Skip to comments.Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard [Buckhead post 47]
Posted on 09/08/2004 8:10:56 PM PDT by Pikamax
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This is going to be hilarious, because every major news organization is running with this bogus story like it's a new toy on Christmas morning.
Exactly. It seems like that if CBS were concerned about journalistic integrity, instead of smearing Bush, they would have checked out the authenticity of these documents, something you figured out in a quick perusal of them.
Coinkydinks, don't you just love 'em?
It is fun to watch so many of them coming of the "We am not biased" closet at the same time, because all their efforts won't really change voter's opinions.
There's the entrenched Kerry voters and the Bush voters, and the fighting is over the undecided/independents. But the undecided/independents aren't nearly as trusting of the U.S. media as they used to be. Fox News and the Internet have changed the playing field in a most upsetting way for the old-time entrenched liberal U.S. media.
This is not their "good old days" when the very liberal Walter Cronkite could tell Americans "And that's the way it was." with no rebuttal opportunities, and have a very large percentage of the country watching the man called "the must trusted man in America". It's a shifting paradigm!:)
I have read several excellent replies here, but I'm thinking that there is a larger point consider. That is, the dems don't really think that they have a winning issue in the long run, what they have is a RED HERRING to use as a foil of MORAL EQIUIVALENCE.
It's the way they argue. If we make a valid assertion, they parry by (vocally) reversing the charges. And that's the point. They deflect legitimate charges (kerry's cowardice, turning on his fellow swifties and Viet Vets, delusional lies, meeting with the enemy) with minor counter-charges . They hope to get US (or the news consuming public) to focus entirely on the counter-charge. That's their objective. That's their way.
It's important to defend Dubya, but we should keep in mind that the depth of Mr. kerry's depravity is on no scale comparable to NYT or CBS's interpretation of National Guard paperwork vagueries. And that, my friends, should be considered at the beginning of any counter to Guard service inquiries.
This story will be dead within one week, in my humble opinion.
I would like to see someone in the MSM ask Kerry about his early discharge from the Naval Reserves and how that came about?
Further evidence of forgery is given here:
How do we get this to CBS?
Maybe it should go to FoxNews instead. Although actually, I'll bet that ABC and NBC wouldn't mind slamming CBS over a forgery, even if they are partisan.
Do you know how hard it is to center text on a typewriter? Look at the headings of the memos. Perfect.
Even if it's all true, BFD!!!
I guess your point depends upon what you mean by "common use".
I was certainly using an IBM typewriter, with proportional pitch type-balls by 1969. At the time, I was working at a very low-budget publication, where most of the staff never drew a salary. We could afford the typewriter, though.
I don't think you've actually caught anything here.
The mega thread on this issue is http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210702/posts
It has over 400 posts.
I think you are mistaken. There is ample research on this point at the thread referenced just above. The Selectric used monospaced fonts, but could vary between 10 and 12 cpi, which was referred to as "pitch." To get proportionally spaced fonts you had to get an IBM Selectric Composer, and it was a very expensive machine for typesetting to get documents camera ready. You had to type each line twice and fiddle with knobs and so forth. One mistake and your were screwed and had to start over. There is no frigging way the TANG used a Selectric Composer for personal memos to file. Plus, these memos have superscript, which was not available in that form at that time, and the signatures don't match. It goes on and on.
She says the "ball" typewriters of this period were huge, heavy, and confined to the desks of secretaries who typed constantly. It is unlikely that the Texas National Guard had any during this period.
IMO the proportionately spaced fonts of "ball" typewriters of this period would be distinctive, and easily distinguished from those produced by later specialized word-processors, and modern computers.
ALL THE NEWS THAT'S FIT TO FAKE.
These media lies against Bush make me want to puke.
America Thanks you.
Well, thanks, but it's premature. It's not 100% conclusive because the IBM Executive and IBM Selectric Composer would do proportional fonts. The Composer was almost certainly not used in this case - it was for typesetting for camera ready and was a monumental pain in the rear to use. The Executive is possible, but still not very likely, but that doesn't resolve the other circumstances indicating forgery. As this gets sifted through the day we will eventually come to find out the truth. There's thousands of people working on it now. It's pretty cool how its unfolded.
It would interesting to look at other memos from this Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian from the same time period that are unrelated to Pres. Bush.
All documents from that timeframe should have the same properties....
On the site
There is a copy of the docs that were faxed to the White House. They include the fax number for CBS... (Update 6)
Sounds like fun....
The Texas ANG used a PO Box for an address...
Did anyone notice the PO Box was 34567
5 DIGITS IN A ROW..... Yeah Right.....
Coincidence, my eye....
Tell us the truth-- you're really the Deep Throat in this operation.
Your caution redounds to your credit as much as your keen eye.
I agree that the forgery case isn't yet completely closed, but CBS has a lot of explaining to do if it is to remain open. I expect them to retract the story soon, rather than attempt it.
When they do, please accept my sincere admiration and thanks.
The guy interviewed by ndcjournal.com and the effect of overlaying a brand new MS Word version with the CBS version kind of ice it IMHO.
They are screwed.
As for my part, this tsunami would, without any doubt whatsoever, have happened w/o me, so it ain't no big thang.
I will have a cold one tonight, though.
Awesome Buckhead, just awesome!
Forged! Who knew what and when????
Congratulations, kudos, and best regards to Freeper who made a real difference today!
Indeed! The raised "th" is a dead giveaway. This just wasn't possible on the typewriters of the day. Where's the letterhead? Military paper of the day was not 11" long... where's the tell-tale line at the bottom?
The reply that's rocking the nation BUMP!
YOU TOOK DAN RATHER DOWN.
He must resign.
Applause to you also.
Abusing a position of power comes naturally to liberal Democrats.
as in the tagline.
Easy, Bumpsters. Read this, from a non-partisan source:
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/IBM-Executive-series-typewriter (a.k.a. http://tinyurl.com/5tb25 )
>>>The IBM Electric typewriters were a series of electric typewriters that IBM manufactured, starting in the late 1940s. They used the conventional moving carriage and hammer mechanism. Each model came in both Standard and Executive versions; the Executive differed in having a multiple escapement mechanism and four widths for letters, producing a near typeset quality result. [!!!]
One model of the series was introduced in the late 1940s:
IBM Model A Two models of the series were introduced in the 1950s:
IBM Model B
IBM Model C One model of the series was introduced in the early 1970s:
IBM Model D Modified Standard versions of the A, B, and C models were commonly used as "console typewriters" or terminals on many early computers (e.g., JOHNNIAC, IBM 1620, PDP-1). Following the introduction of the IBM Selectric typewriter in 1961, which was much easier to interface to a computer, these typewriters were rarely used anymore as "console typewriters" or terminals.
"Near typeset quality". I don't mean to rain on any Freeper's parade, and I'm happy to dump on Kerry's, but let's not make a stink about this until we know -- otherwise we lose credibility.
At any rate, it was very observant of you to note this.
And I agree that it would have been no doubt caught by many.
That being said, I cannot help suspect CBS, and their so called experts that examined the articles/documents and then willy nilly aired them. It seems the forgeries were pretty amateur, yet their experts signed off on them?
Is their no protocol to substantiate something before it airs on national television? Hehe. Especially something that would predictably attract hordes with magnifying glasses and skepticism. It'll be interesting to see if CBS, to save face and to shift the blame, will be compelled to reveal their source. A source that appeared to make a complete fool of them, played them like a Texas fiddle.
Thank you, but why?
Bumping for first blood. FR was first in the world to post the likelihood of the Space Shuttle disaster, and no FT has scooped the world on Rathergate.
Congratulations. Thanks for the great job.
Congrats on spotting that!
Bookmark for History.
Kudos to you for getting the ball rolling!
See post 47
Anyone have a Times name and password? I wonder if they retracted this forged story, too.
You da man. Power to the people.