on Wednesday night, that Mr. Bush had fulfilled his service and received an honorable discharge. Mr. Bartlett did not dispute the authenticity of the memos but said, "When you are talking about a memo to somebody's self - this is a memo to his own file - people are trying to read the mind of somebody who is no longer with us."

He called the release of the files politically motivated.

"Every time President Bush gets near another election, all the innuendo and rumors about President Bush's service in the National Guard come to the forefront," he said.

Separately, former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes of Texas voiced regret for what he said was helping the privileged escape service in Vietnam.

"I'm not particularly proud of what I did," said Mr. Barnes, who in the 1960's was speaker of the Texas House at 26 and lieutenant governor at 30. "While I understand why parents wanted to shield their sons from danger, I abused my position of power by helping only those who knew me or had access to me."

Mr. Barnes, 66, an adviser to Senator John Kerry's campaign and an influential lobbyist with offices in Austin and Washington, said in a interview with The New York Times that he had intervened to get Mr. Bush, as well as other well-connected young men, into the Guard in 1968. He made similar comments on "60 Minutes" on Wednesday.

Mr. Barnes maintained, as he has since 1999, that he had contacted his friend who headed the Texas Air National Guard, Brig. Gen. James Rose, not at the behest of anyone in the Bush family, but rather a Houston businessman, Sidney A. Adger, a friend of the Bushes who has died.

"Yes, I called Rose to get George Bush into the Guard, I've said that," Mr. Barnes said in his office last week in Austin. "I called Rose for other sons of prominent families, and I'm not proud of it now."

Anticipating his remarks, Republicans worked to discredit Mr. Barnes as a partisan Democrat and large contributor to Mr. Kerry. The events created a new round of scrutiny for Mr. Bush, after a month in which Mr. Kerry's Vietnam service dominated the campaign because of veterans with longstanding anger at how Mr. Kerry, who was a decorated veteran, came home and turned against the war. With advertisements, through a book and on talk shows, the group, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, leveled largely unsubstantiated accusations about Mr. Kerry's record and his antiwar statements.

Democrats were unabashed about turning the spotlight on Mr. Bush. Terry McAuliffe, the Democratic chairman, said in a conference call with reporters the party would keep Mr. Bush's Guard record before the public.

The events unfolded a day after the Pentagon, prompted by a lawsuit filed by The Associated Press, released a series of records on Mr. Bush's service, even though the White House had said this year that it had released all the records.

Mr. Bartlett said that the documents "demonstrate that he served his country, he logged hundreds and hundreds of hours as a fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard."

Mr. Bartlett rejected the suggestion based on Colonel Killian's files that Mr. Bush did not meet the performance standards. He said Mr. Bush did not have a physical examination because he was not going to be flying planes anymore, because his unit no longer flew the planes that Mr. Bush was trained on.

"Every step of the way, President Bush was meeting his requirements, granted permission to meet his requirements," Mr. Bartlett said.

A new commercial, produced by a group of Democrats, Texans for Truth, is to begin on Monday in five swing states that have lost high numbers of soldiers in Iraq. It features a former lieutenant colonel in the Alabama Guard, Bob Mintz, who lives in Tennessee. He told a columnist for The New York Times, Nicholas D. Kristof, for a column published on Wednesday, that he was actively looking for Lieutenant Bush at the Alabama base in the 1970's, because he had heard that Lieutenant Bush was a fellow bachelor who might like to party with him and other pilots. In the spot, Mr. Mintz said neither he nor his friends ever saw Mr. Bush.

"It would be impossible to be unseen in a unit of that size," he says.

The unit had 20 to 30 pilots.

In a conference call with reporters on Wednesday, Mr. Mintz was pressed about his recollections and whether he might have missed seeing Mr. Bush, possibly because Mr. Bush was no longer flying at that point and was working in an office position. Mr. Mintz said repeatedly he never saw Lieutenant Bush.

Asked for friends' names who could vouch that they never saw Lieutenant Bush, Mr. Mintz declined, saying he did not have their permission to make their names public.

Glenn Smith, the main figure in Texans for Truth, said he wanted to make the spot because he was angry over the Swift Boat veterans.

Steve Schmidt of the Bush campaign said that Texans for Truth was linked to the Kerry campaign in potential violation of campaign finance laws, saying the group was "made possible by contributions" from Moveon.org, another advocacy group that opposes Mr. Bush.

Mr. Smith said that Moveon.org had financed another group that he had founded, Drivedemocracy.org, but that neither had given money to the Texans, though he said that Moveon.org had put a link on its Web site to the Texans and sent e-mail messages to its members in Texas urging them to donate to the Texans.

Mr. Smith said the Texans raised more than $300,000 in 24 hours, with one contribution for $100,000 and most of the rest in $25 donations.

Adding to the picture of Mr. Bush's service, The Boston Globe reported on Wednesday that he fell short of meeting his military requirements and was not disciplined despite irregular attendance at required drills.

The paper said Mr. Bush signed documents in July 1973, before he left Houston for the Harvard Business School, promising to meet his training commitments or be punished by being called up to active duty.

Mr. Bartlett said on Wednesday that Mr. Bush was given permission to attend Harvard. He said that if there were any requirements Mr. Bush was not meeting, "the National Guard at the federal level, the state level and the local level, they all knew where he was."

Katharine Q. Seelye reported from Washingtonfor this article, and Ralph Blumenthal from Houston. Raymond Bonner contributed reporting from Houston


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To: Pikamax; Howlin; Buckhead
It's been one year. Take a moment to reflect. History started here.
251 posted on 09/08/2005 10:51:54 AM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: RayChuang88
This story will be dead within one week, in my humble opinion.

How's that helping of crow?

252 posted on 09/28/2005 7:33:49 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Politicalities

Our Finest Hour.


253 posted on 09/28/2005 7:35:04 AM PDT by dfwgator (Flower Mound, TX)
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254 posted on 10/19/2005 12:30:18 AM PDT by counterpunch ("Either You're With Bush Or You're With The Terrorists" - Get The Bumpersticker!)
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To: counterpunch

Crash cart bump ... keeping it alive! :-)


255 posted on 11/21/2005 5:18:45 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: undercoveroperative; Buckhead; kristinn; conservative in nyc

undercoveroperative
Since Sep 9, 2004

Another single poster. Interesting handle, eh?


256 posted on 11/21/2005 6:32:44 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: AmJon; Buckhead; kristinn

AmJon - banned.


257 posted on 11/21/2005 6:33:42 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Pikamax

Come off it everybody! This President is going through this valley of despair for 2 reasons. The leftist press and most of the democrats are treasonous traitors that have been trying to sell this country down the river for 40 years. Meanwhile the RINO gutless right cuts and runs whenever they see a democrat shadow. I believe President Bush is a better President than we deserve and I don't care if I am the last 1% to support him. This Vietnam era stuff is nothing but a smokescreen for all the elements that hate America, her military and every thing they stand for.


258 posted on 11/21/2005 6:37:03 PM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: Pikamax

On and on with this vicious, irrelvant idle bather. These attacks will never stop until the dumb Repubs move their butts and start slinging mud back at the Dems.

Maybe Harry reid visited some of those brothels back in Nevada or took money from Madams or the Mafiafrom those casinos.

What about Teddy the Swimmer? Is he still drinking and whoring around??


What about more relevant dirt on the Dems dealing with corruption?

They should be investigating each and every one of those rats to uncover ANYTHING that will stick.

And what about the WMD?? We KNOW they were there. WHERE did they go?? Syria?? Maybe Lybia?? There are somewhere.

I can't anymore of these d@mn attacks on Repubs and the Administration by the press, leftists and RINOs. I can't take any more of the devil may care attitude of the Repubs towars all this.

WHEN are they going to strike back??


259 posted on 11/21/2005 6:59:00 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
This story will be dead within one week, in my humble opinion.

----- How's that helping of crow?

******

ROFL

260 posted on 11/22/2005 2:00:31 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? // “Victory is not an exit strategy”)
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To: Buckhead

1st bump of 2006

wallcrawlr has been archived to history now ;)


261 posted on 01/15/2006 7:32:34 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com/)
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To: wallcrawlr
Link to thread about the events of Memogate/Rathergate now memorialized in Bill Sammons new book:

STRATEGERY: BUSH CHEERS DECLINE OF MAINSTREAM MEDIA, RISE OF ALTERNATIVE PRESS

"I wonder if Drudge will "release" the part of Sammon's book about how FREEPERS at FreeRepublic uncovered Dan Rather's duplicity w/forged documents."
"You'll find Sammon's account of the Freepers and what they uncovered on p.144 of his book, "Stategery". And he names names!! "Carolinamom

262 posted on 02/28/2006 1:44:03 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: wallcrawlr

Second bump back at ya.


263 posted on 07/12/2006 12:53:52 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg
An oldy and a goody.

L

264 posted on 07/12/2006 1:01:43 AM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Congressman Pence. What is he milking squids for the ink?)
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To: Lurker

Ah heck, bump it again.

I think one day school children will read about Post 47.


265 posted on 07/12/2006 1:17:21 AM PDT by radiohead (Hey Kerry, I'm still here; still hating your lying, stinking, guts you coward.)
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To: radiohead

Bump for posterity. This thread still gives me glee.


266 posted on 07/24/2006 9:22:48 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: Lurker
Allow me to use a Dan Ratherism:

"You're twisting the knife like you were dressing out the top of a razor back hog"

267 posted on 07/24/2006 9:44:51 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Buckhead

Bump after Al-Reuters is busted in another episode in the long saga of faked news by the Lame-stream-media. The world owes you, Buckhead!


268 posted on 08/07/2006 9:32:51 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Pray for our President and for our heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around the world!)
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To: Buckhead; Coop; Cap Huff
Bumping this post again two years out..
269 posted on 09/06/2006 5:55:43 AM PDT by Dog (Crikey!)
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To: Buckhead

BUMP!!


270 posted on 09/21/2007 7:50:43 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: TXHubbard

The infamous “Post 47” that blew the Rathergate story wide open.


271 posted on 01/29/2008 1:03:48 PM PST by r-q-tek86 (If your not taking flak, your not over the target.)
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To: r-q-tek86

Wow. This is akin to watching Thomas Jefferson draft the Declaration of Independence.


272 posted on 01/29/2008 1:12:03 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Howlin

I have eight files that I downloaded from democrats.com that show where these really came from.

One of them is a letter or article from Burkette that still is on their site. It is located at the following link and shows that Burkette was involved in developing this stuff.

If you would like all 8 of the files, I can email them or burn a disk with them, and mail it to you.

I got all the files from this site, so you may still be able to find them there.

http://www.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=23055


273 posted on 01/29/2008 1:44:27 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Politicalities
It's been one year. Take a moment to reflect

see post 273 and pass it on.

274 posted on 01/29/2008 1:52:11 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Howlin; Buckhead; Politicalities

If you follow the other links, you will see the document project as a work in progress.

There are partial copies of the documents as they are being developed.


275 posted on 01/29/2008 2:00:15 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Buckhead

Just gravy training here. Most of Dan Rather’s lawsuit against CBS was thrown out of court today. Three and a half years later and this post still reverberates.

Thank you Buckhead!


276 posted on 04/10/2008 8:00:24 PM PDT by Subsonic22
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To: Howlin

buuuuuuuummmp !!


277 posted on 05/13/2008 7:58:34 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO makes me wanna reach across the aisle, too. And SLAP some sense into the fools !!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

bump


278 posted on 08/26/2009 9:16:57 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Pikamax

blast from the past and now the future

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2324826/posts


279 posted on 08/26/2009 9:19:12 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives; Buckhead; y'all

Buckheads ORIGINAL post #47 that broke the RatherGate
story!

back atcha bump! bump! bump!


280 posted on 08/26/2009 9:31:14 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: MeekOneGOP

bump back good find.


281 posted on 08/26/2009 9:41:55 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Buckhead

Buckhead incident mentioned today here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2504598/posts

“Helen Thomas simply longs for the days when reporters and pundits could report spin, lies and opinion as fact and were never held accountable outside of page A-16 retractions.

“The new media’s finest moment came when in 2004 CBS’s Dan Rather attempted to influence a national election (much like his predecessor Walter Cronkite did with the Vietnam War after the Tet Offensive), but unlike then, now there is a new media filled with grassroots activists who were going to hold the old media accountable and one of those activists on the Conservative Site Free-Republic under the handle “Buckhead,” was able to expose Rather’s “official documents” concerning Bush’s service in the Texas Air National Guard as forgeries. Rather eventually lost his job as a result.


282 posted on 05/01/2010 9:15:30 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Buckhead

Bump for old glory days.

When are ya gonna buy me Chinese?????!????


283 posted on 04/30/2012 12:43:57 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Admin Moderator refuses to let me hit it. -- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2875871/posts)
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To: Lazamataz

bi-annual bump to a historic FR post, Post 47


284 posted on 09/04/2014 4:50:08 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: RayChuang88

On the very day John Kerry’s mumbling about running for pres again in 2016... this appears:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3200698/posts?q=1&;page=41

An attempt at historic revisionism- the libs are making a movie about Mr Fake but Accurate’s career crash.


285 posted on 09/04/2014 9:23:46 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Buckhead

Talking about making this Dan Rather incident a movie. Year 2014. Memory bump to see if they include one of the most important discoveries as a fact in the movie.


286 posted on 09/04/2014 9:55:00 PM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: Buckhead

Wow. 10 years has flown by.
I just showed the famous post #47 to my 14 yr. son.
Try as they may - they just can’t rewrite history on this one.
I hope the past decade has been kind to you.


287 posted on 09/04/2014 10:05:26 PM PDT by Scotswife
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