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Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard [Buckhead post 47]
NYTIMES ^ | 09/09/04 | KATHARINE Q. SEELYE and RALPH BLUMENTHAL

Posted on 09/08/2004 8:10:56 PM PDT by Pikamax

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To: NYCVirago

This is going to be hilarious, because every major news organization is running with this bogus story like it's a new toy on Christmas morning.


51 posted on 09/08/2004 9:10:53 PM PDT by Buckhead
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To: Buckhead
This is going to be hilarious, because every major news organization is running with this bogus story like it's a new toy on Christmas morning.

Exactly. It seems like that if CBS were concerned about journalistic integrity, instead of smearing Bush, they would have checked out the authenticity of these documents, something you figured out in a quick perusal of them.

52 posted on 09/08/2004 9:15:53 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
And, isn't it "funny" that 25 "news" articles all coming trickling out at once ... All are treated with "serious: concern and "professional interest" and "warrant investigation" ...

Coinkydinks, don't you just love 'em?

It is fun to watch so many of them coming of the "We am not biased" closet at the same time, because all their efforts won't really change voter's opinions.

There's the entrenched Kerry voters and the Bush voters, and the fighting is over the undecided/independents. But the undecided/independents aren't nearly as trusting of the U.S. media as they used to be. Fox News and the Internet have changed the playing field in a most upsetting way for the old-time entrenched liberal U.S. media.

This is not their "good old days" when the very liberal Walter Cronkite could tell Americans "And that's the way it was." with no rebuttal opportunities, and have a very large percentage of the country watching the man called "the must trusted man in America". It's a shifting paradigm!:)

53 posted on 09/08/2004 9:17:11 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Pikamax

I have read several excellent replies here, but I'm thinking that there is a larger point consider. That is, the dems don't really think that they have a winning issue in the long run, what they have is a RED HERRING to use as a foil of MORAL EQIUIVALENCE.

It's the way they argue. If we make a valid assertion, they parry by (vocally) reversing the charges. And that's the point. They deflect legitimate charges (kerry's cowardice, turning on his fellow swifties and Viet Vets, delusional lies, meeting with the enemy) with minor counter-charges . They hope to get US (or the news consuming public) to focus entirely on the counter-charge. That's their objective. That's their way.

It's important to defend Dubya, but we should keep in mind that the depth of Mr. kerry's depravity is on no scale comparable to NYT or CBS's interpretation of National Guard paperwork vagueries. And that, my friends, should be considered at the beginning of any counter to Guard service inquiries.




54 posted on 09/08/2004 9:25:55 PM PDT by Seaplaner ( "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." Winston Churchill)
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To: Pikamax
Why are they trying to ressurrect essentially a dead horse, especially since the author of the story in the Boston Globe is a paid aide for the Kerry campaign (objective? fat chance!) and the the main accuser (former Texas Lt. Governor Ben Barnes) has a very chequered past?

This story will be dead within one week, in my humble opinion.

55 posted on 09/08/2004 9:38:32 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: Pikamax

I would like to see someone in the MSM ask Kerry about his early discharge from the Naval Reserves and how that came about?


56 posted on 09/08/2004 11:26:40 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Buckhead
For visual comparison: This unrelated gov't memo from 1972 (googled).
57 posted on 09/09/2004 8:24:13 AM PDT by jpers36
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To: Buckhead

Further evidence of forgery is given here:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/007760.php

How do we get this to CBS?


58 posted on 09/09/2004 8:42:03 AM PDT by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969; Buckhead

Maybe it should go to FoxNews instead. Although actually, I'll bet that ABC and NBC wouldn't mind slamming CBS over a forgery, even if they are partisan.


59 posted on 09/09/2004 8:42:56 AM PDT by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969; marblehead17

Do you know how hard it is to center text on a typewriter? Look at the headings of the memos. Perfect.


60 posted on 09/09/2004 8:53:20 AM PDT by Darth Reagan (your lazy butts are in this too)
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To: Pikamax

Even if it's all true, BFD!!!


61 posted on 09/09/2004 8:54:24 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Buckhead

I guess your point depends upon what you mean by "common use".

I was certainly using an IBM typewriter, with proportional pitch type-balls by 1969. At the time, I was working at a very low-budget publication, where most of the staff never drew a salary. We could afford the typewriter, though.

I don't think you've actually caught anything here.


62 posted on 09/09/2004 8:58:11 AM PDT by Juke2 (Not quite...)
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To: mcg1969; All

The mega thread on this issue is http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210702/posts

It has over 400 posts.


63 posted on 09/09/2004 8:58:53 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: Juke2

I think you are mistaken. There is ample research on this point at the thread referenced just above. The Selectric used monospaced fonts, but could vary between 10 and 12 cpi, which was referred to as "pitch." To get proportionally spaced fonts you had to get an IBM Selectric Composer, and it was a very expensive machine for typesetting to get documents camera ready. You had to type each line twice and fiddle with knobs and so forth. One mistake and your were screwed and had to start over. There is no frigging way the TANG used a Selectric Composer for personal memos to file. Plus, these memos have superscript, which was not available in that form at that time, and the signatures don't match. It goes on and on.


64 posted on 09/09/2004 9:02:49 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: Buckhead; Dark Wing
My wife says she used an IBM "ball" typewriter with a porportionately spaced font in 1971, and that it wasn't much good at it. She also says that none of the "ball" typewriters she ever used had special characters such as the "th" for use in "#th".

She says the "ball" typewriters of this period were huge, heavy, and confined to the desks of secretaries who typed constantly. It is unlikely that the Texas National Guard had any during this period.

IMO the proportionately spaced fonts of "ball" typewriters of this period would be distinctive, and easily distinguished from those produced by later specialized word-processors, and modern computers.

65 posted on 09/09/2004 9:29:10 AM PDT by Thud
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To: mcg1969
Here's a link to other contemporary documents. It seems Mr. Killian had a better typwriter than the fighter group's HQ at Ellington AFB. From USA Today.
66 posted on 09/09/2004 9:31:45 AM PDT by Darth Reagan (your lazy butts are in this too)
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To: Pikamax

ALL THE NEWS THAT'S FIT TO FAKE.


67 posted on 09/09/2004 11:10:42 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Pikamax

These media lies against Bush make me want to puke.


68 posted on 09/09/2004 11:12:23 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: Buckhead
You may have been instrumental in bringing down MSM organs NYT, The Globe, and even CBS (and particularly Dan Blather) by noticing the proportional spacing in the memo. If it is indeed a forgery (and with the superscript "th" adjacent to "187" in the first paragraph, I think it a certainty), may I offer my heartfelt congratulations to you?

America Thanks you.

69 posted on 09/09/2004 11:18:28 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: TheGeezer

Well, thanks, but it's premature. It's not 100% conclusive because the IBM Executive and IBM Selectric Composer would do proportional fonts. The Composer was almost certainly not used in this case - it was for typesetting for camera ready and was a monumental pain in the rear to use. The Executive is possible, but still not very likely, but that doesn't resolve the other circumstances indicating forgery. As this gets sifted through the day we will eventually come to find out the truth. There's thousands of people working on it now. It's pretty cool how its unfolded.


70 posted on 09/09/2004 11:29:20 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: Buckhead

It would interesting to look at other memos from this Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian from the same time period that are unrelated to Pres. Bush.

All documents from that timeframe should have the same properties....


71 posted on 09/09/2004 12:25:47 PM PDT by kphockey2
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To: Buckhead

On the site

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/007760.php

There is a copy of the docs that were faxed to the White House. They include the fax number for CBS... (Update 6)

1-212-975-1998

Sounds like fun....


72 posted on 09/09/2004 12:40:21 PM PDT by kphockey2
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To: Pikamax

Come on....

The Texas ANG used a PO Box for an address...

Did anyone notice the PO Box was 34567

5 DIGITS IN A ROW..... Yeah Right.....

Coincidence, my eye....

HELLO FORGERY.......


73 posted on 09/09/2004 12:42:46 PM PDT by Sonar5
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To: Buckhead

Tell us the truth-- you're really the Deep Throat in this operation.

: )


74 posted on 09/09/2004 1:49:31 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Buckhead
Well, thanks, but it's premature. It's not 100% conclusive because the IBM Executive and IBM Selectric Composer would do proportional fonts.

Your caution redounds to your credit as much as your keen eye.

I agree that the forgery case isn't yet completely closed, but CBS has a lot of explaining to do if it is to remain open. I expect them to retract the story soon, rather than attempt it.

When they do, please accept my sincere admiration and thanks.

75 posted on 09/09/2004 2:04:19 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist

The guy interviewed by ndcjournal.com and the effect of overlaying a brand new MS Word version with the CBS version kind of ice it IMHO.

They are screwed.

As for my part, this tsunami would, without any doubt whatsoever, have happened w/o me, so it ain't no big thang.

I will have a cold one tonight, though.


76 posted on 09/09/2004 2:10:36 PM PDT by Buckhead
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To: Buckhead

Awesome Buckhead, just awesome!


77 posted on 09/09/2004 2:49:28 PM PDT by Mensch (Is it me?)
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To: Pikamax

Forged! Who knew what and when????


78 posted on 09/09/2004 2:51:22 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Buckhead

Congratulations, kudos, and best regards to Freeper who made a real difference today!


79 posted on 09/09/2004 2:55:10 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Buckhead

Indeed! The raised "th" is a dead giveaway. This just wasn't possible on the typewriters of the day. Where's the letterhead? Military paper of the day was not 11" long... where's the tell-tale line at the bottom?


80 posted on 09/09/2004 3:12:39 PM PDT by ettwein (www.lietothepollsters.com - it's not just a website, it's an adventure!)
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To: Pikamax

bookmarking


81 posted on 09/09/2004 3:25:34 PM PDT by TheSarce
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To: Buckhead

The reply that's rocking the nation BUMP!


82 posted on 09/09/2004 3:27:35 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Buckhead
OH Rah Buckhead You are rady for your 15 minutes of Fame. What is your real name for the History books.

YOU TOOK DAN RATHER DOWN.
He must resign.

83 posted on 09/09/2004 4:22:17 PM PDT by jokar (On line data base http://www.trackingthethreat.com/db/index.htm)
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To: Buckhead

Applause.


84 posted on 09/09/2004 4:23:15 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: TheGeezer

Applause to you also.


85 posted on 09/09/2004 4:25:12 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Pikamax
. . . a once powerful Texas Democrat came forward to say that he had "abused my position of power" . . .

Abusing a position of power comes naturally to liberal Democrats.

86 posted on 09/09/2004 4:28:14 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (A busload of sweaty cheerleaders doesn't necessarily smell bad.)
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To: Bobibutu

as in the tagline.


87 posted on 09/09/2004 4:34:42 PM PDT by undercoveroperative (but he was speaker of the house then ...)
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To: Buckhead

Easy, Bumpsters. Read this, from a non-partisan source:
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/IBM-Executive-series-typewriter (a.k.a. http://tinyurl.com/5tb25 )

>>>The IBM Electric typewriters were a series of electric typewriters that IBM manufactured, starting in the late 1940s. They used the conventional moving carriage and hammer mechanism. Each model came in both Standard and Executive versions; the Executive differed in having a multiple escapement mechanism and four widths for letters, producing a near typeset quality result. [!!!]

One model of the series was introduced in the late 1940s:
IBM Model A Two models of the series were introduced in the 1950s:
IBM Model B
IBM Model C One model of the series was introduced in the early 1970s:
IBM Model D Modified Standard versions of the A, B, and C models were commonly used as "console typewriters" or terminals on many early computers (e.g., JOHNNIAC, IBM 1620, PDP-1). Following the introduction of the IBM Selectric typewriter in 1961, which was much easier to interface to a computer, these typewriters were rarely used anymore as "console typewriters" or terminals.
<<<

"Near typeset quality". I don't mean to rain on any Freeper's parade, and I'm happy to dump on Kerry's, but let's not make a stink about this until we know -- otherwise we lose credibility.


88 posted on 09/09/2004 5:56:15 PM PDT by AmJon
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To: Buckhead
As for my part, this tsunami would, without any doubt whatsoever, have happened w/o me, so it ain't no big thang.

At any rate, it was very observant of you to note this.

And I agree that it would have been no doubt caught by many.

That being said, I cannot help suspect CBS, and their so called experts that examined the articles/documents and then willy nilly aired them. It seems the forgeries were pretty amateur, yet their experts signed off on them?

Is their no protocol to substantiate something before it airs on national television? Hehe. Especially something that would predictably attract hordes with magnifying glasses and skepticism. It'll be interesting to see if CBS, to save face and to shift the blame, will be compelled to reveal their source. A source that appeared to make a complete fool of them, played them like a Texas fiddle.

89 posted on 09/09/2004 6:38:06 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Buckhead; All
Can I just say that if there were a FReeper of the hour award, I would nominate you for your brilliant post!!! Absolutely FANTASTIC, I say! I just grow more and more proud to be a FReeper b/c of FReepers like you!!! Bravo, FRiend!!
90 posted on 09/09/2004 7:15:22 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (John Kerry - I wanna I wanna I wanna I wanna I wanna I wanna I wanna I wanna I waaaaaaahhhhh)
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To: Stentor

Thank you, but why?


91 posted on 09/09/2004 7:28:00 PM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: Pikamax

Bookmarking!!!!


92 posted on 09/09/2004 7:42:53 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Buckhead

Bumping for first blood. FR was first in the world to post the likelihood of the Space Shuttle disaster, and no FT has scooped the world on Rathergate.


93 posted on 09/09/2004 7:45:36 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Buckhead

Congratulations. Thanks for the great job.


94 posted on 09/09/2004 9:18:15 PM PDT by Zechariah11
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To: Buckhead

Congrats on spotting that!
Bookmark for History.


95 posted on 09/09/2004 10:48:42 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee (This document has NOT been authenticated by SeeBS News, so it must be TRUE!)
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To: Buckhead

Kudos to you for getting the ball rolling!


96 posted on 09/09/2004 10:50:19 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: nutmeg

See post 47


97 posted on 09/09/2004 10:51:34 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: Pikamax

Anyone have a Times name and password? I wonder if they retracted this forged story, too.


98 posted on 09/09/2004 10:54:46 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Buckhead
Your comments about the suspicious fonts used on these papers CBS News got may have just finished off the candidacy of Senator Kerry in no time flat. This is the power of the New Media at its most awesome.
99 posted on 09/09/2004 10:58:41 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: Buckhead

You da man. Power to the people.


100 posted on 09/09/2004 11:01:35 PM PDT by Maynerd
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