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Libertarians: A Party Against America ("But really, what a bunch of sickos.")
The Wall Street Journal Opinion Journal ^ | September 8, 2004 | James Taranto 'Best of the Web'

Posted on 09/08/2004 8:53:21 PM PDT by quidnunc

This Saturday is Sept. 11, the third anniversary of, well, Sept. 11. A political organization holding a meeting that day urges its members to show up "wearing some clothing article colored black to mourn the deaths of the thousands of people who have died as a result of U.S. government policies."

That's right, this outfit thinks the anniversary of an attack on America is an appropriate day for a Blame America First-fest. Ah well, we've come to expect such things from moonbat Muslims and commie peaceniks. There's no point in getting upset.

Only this group of ideological extremists consists neither of Islamists nor commies. It's the Libertarian Party and its "presidential candidate," Michael Badnarik. They are, of course, perfectly entitled to exercise their right to freedom of speech. But really, what a bunch of sickos.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiamerican; badnarik; constitution; constitutionally; jamestaranto; libertarianparty; libertarians; loosertarians; unconstitutional
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1 posted on 09/08/2004 8:53:21 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

I used to fancy myself a liberatrian, but "no mas, amigo!"


2 posted on 09/08/2004 8:56:15 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: quidnunc

Losertarians.


3 posted on 09/08/2004 8:56:39 PM PDT by Drango (Wow is wow spelt backwards.)
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To: quidnunc

How long will it take their meeting to bring up history's real tragedy...the War on Drugs??!!!


4 posted on 09/08/2004 8:57:10 PM PDT by Deb (Lee Harvey Oswald Served With Honor.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
I used to fancy myself a liberatrian, but "no mas, amigo!"

I still do, but thanks to the whackjobs running the LP I must constantly emphasize the lack of capitalization.

5 posted on 09/08/2004 9:00:22 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: FormerACLUmember

Well, there is nothing wrong with being a libertarian. There is, however, something very wrong with being a member of the "Libertarian" Party.


6 posted on 09/08/2004 9:00:28 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (There is no safety for honest men but by believing all possible evil of evil men. --Burke)
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To: FormerACLUmember

"I used to fancy myself a liberatrian, but "no mas, amigo!"

Same here. I'm just glad that the libertarians I liked in the first place, Neal Boortz and Larry Elder, are on our side...


7 posted on 09/08/2004 9:01:37 PM PDT by Dustin Hawkins (You have been termeeeenated)
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To: Deb
Deb wrote: How long will it take their meeting to bring up history's real tragedy...the War on Drugs??!!!

It's scheduled right after their first snack break of Slim Jims and Ho Hos

8 posted on 09/08/2004 9:01:50 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: swilhelm73

LOL. Or a dyslexic librarian.


9 posted on 09/08/2004 9:03:05 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: FormerACLUmember

These guys are not true libertarians. That is, if they truly supported liberty, they would support the war on Islamic terrorism because they would understand that the greatest threat to liberty today is radical Islam. Those killed by Islamists have no liberty, and neither will the living if we go soft on radical Islam.

Islamists' stated goal is complete world domination, the unification of all nations under a totalitarian Islamic theocracy.

The reason libertarians don't support the war on terrorism is that the same arrogrance, short-sightedness, and pseudo-intellectual bed-wetting that has invaded the Democratic Party has also taken control of the Libertarian Party.


10 posted on 09/08/2004 9:04:12 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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To: FormerACLUmember

I am a libertarian. And I am certainly not a Libertarian. The party has gone to pot. Literally.


11 posted on 09/08/2004 9:04:32 PM PDT by blanknoone (Republicans need to acknowledge that campaign finance reform failed and start setting up 527s.)
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To: ThinkDifferent

I'm a Drew Carey Libertarian.


12 posted on 09/08/2004 9:04:39 PM PDT by Maurice Tift
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To: swilhelm73

Sadly though, if you look at www.Cato.org on the terror war, there are some small l's that aren't completely reality based. I say this after years of absolutely swearing by Cato's positions.


13 posted on 09/08/2004 9:04:53 PM PDT by FredZarguna (I'm FredZarguna, Founder and President of Fathers United to Counter Kerry.)
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To: Dustin Hawkins

I thought one of the legitimate libertarian approved functions of government was homeland security. Not for this crew. Buh-bye.


14 posted on 09/08/2004 9:05:05 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: quidnunc

Oh, the HUMANITY!!!


15 posted on 09/08/2004 9:06:20 PM PDT by Deb (Lee Harvey Oswald Served With Honor.)
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To: quidnunc
The LPers here are free to defend this, and there's already a response to the original announcement (Show them it's not in your name), on the Badnarik campaign's blog here.

I'm not interested in the LP candidate, so I'm ignorant how effective the response is. I just throw it out for others if they want ot look at it.
16 posted on 09/08/2004 9:08:20 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney too.)
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To: quidnunc

I use to be a libertarian. This kind of nonsense isn't going to bring me back, that's for sure. As long as there are infidels in the world the true Islamic believers are going to try and kill or convert them. The one's who say they are Moslem but don't kill for Allah are not following the tenants of their evil religion.


17 posted on 09/08/2004 9:09:09 PM PDT by Nateman (Islam and any other kind of socialism, is evil.)
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To: blanknoone

Yeah, if we only allowed heroin to be sold in kindergarden, all would be well with the republic. Sorry guys, ya lost me.


18 posted on 09/08/2004 9:11:04 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: blanknoone

For a noble moment it seemed to have some promise. But the last year they just seemed to become liberals again. I can barely read them any more. Seems like they went back to being liberals all the way. The only good stuff these days is the good stuff. Conservatism. There is just nothing else out there right now. You don't attack your country when your country is being attacked. I guess the war destroyed the libertarian movement.


19 posted on 09/08/2004 9:15:23 PM PDT by OHIOforBUSH
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To: quidnunc
LOSERTARIAN ALERT!
20 posted on 09/08/2004 9:20:31 PM PDT by datura (Democrat=Communist=America's Enemy Within)
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To: quidnunc

Being a libertarian for the most part myself, I readily admit that the libertarian philosophy is always going to have holes when it comes public goods.

National Defense, as well as other public goods, can never be truly resolved by libertarian philosophy, with its instinct to simply privatize everything. But somethings can't be privatized, and the libertarin position on those issues are always going to be inadequate in dealing with such subjects.


21 posted on 09/08/2004 9:25:05 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: blanknoone

oh how excellent!! Love your literalism...


22 posted on 09/08/2004 9:25:36 PM PDT by scoastie
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To: quidnunc

Flippin' morons...

The left is very welcome to them.


23 posted on 09/08/2004 9:29:47 PM PDT by Tamzee (The NYT.... All the news that pink to print)
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To: FormerACLUmember
"I used to fancy myself a liberatrian, but "no mas, amigo!"

Me to I even joined the party.. Very sad reality check.

24 posted on 09/08/2004 9:31:47 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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To: Truthsearcher
Privatised military, eh? I am itching to buy a surplus MiG-21 on e-bay and conduct my CAP around the city. I am sure that I have a second amendment right to posses a fully-functional fighter...
25 posted on 09/08/2004 9:36:09 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Kerry lied while people died)
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To: Army Air Corps

Yeah, but what's to stop a private army from imposing its own martial law? That's why privatize army can't work.


26 posted on 09/08/2004 9:41:51 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: everyone

The Libertarian Party continues to disgrace itself ...

If they were serious about their purported principles,
they would demonstrate against the bloated federal
government, not whore after the liberal media by
playing liberal, as here.


27 posted on 09/08/2004 9:45:31 PM PDT by California Patriot (California Patriot)
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To: ThinkDifferent
I still do, but thanks to the whackjobs running the LP I must constantly emphasize the lack of capitalization.

For Libertarians who don't follow the blame-America foreign policy plank that Badnarik espouses, I suggest as an alternative Larry Elder, Los Angeles talk show host. We're throwing our vote away anyway, so go for the write-in.

My response to Badnarik is this: if gratuitous American intervention overseas causes terrorism, then why don't all the terrorists come from Latin America and the Caribbean? Our "intervention" in the Middle East has mainly taken the form of giving them trillions of dollars for their oil. It seems that giving Arabs too much money has had the same deleterious effects as giving our CEOs too much money.

28 posted on 09/08/2004 9:47:56 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Truthsearcher

I know. I had my tongue planted in my cheek, mate. I have never run across libertarians who did advocate a privatised military. I have come across those who think that the military should be overseen and funded by the national government, but organised in the states - basically making the Guard take-on the overwhelming majority of the defense duties. Personally, I do not think that such a scheme works well in the modern world.

That said, I am curious about the waiting period on an F-16...


29 posted on 09/08/2004 9:48:31 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Kerry lied while people died)
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To: Army Air Corps

Back in the 1970s, I used to imagine the LP's second amendment group: the Emergency Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Tactical Nuclear Weapons. 'If they've got 'em, we need 'em too.'


30 posted on 09/08/2004 9:49:03 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney too.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Thank you for seeing the error of your ways! :-)


31 posted on 09/08/2004 9:49:38 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Deb

Two and 1/2 minutes.


32 posted on 09/08/2004 9:50:12 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Mike Fieschko

LOL! I can see it now...

"No, kids, daddy is not digging a pit for a swimming pool; that hole is for the Minuteman II silo."


33 posted on 09/08/2004 9:52:30 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Kerry lied while people died)
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To: OHIOforBUSH

I think the Libertarian party still has promise. But at the current time it is not being fulfilled, it remains a promise. I think its fundamental problem is that it abandoned the philosophy upon which its political philosophy is built. That split allowed it to be dragged into the superficial gutter by interest groups like pot heads and motorcycle helmet laws rather than addressing principles.

I still see the promise of the Libertarian party. But I do not yet see the promise of that promise being fulfilled.

For the record here is what I mean about the philosophy underpinning the political philosophy: Political philsophy deals with the proper role of government and the morality of societal interpersonal interactions. As such, it is an extension of ethics/morality, which is itself an extension of metaphysics and epistemology.

The philosophy underpinning the political philosophy is as follows:
Liberals (Control Democrat Party): Kantian roots, Socialist philosophy
Conservatives (Republican Party): Religious roots, specifically Judeo Christian. Religious conception of morality rather than philosophical (religion and philosophy answer the same questions)
Libertarian (controls nothing): Enlightenment Era philosophy....the same as what this country was founded on.

If you go back further, the philsophy can be seen as a duel between Plato (liberals/socialists) and Aristotle (libertarians).


34 posted on 09/08/2004 9:52:36 PM PDT by blanknoone (Republicans need to acknowledge that campaign finance reform failed and start setting up 527s.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Just remember, if we're going to use that interpretation then the guy next door as the right to anti-aircraft, and while you're tooling around the skies, his drug adled teenager and his drug adled friends are shooting at you for kicks.


35 posted on 09/08/2004 9:53:34 PM PDT by Melas
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To: California Patriot

They are not now,nor have they EVER been "serious".


36 posted on 09/08/2004 9:54:04 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Deb

That is scheduled right after their hooker break.


37 posted on 09/08/2004 9:55:25 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: quidnunc

I have to wholeheartidly concur...


38 posted on 09/08/2004 9:56:55 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Melas

Yup, but they are too stoned to operate the flak batteries. ;-)

I am just delving into a bit of cheeky humour to make light of this unfortunate situation. There was a time when the Libertarian Party had some solid core principles. Now, they have just gone over the cliff.


39 posted on 09/08/2004 9:57:25 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Kerry lied while people died)
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To: Thane_Banquo

BTTT


40 posted on 09/08/2004 9:57:48 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Nateman

BTTT


41 posted on 09/08/2004 9:59:04 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: quidnunc

I have never voted for a Libertarian, I am going to on Nov. 7, the one running against McCain.


42 posted on 09/08/2004 9:59:14 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: swilhelm73
. . . apart from their cruel moral-liberalism, moral-cowardice, ideologically-addled mindset, and their doomed-to-failure humanist schemes.
43 posted on 09/08/2004 10:03:08 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: CWOJackson

Yo, dude. Over here.


44 posted on 09/08/2004 10:04:38 PM PDT by Petronski (With what? Spitballs!?!)
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To: Cultural Jihad

C'mon C J, how do you *really* feel?


45 posted on 09/08/2004 10:05:03 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: quidnunc

I find myself using the terminology that I've heard Professor Walter Williams use...

"Jeffersonian Liberal."

That pretty much works for me. The actual Libertarian Party has gone around the bend. For the most part, I agree with many of the tennants, but the party really does look like a bunch of "Whack Jobs."

I share many of the same ideals as Walter Williams and Neal Boortz.

Mark


46 posted on 09/08/2004 10:05:46 PM PDT by MarkL (Dude!!! You're farting fire!!!!)
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To: Petronski

LOL!!! ROFLOL!!!!


47 posted on 09/08/2004 10:07:29 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: MarkL

No one mentioned Congressman Ron Paul yet?


48 posted on 09/08/2004 10:08:24 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Bob J

Hoping for video.


49 posted on 09/08/2004 10:12:42 PM PDT by Deb (Lee Harvey Oswald Served With Honor.)
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To: ApesForEvolution

The ineffectual RINO? LOL


50 posted on 09/08/2004 10:15:07 PM PDT by nopardons
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