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THE "New" CBS BUSH DOCUMENTS: Let's do some investigating
www.freerepublic.com | September 9, 2004

Posted on 09/08/2004 9:16:02 PM PDT by Howlin

These are the NEW documents "discovered" by CBS with conjunction with their Ben Barnes expose/confessional tonight regarding George Bush's National Guard service.

They've gotten some interesting comments on the Live Thread, so I thought I'd give them their own thread so you people out there with the knowledge can dissect them for their accuracy/truth/existence.


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KEYWORDS: 2004; alabama; barnes; bush; cbs; danrather; dubya; edwards; election; gwb; kerry; killian; ltbush; memogate; napalminthemorning; rather; rathergate; texas
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To: leftcoaster

Look at Bush's real records - They're ALL individually typed, NONE in this format, font, or style.


341 posted on 09/09/2004 7:03:54 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Buckhead

Then Fox should have these excellent points brought to their attention. They'd probably look into it some more, and if found to be true, once again reveal 60 lying minutes as the demonrats they truly are!


342 posted on 09/09/2004 7:04:20 AM PDT by marway (JF'nK, show us your records now!)
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To: leftcoaster

OK, now you've got me all excited!


343 posted on 09/09/2004 7:05:56 AM PDT by marway (JF'nK, show us your records now!)
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To: MizSterious

Also confused in OK.


344 posted on 09/09/2004 7:09:28 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Carolinamom

Wonder who Kerry's pal is at the pentagon. Or maybe its was from Hillary's secret files. It really doesn't matter. Bush was honorably discharged.


345 posted on 09/09/2004 7:12:42 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: cyncooper

Just where is the story in all this? Sounds like Bush was doing the right thing.


346 posted on 09/09/2004 7:17:16 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: comebacknewt

don't sweat it. I think the Dems have over-reached, again. Karl Rove sent them snarling to fill this week and next with whatever slime they could come up with. I mean it's laughable that Estrich lays out in her memo what the strategy is going to be.
Bottom line and I think you can see it in the state polls starting to come in. Nothing from 35 or 25 or 10 years ago on a personal level is going to trump kids being shot in the back and stabbed at their school.
It's clear in the minds of the voters in every poll that Bush pounds Kerry on national security and terrorism.
Kerry doesn't have a national platform left to move those numbers except for maybe 20 minutes at the debates.
The Dems chose to dance around today's security issues except for memorable lines like "every attack will be met with a swift reponse" and "we will hunt you down and kill you" and instead filled their convention with a week of celebrating a war they hated in '92.


347 posted on 09/09/2004 7:18:04 AM PDT by WoodstockCat
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Sorry if this is repeat..

On FNC this morning a Democrat strategist acknowledged that the issue was b in large irrelevant to the next four years, etc. He also very specifically said: "Bush was honorably discharged and Kerry served admirably."

The weak spot for Kerry is the unknown state of his discharge. If the truth could ever be known, I would guess he was dishonorably discharged for negotiating with the enemy and slandering his comrades.

Sign the 180.


348 posted on 09/09/2004 7:21:34 AM PDT by IamConservative (A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.)
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To: Howlin; Devil_Anse

This needs some detective eyes!


349 posted on 09/09/2004 7:28:22 AM PDT by landerwy
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To: Southack
The question I have is the superscript. Were they actually available in 1972 for the fonts you show? And what is the source for the fonts you show? I don't recall any of the selectrics having the special superscript fonts when I was writing college papers (on the department secretary's machine after hours) and had to use equations (e.g. x2). So I am very suspicious of the use of 111th in one of the memos. Could that be the smoking gun that shows they are false?
350 posted on 09/09/2004 7:30:53 AM PDT by CedarDave (USCG Vietnam vet to DC from NM on 9/12 for the "Kerry Lied...While Good Men Died" rally. Join us!)
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To: NYCVirago; All
Mrs. Steveo used to underwrite mortgage loans. When a loan officer wanted to overstate income they would alter pay stubs and photocopy multiple times to generate copy noise and hide the alterations. It never worked because they never went through the trouble of checking the noise for randomness.

If you examine the 04 May 1972 and the 18 August 1973 you'll see enough similarities in the noise background to question their authenticity.

351 posted on 09/09/2004 7:31:30 AM PDT by steveo (Member: Fathers Against Rude Television)
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To: Howlin
A spokeswoman for "60 Minutes," Kelli Edwards, declined to say exactly how the new documents were obtained other than that CBS News understood they had been taken from Killian's "personal office file."

Morning Howlin! Did you stay up all night?

If CBS got these from an undisclosed source there may well be more that they are holding back for later. Even if they are forgeries, the drip, drip, drip, from a thousand small cuts does not do us any good.

(Where are the Swifties when we need them?)

352 posted on 09/09/2004 7:38:13 AM PDT by CedarDave (USCG Vietnam vet to DC from NM on 9/12 for the "Kerry Lied...While Good Men Died" rally. Join us!)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Yep, you are absolutely correct

not one of those four documents would have been kept in anyone's official Personal file

at the most they would have been in a squadron PIF...Personal Information File at the unit's orderly room and should have been pulled and given to the service member when he transfered or separated

and the memos and CYA would have been stuck in a back file or desk drawer of the commanders desk, which wasn't exactly kosher but done by most commanders and supervisors
353 posted on 09/09/2004 7:39:56 AM PDT by Wild_Bill_8881 (If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with BS)
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To: intolerancewillNOTbetolerated

Yes they will hear. First of all FNN is the primary method of getting news. Secondly Rush is a close second. Thirdly It will dome up in the debates. Fourthly the Swift Boats sure got their message out and this has great legs.


354 posted on 09/09/2004 7:43:04 AM PDT by ImphClinton
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To: eno_

FYI.


355 posted on 09/09/2004 7:46:43 AM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: CedarDave
If CBS got these from an undisclosed source there may well be more that they are holding back for later.

For all we know -- since they didn't produce their source -- there could be others that are favorable to Bush.

356 posted on 09/09/2004 7:50:01 AM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: CedarDave

No, they did NOT have that key: A few had fractions (1/2, 1/3)...

BUT look at the "real" records from that timeframe from that squadron from that office on that airbase: ALL of the "real" records use "111th F.I.S." as a designation.

NONE use any superscripted fonts. NONE use proportional fonts.


357 posted on 09/09/2004 7:54:37 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: fuzzy122

Yeah, I know it's a "bad" site and said that when first posting it but there were some helpful documents posted there.


358 posted on 09/09/2004 7:59:01 AM PDT by Dolphy (Support swiftvets.com)
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To: Howlin

Compare the memos typefaces to the other 'official' documents. The forms are all typed in all upper case monospace fonts. Very typical for the time.

The new docs are obvious frauds.


359 posted on 09/09/2004 7:59:30 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: nonkultur

You should compare the J and K to another memo with the real Killian's signature...

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc27.gif


360 posted on 09/09/2004 7:59:30 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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