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THE "New" CBS BUSH DOCUMENTS: Let's do some investigating
www.freerepublic.com | September 9, 2004

Posted on 09/08/2004 9:16:02 PM PDT by Howlin

These are the NEW documents "discovered" by CBS with conjunction with their Ben Barnes expose/confessional tonight regarding George Bush's National Guard service.

They've gotten some interesting comments on the Live Thread, so I thought I'd give them their own thread so you people out there with the knowledge can dissect them for their accuracy/truth/existence.


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To: Mo1
Yea I thought that one was pretty odd

Not only odd it makes the author derelict in his duty for NOT sending his concerns up the chain. I don't believe any commanding officer is going to do that for a shave tail LT.

161 posted on 09/08/2004 10:39:07 PM PDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
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To: ImphClinton
"Another thing the title on the top would have been preprinted. This does not appear to be preprinted. Since it is in a larger font it would have been impossible to type with any typewriter available at the time. This is a definite forgery. No wonder these records didn't show up when Bush asked for all his records. Heads should roll on this one and no reporter's informant confidentiality should be allowed."

Not to be a wet blanket, but even if proven beyond a doubt to be fakes, do you think many people beyond this forum will ever hear about it? Even if Rush and Hannity pick it up, if the MSM and all the Dem pundits poo-poo it as right-wing-whacko-conspiracy stuff the way they successfully innoculated Clinton to all criticism???

For all we know CBS knows the docs are fakes and is in on it, so they certainly would stonewall exposing their acts. But I'll have this matter on my mind when I pray "God's will be done" tonight.

162 posted on 09/08/2004 10:39:08 PM PDT by intolerancewillNOTbetolerated (Misunderestimated Again Bush/Cheney '04)
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To: rolling_stone
Drills are on weekends, normally.
163 posted on 09/08/2004 10:39:36 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: M1911A1
Why does the memo show up in the man's papers, if they are part of an official file?

Also keep in mind, this man has been dead for 20 years

164 posted on 09/08/2004 10:40:00 PM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: Wild_Bill_8881
and all the first letter did was tell him to show up at the unit admin within 10 days to set up a physical

He was told to report to the 111 FIS commander to conduct a physical NLT 14 May 1972. It was signed by the commander. Does the commander do his own typing and refer to himself as a third person?

165 posted on 09/08/2004 10:40:32 PM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: Howlin
Re: the Rather Interview with Ben Barnes -

No mention that Barnes is a $500,000 fund raiser for the Kerry campaign (CBSNews - June 18, 2004)

No mention that "In its report, the Los Angeles Times said it found no evidence that either Bush or his father, former President George Bush, had personally tried to influence or pressure anyone to get the younger Bush a place in the Texas Guard" CNN - July 1999)

No mention that Barnes lawyer made the following statement in 1999:

"Mr. Barnes was contacted by Sid Adger and asked to recommend George W. Bush for a pilot position with the Air National Guard. Barnes called Gen. (James) Rose (Texas Air Guard commander) and did so,"

"Neither Congressman Bush nor any other member of the Bush family asked Barnes' help. Barnes has no knowledge that Governor Bush or President Bush knew of Barnes' recommendation,"

Barnes also said he met in September 1998 with Donald L. Evans, a longtime friend and chief fund-raiser for Governor Bush. Barnes told Evans about Adger's request, and "Governor Bush wrote Barnes a note thanking him for his candor in acknowledging that Barnes received no call from any member of the Bush family."
AP - Sept 27, 2004

166 posted on 09/08/2004 10:40:50 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Gator113

NO!

Microfilm is a "hard copy" - literally a photograph of the orignalpage.

o, to "print" the microfilm copy, you are only "printing" a photograph (an exact image) of the original.

There is no way to change fonts from the original to the copy.

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By the way, WHY DID Secretary Lehman sign John Kerry's Silver and Bronze Star citations - 15 years after the Vietnam War ended?


167 posted on 09/08/2004 10:41:39 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Steven W.

I understand perfectly.

It's just so interesting to me.


168 posted on 09/08/2004 10:41:40 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: rolling_stone

LOL- trust me, a Light Colonel did not type the memo himself.


169 posted on 09/08/2004 10:41:54 PM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: bobo1

Could your typewriter type superscripts?


170 posted on 09/08/2004 10:42:09 PM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: M1911A1

Drills are on weekends, normally.

the rest of the memos are not written on weekends...did the Commander work 6 or 7 days a week?


171 posted on 09/08/2004 10:42:17 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Texasforever

Well actually some people did, I broke my legg in 1975, long story involing a cow and a parachute, but I won't go there

I had to hang around and answer phones in the Air Force squadron offices while I healed. Did a little desk snooping too. Belive me EVERYBODY had this manila folders in the back of their desk drawers with CYA files. Not official, no letterheads, no other copies routed anywhere, usualy dated but not signed....just for personal use

Wasn't leagal, Air Force had a huge stink about it sometime in the 1980's, but everybody from first line supervisors up through commanders had them


172 posted on 09/08/2004 10:42:46 PM PDT by Wild_Bill_8881
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To: Mike Darancette

Zip codes change through the years, but good point nonetheless. I was referring to the squadron address. There must be some 1972 source that can tell whether the mailing address of that unit was PO Box 34567.


173 posted on 09/08/2004 10:44:40 PM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Microfilm is a "hard copy" - literally a photograph of the orignal page

Your are correct .. I use to do microfilm back in the 80's after I graduated from high school ... I hated that job too *L*

174 posted on 09/08/2004 10:44:57 PM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: Howlin
"A well-cared for IBM Stand Alone Composer, instruction and repair manuls, and 32 type balls (a different one for each font and point size) has been located in the possession of catherine yronwode of Forestville, California. Negotiations for purchase are undwerway and the search is on for a repair person who can fix the machine's steel "drive band," which broke one week before Ms. yronwode bought her first copy of Quark Xpress (version 1.1) in the1980s."

You are unbelievable. I can only stand (ok, sit) in awe.

175 posted on 09/08/2004 10:45:03 PM PDT by intolerancewillNOTbetolerated (Misunderestimated Again Bush/Cheney '04)
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To: Mo1

Kind of reminds me of the Doomsday Machine in Dr. Strangelove: doesn't do any good if no one else knows about it!


176 posted on 09/08/2004 10:45:59 PM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: Mike Darancette
Yahoo maps shows that zip-code for 5000 Longmont Dr., Houston, TX is 77056 not 77027 as addressed in memo #1.

It could of been back in the 70's though -- now that would of been a good tip off that they were fake if the zip code changed and the memo didn't have the correct one for that year.
177 posted on 09/08/2004 10:46:00 PM PDT by lelio
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To: rolling_stone
Could be, if he was on active duty as an Inspector Instructor to the reserve unit, or a reservist on Temporary Active Duty, or an Active Reservist.

Those are all USMC terms, the Air Force back then probably had different names for the same things.

Maybe he typed, or had these memos typed, at home or his civilian office while taking care of reserve business on his own time?
178 posted on 09/08/2004 10:46:46 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: rolling_stone

I am not an expert, but doesn't a lot of ANG business go on on weekends?


179 posted on 09/08/2004 10:47:07 PM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: Steven W.
"May I suggest something?
Don't waste your time!"

Hark, a voice of sanity amongst a chorus of babbling. Good post.

180 posted on 09/08/2004 10:47:43 PM PDT by Rokke
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