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Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard [post 47]
NYTIMES ^ | 09/09/04 | KATHARINE Q. SEELYE and RALPH BLUMENTHAL

Posted on 09/08/2004 8:10:56 PM PDT by Pikamax

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To: Juke2; Buckhead
I was certainly using an IBM typewriter, with proportional pitch type-balls by 1969. At the time, I was working at a very low-budget publication, where most of the staff never drew a salary. We could afford the typewriter, though.

I don't think you've actually caught anything here.

Fantastic insight juke2. Dan Rather is desperately trying to contact you.



Sorry, couldn't help myself...

151 posted on 09/10/2004 9:46:41 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Buckhead

Buckhead is my little brother. I am bursting with pride. You have busted the left's crooked agenda, singlehandedly. It's monumental! I hope you get a fantastic job offer. You deserve it. Hey, I didn't come close to catching it and I've worked with type, typesetters, etc. for 30 years. You Dah Man!!! (Can I be your agent?)


152 posted on 09/10/2004 9:48:03 AM PDT by bukkdems
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To: Mears

bump


153 posted on 09/10/2004 9:51:05 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Buckhead

Nice :-)
Seriously think about trademarking "This should be pursued aggressively", ya'll make millions!!!


154 posted on 09/10/2004 10:37:03 AM PDT by mr lawson
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To: Buckhead

Bump and many thanks for your outstanding contribution. This thread may well be referenced in history books 50 years from now.


155 posted on 09/10/2004 2:23:24 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: Without Barbarians

Read post #47 written 2 days ago.


156 posted on 09/10/2004 2:47:39 PM PDT by Mears
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Good going you guys!!!!
Power to the people :)


157 posted on 09/10/2004 2:50:26 PM PDT by Twostellas
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To: Juke2
"I was certainly using an IBM typewriter, with proportional pitch type-balls by 1969..."

I think you are mistaken.

"Proportional pitch" in ball-type writers would require that every letter had a different mechanical pitch. Incredible machining required, such that the said ball would likely cost around $30,000 today.

158 posted on 09/10/2004 3:32:08 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Kerry is a traitor)
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To: Pikamax

Create a document in Microsoft Word and type "147th" with no space between the 147 and the th. It will automatically superscript the th. Now type "147 th" with a space between the 147 and the th. It will not superscript the th. If you look at the letters both forms occur and they are consistent with what Microsoft Word does. When there is no space, the th is superscript. When there is a space, the th is not superscript. These memos were written in Microsoft Word.


159 posted on 09/10/2004 4:06:27 PM PDT by abadeo (written in Microsoft Word)
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To: abadeo
I had to add myself to this now famous thread.

Here's the lost memo that Dan didn't release:


160 posted on 09/10/2004 4:45:11 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: Pikamax

Yet another anomoly: there is only one space between sentences (well, the last two, which are the only back to bac sentences). That is an artifact of word processing software. Typists (even hunt and peck typists) would have most likely used the traditional two spaces between sentences.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/reality_hammer/170376.html


161 posted on 09/10/2004 6:26:55 PM PDT by Stupendous_man (The Reality Hammer blog: making Team Franken weep with depression)
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To: Buckhead

You are an awesome investigator, Buckhead, and I'm proud to be your fellow FReeper!

This thread and the posted links have been so much fun to read - you can bet I'll be forwarding the links to others.


162 posted on 09/10/2004 7:33:16 PM PDT by Otta B Sleepin
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

Hillary has them LOL!!!!


163 posted on 09/10/2004 7:34:47 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: Thud
She also says that none of the "ball" typewriters she ever used had special characters such as the "th" for use in "#th"".

And she's absolutely correct.

Signed,
DOE, Former NYC Publications Typesetter, 1982-1988

164 posted on 09/10/2004 7:43:28 PM PDT by DaughterofEve (W)
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To: Pikamax; Buckhead

You great post is now linked here: http://news.zdnet.com/2102-3513_22-5362393.html?tag=printthis


165 posted on 09/10/2004 7:55:57 PM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: Buckhead; ThinkDifferent

"This thread may well be referenced in history books 50 years from now."

Indeed it may. The post heard 'round the world.

Buckhead, you may well have saved Western Civilization.

No, I'm not exagerrating. Basically, I never do that.

You've put a big, fat, finger in their self-regarding eye, and a stick in Kerry's spokes, at the very least.

Who's better than you? NOBODY!


166 posted on 09/10/2004 8:33:48 PM PDT by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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To: ThinkDifferent
This thread may well be referenced in history books 50 years from now.

What Buckhead did is truly the epic triumph of the de-massification of the media that Alvin Toffler prophesized some 25 years ago in The Third Wave.

If we do find out that the memos were hoaxes created by a Kerry campaign operative, it will effectively DOOM Senator Kerry's campaign since American voters will suddenly become MUCH more critical of the mainstream press that seems to be so supportive of Kerry. It is also final vindication of Bernard Goldberg's two books about his criticisms of the mainstream press.

I am truly a witness to history in the making.

167 posted on 09/10/2004 8:44:19 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: Buckhead

BUMP!!!


168 posted on 09/10/2004 8:44:40 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: Buckhead

Adding belated kudos to you for getting the ball rolling. It's now the size of CBS, and picking up even more debris as it merrily rolls right over Rather./


169 posted on 09/10/2004 9:07:56 PM PDT by Veto! (Kerry wears a tutu, TeRAYza wears the pants)
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To: Buckhead

do you realize how many left wingers ya pissed off?....bwahhaaahahaha


171 posted on 09/10/2004 9:15:42 PM PDT by paltz
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To: Buckhead
I just wanted to add my kudos, here on the early morning hours of September 11th. I hope you realize what you have done:

1. You have nailed Dan Rather and CBS. Something every conservative has wanted to do for 25 years.

2. You have added to the prestige of free republic

3. You have effected the presidential election of 2004.

And it was all caused by a font. This sure is a whacky world.

172 posted on 09/10/2004 9:29:25 PM PDT by fhayek (Spitball veteran for Bush)
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To: Buckhead

I sent a complaint to the fcc: fccinfo@fcc.gov "Complaint concerning CBS's known fraud and continuing cover-up"
Fat chance this will do anything, (and this was before the amazing CYA last night!)
I am a computer person, and I showed the .pdf's to over 10 others as a blind test and they ALL immediately saw the obvious forgery. Why didn't the well-paid brain trust at CBS?
I believe, like Hugh Hewitt and the Powerline gang, that journalists are lazy, stupid half-educated dolts -- a thoroughly worthless breed.
It's interesting that the blogosphere's high-end neighborhood is comprised of brilliant conservative lawyers and law professors, and few journalists. The journalists are just thoroughly outmatched in brain power by the blogosphere. (I am not a lawyer, but a geologist, for full disclosure's sake)

Thank you, Buckhead.

Let's remember, on 9/11, this is why the First Amendment is so important, and why it is presently under attack by the Left.


173 posted on 09/10/2004 11:45:20 PM PDT by westtexasjew
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To: Buckhead

I receive e-mail from a Lt.Col. in the Marines stationed in Iraq at Camp Victory. Someone e-mailed her today regarding the forgeries and she sent his remarks to all of us. I then wrote and told her I knew who got the ball rolling and I'd send her the thread with your now famous post #47.

This thread and post #47 are now on it's way to Iraq!

Are you enjoying your (maybe more than) 15 minutes of fame, LOL?


174 posted on 09/11/2004 1:15:13 AM PDT by valleygal
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To: Buckhead

Buckhead:

If we're judged by the company we keep, FReepers, such as yourself, are indeed great company.

OLA


175 posted on 09/11/2004 4:51:50 AM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican (An ANG Airmen First Class was promoted more times than LIEutenant junior grade John F'n Kerry.)
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To: Buckhead

Bookmark for posterity. Way to go, Buckhead!


176 posted on 09/11/2004 5:22:14 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: nutmeg; Buckhead
See post 47

The now famous "post 47" to which ABC refers.

177 posted on 09/11/2004 6:25:20 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: NYCVirago

I think these documents are forgeries. If they were not, they could easily get many of the other reports signed by Killian during that time to see if the type is the same.


178 posted on 09/11/2004 7:38:29 AM PDT by AAGabriel (Vestigia nulla retrorsum)
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To: xrp

bttt


179 posted on 09/11/2004 7:55:50 AM PDT by orlop9
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To: Pikamax
In the vein of 'connecting the dots' and tracing back the source of these documents ... I came across this posting from littlegreenfootballs Post # 431:
Post #431

Splatt3r9unk 9/10/2004 12:05AM PST

After doing some research (more than CBS did) I have a forgery suspect. Is AWOL the source of these fraudulent documents? Of course this is only a suspicion and my opinion, but there are some things here that make me want to know more about the people behind this site and if they dabble in docs. I wonder if there is anything on this site that resembles the fake documents. Do you think?

Here is a quote from the site...
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And there are the haunting voices of Lieutenant Colonel William D. Harris Jr. and Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian, both dead, whose reports state that they could not fill out Bush?s annual evaluation because, ''Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of report.?
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...from a page that was last updated Sunday, July 30, 2000. It is almost word for word what the fake documents said. Very strange!

Then I did a little google search for the Copyright owners Coldfeet Press which lead me to this page page which in turn lead me to this site and after skimming the crap from the turds guess where I ended up?

THAT RIGHT! The Democrats website and their Smoking Jet Campaign. Something is definitely smoking but I believe it is a burning swift boat.

BURN AND SINK BABY!

Splatter In The Couv

BTW, good job guys ...
180 posted on 09/11/2004 9:04:04 AM PDT by _Jim (s <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Buckhead

Thanks Buckhead. I'm a current reservist, and keeping track of where personnel are from month-to-month is difficult. All of the officers in my unit confirm that no officer would write these kinds of memos.

I can't wait to hear CBS continue to try to defend these memos tonight. They have enough rope to hang the entire network and the Kerry campaign! How much more do they want? Are they really so tonedeaf as to think that even if this stuff was true, anyone (not retarded) would care?

This campaign is hilarious!

Good job, and rock on!


181 posted on 09/11/2004 9:50:12 AM PDT by plasminman (I'm ready! I'm ready!)
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

WHAT IS KERRY HIDING!!!!!

answer: Kamp Kerry just realized they need to buy a new antique typewriter. Thier MicrosofWord 1973 is not going to cut it.


182 posted on 09/11/2004 9:51:49 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Pikamax

The NYT times is a ship of fools.

How many of the OTHER DOCUMENTS ARE FRAUDS?

do they distinguish documents the media provided the WH and then the WH provided to other media outlets?

NYT get over it. KERRY LIED ABOUT HIS WOUNDS, KERRY LIED ABOUT HIS SELF NOMINATED MEDALS. No amount of focus on the fighter pilot George Bush will change KERRY LIED!


183 posted on 09/11/2004 9:54:22 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: plasminman; Buckhead; Howlin
Pulled this from another thread:(An animated demostration of how it was done complete with sound....awesome::::

___________________________________________________________________________

Phil Dragoo has provide a link which shows us how this forgery was done on a computer with MS Word 2002.

Go to the link and see what Howlin told us, unfold in about one minute.

http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf

48 posted on 09/11/2004 6:25:59 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)

184 posted on 09/11/2004 10:50:09 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!
This is great. CNN is on the way back from the black hole they've been in for the last 5 years.


185 posted on 09/11/2004 11:04:22 AM PDT by marsdud
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To: _Jim; Grampa Dave; The Bandit; Howlin; Buckhead; TankerKC; doug from upland
Coldfeet Press

HQ in Clinton Iowa..... hometown of Marty Heldt.......author of the FOIA on all of Bush's records......

186 posted on 09/11/2004 11:09:10 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: marsdud; PhilDragoo

What an outstanding piece of work.....see my effort at connecting the dots just above.


187 posted on 09/11/2004 11:11:29 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; PhilDragoo

Lets recap Phils thread again:

Phil Dragoo has provided us with the incredible link below that will show us how the forgery was done.

Go to the link and just sit back and watch the forgery recreated in about one minute. If freepers like this, please send it to your email lists. Then next week send it to advertisers of this POS 60 Minutes of Forgery and Lies. Then ask them if they really want to be associated with forgers and liars trying to illegally impact a presidential election.

http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf


188 posted on 09/11/2004 11:15:00 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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To: Grampa Dave

My postman, who does not have a computer, was telling me about Rather still sticking to his story, even though it is known to be wrong, I then told him...... the word from the internet is getting around.


189 posted on 09/11/2004 11:43:22 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Pikamax

ping to you for the latest.


190 posted on 09/11/2004 11:44:12 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Each minute, hour and day that Blather and C BS stick to their lies about the forgeries, the more harm they are doing to Kerry and the survival of ABCNNBC BS as NEWSNOT organizations.


191 posted on 09/11/2004 11:47:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If this forgery is tracked back to Marty Heldt, and he is proven to be the forger, he is in real trouble.

The rats have a long history of handling those who embarass them on national or state level.

He will become a leper, hated by the right and the left in his community.


192 posted on 09/11/2004 11:50:05 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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To: Howlin; Buckhead; All

AWESOME JOB!!!! Great thanks are due to you and everyone else who helped here! :D

It's not every day that "the common man" (Teresa Heinz-Kerry's words for us little people ;) can cause a national firestorm that is likely to have repercussions in the political and journalism worlds for YEARS to come!

This election was already beginning to tip in Bush's favor. In exposing the lengths to which the Democrats are willing to go to win an election, and the willingness of their allies in the liberal media to sacrifice the truth in order to support these efforts, you may have dropped the election solidly into Bush's lap! Our nation and our children are in your debt.



A few observations and questions of my own...

It should be easy to cross check Mr. Killian's signature on these questionable documents against the known-to-be-genuine documents concerning the President's stint in the National Guard that have already been released by the Pentagon. After seeing how simplistically these potential forgeries seem to have been created, I think it's likely that an image of his signature may have been lifted from an authentic document and pasted/inserted into these documents. Any handwriting expert would agree that signatures are always similar, but no one can sign their name in EXACTLY the same way any two times. If an exact match can be found between any signature on the questionable and any authentic documents, it would prove that the signature was lifted from a genuine document and placed into a forgery. I'd do the comparison myself, but I don't have access to pdf copies of the documents released by the Pentagon.

It isn't a sufficient answer for Mr. Matley -- or CBS -- to say that other document specialists may not have good enough copies to work with. The clear _implication_ is that other experts are seeing things that are not in the original, or vice versa. This is too important to be left to mere implications; the truth must be known. For example, some have mentioned the presence of curly apostrophes, rather than the 70's era straight apostrophes. Is it CBS's and Mr. Matley's specific claim that the apostrophes on the original are not curly, but only appear to be so in the copies that are available? If so, they should state that specifically. Or far better yet, release accurate digital images of these documents so that others can examine them properly. It's not that hard guys. This is the computer age!

I've already heard that this or that model of 1972-era typewriter could do superscript or variable-width spacing. Again, that is not good enough. Since it isn't plausible that more than one typewriter was used to write these documents, I'd like to know specifically which ONE model could create ALL of the Word-type anomalies that are seen in these documents! Which model typewriter can type variable width letters in Palatino (or whichever it is believed to be) font, has smaller, superscripted 'th' key(s), uses curly apostrophes, etc? In light of the evidence against these documents, the burden is on CBS to present a typewriter model that the National Guard used in the early 70's that is capable of creating these documents, and if they cannot do so, the story should be withdrawn with an apology to the American public.

Isn't it the obligation of a news medium to demonstrate the utter veracity of a 'news' story that smears someone, rather than the responsibility of someone else to prove it false? Do journalism schools teach that stories are 'ready for air' once a reporter can demonstrate that he has found the truth, or only after he is convinced that no one can prove him wrong? This is a real difference, and I'll wager it's the former. In saying that they will stick by their story unless and until someone else proves it wrong, CBS is avoiding it's journalistic responsibility in this matter.


P.S. I joined this site just to say thanks to you all, but I think I'll stick around now. ; )


193 posted on 09/11/2004 1:34:06 PM PDT by TheConrad
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To: Pikamax

This has turned quire funny. The only ones that should be concerned, if this were true, are VN vets. Most of us know this kind of thing went on and most of us don't care. It was a watse of time that will now cost them the whole election.


194 posted on 09/11/2004 1:39:19 PM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 2D Combined Action Group Viet Nam 70-71)
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To: chesty_puller

Chris Matthews is now attacking the story of the POW Vets hearing the name of Kerry from their NK tormentors. MSNBC 2 to 3 PDT today , hoped someone else saw it!


195 posted on 09/11/2004 2:55:15 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
From a Dec 25, 2003 posting/article containing an article dated November 4, 2000 by Bob Fertik -

2000? Yes ... 2000 ...

Pertinent excerpt:

Bush Aides Possibly Altered
National Guard Records
To Conceal Grounding and Missed Duty

by Bob Fertik
November 4, 2000

According to Democrats.com, Bush's grounding would normally have been reviewed by a Flight Inquiry Board of three senior officers, but there is no record that such a board was convened in Bush's case. Democrats.com has called for Bush to reveal his full military records, to put these and other charges to rest. Moreover, Democrats.com and TomPaine.com have revealed that Bush did not report for duty for at least a year after he stopped flying, and possibly two years. Bush's official record shows no duty after April 1972, and his superior officers in both Alabama and Texas say they never saw him after that.

An official report issued on April 30, 1973 says "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of this report," from May 1 1972 to April 30, 1973.

...

Internet activists led by Iowa farmer Martin Heldt and retired Air National Guard pilot Bob Rogers have been campaigning to expose Bush's failure to report for duty since May 23, 2000, when the Boston Globe first reported on a "one-year gap" in Bush's military duty. Heldt created a discussion board at Salon Magazine charging that Bush was "AWOL", which spurred an explosion of grassroots Internet activism.

Does the bolded wording in the above sound familiar?

I think this 'document' has been lying around for awhile, looking for a 'market' - and they finally found one in SeeBS ...

196 posted on 09/11/2004 3:06:42 PM PDT by _Jim (s <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim

I think they started back in 1999...


197 posted on 09/11/2004 3:51:02 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: _Jim
And we have this from:

www.timeswatch.org

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Bill Burkett

• February 13 -- Globe Bashes Burkett's Anti-Bush Story: Will the NYT React?
The NYT-affiliated Boston Globe disputes allegations by Bill Burkett on Bush's National Guard record. The Times found Burkett sufficiently credible to use as the basis for a 1,000-word anti-Bush story Thursday. With Burkett's credibility now in question, will the Times follow up?

• February 12 -- Old Anti-Bush Whine in New Bottle
The Times squeezes 1,050-words out of old allegations about Bush's National Guard service from a source who last year wrote on Iraq: "I feel sickness that today another massive group of people, held worthless by this anointed king, will be trampled upon like grapes. But their blood will not be rendered into wine."

 

E-mail TimesWatch Director, Clay Waters, with TimesWatch feedback at cwaters@mediaresearch.org

 

 

198 posted on 09/11/2004 4:30:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: thoughtomator; Pikamax; Viet-Boat-Rider; 68skylark; Ben Chad; Drango; sinkspur; Grampa Dave

Diggin for stuff down here....who is Burkett?


199 posted on 09/11/2004 4:34:07 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Excerpt from http://michael-friedman.com/archives/000139.html dated February 17, 2004:
Who is Bill Burkett?

Former Lt. Colonel Bill Burkett is the man who claims that Bush and the Texas National Guard cleaned out any damaging information in Bush's National Guard files in 1997.

As Kevin Drum explains in an exhaustively researched post, Burkett has a major axe to grind - he blames Bush for the military denying him medical care during an illness in 1998.

However, there is another reason to be skeptical about Burkett. Burkett has strongly held loony left political views. He has written numerous articles espousing his positions and clearly wishes to sway the electorate. This gives him another obvious motive to lie about Bush's National Guard files.

Short answer: Another DUer type.
200 posted on 09/11/2004 7:01:13 PM PDT by _Jim (s <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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